Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[UNCNYC]

I think Lamb has been overpaid. He is too raw and not a player that plays within structure. I think cliff knew what he was doing by bringing him off the bench. I think what we see from him is as good as its going to get. I do think PJ will or can improve a bit. I like Lamb on this team but I think he is being overpaid by at least half of what hes getting... but at the same time for us we needed that extra punch...

Next year, it will be like a $4.9 million per year deal (if we look at it from the prism of the 2014-15 season) when looked at from the percentage of salary cap it takes up. The year after that, it will be even less.

Do you think that's too much?

No thats about right. I actually understand us taking the gamble on him tho. I like Lamb because he does have the potential to give us points in any given game. he is probably not the long term solution that he was sorta hyped to be tho.

[TTNN]

Makes sense, didn't realize they were different. Honestly I kind of like BK Ref's net rating formulation better, since pure +/- is obviously flawed due to improper attribution. Like you said, I like the idea of tying net rating to production.

I think Lamb's defense has improved a bit (pure eyeball test), but I don't think one can look at his terrible offensive efficiency and lack of creating offense for others and say he's been a major net positive on offense lately. Totally agree with your final sentence, that seems to be the situation.

With that said, it's just six games and it's been against elite defenses (except for MEM, they're pretty average), so I'm not all that worried about it. Given how hot he was to kick off the season I'm sure that got some attention from opposing coaches as well, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is a part of game plans of teams we face. My biggest issue is his insistence on going into iso situations, think he needs to move the ball more.

The NBA.com rating were team rating, basically for 100 possession when he is on the floor, how the team performed. Thus it is positive netrating.

The Basketball-reference rating is individual rating, it calculate based on 100 possession for each player had, how much offense it end up with, thus no surprising it is not good when he was shooting not good.

I think either way is useful depends on what you are really looking for.

[KDATX]

Lamb is our 2 guard. Lets get this rotation together. Move Al, put Batum at 4.

[Elden Payton]

I think Lamb will be inconsistent for a fair while yet.

He's not exactly had the PT and consistency that many young players get.

If he's still so up and down next season, then I'll believe he's best suited off the bench (for his career) but I think he just needs time to fulfil his potential.

[DY_nasty]

When he's not on fire, he's rarely doing anything well though. That's my thing. He hasn't any improvement in that regard... ever, either. Even back in OKC.

I hope he picks it up, but there is no excuse to be as bad as he is defensively night in and night out. He just rolls over on D.

[bws94]

I think he needs to get going and the coaching staff needs to figure out how to do so. He's an essential part of bench force one, the first scoring option. He needs to get his minutes back right, only 15 minutes in an OT game isn't enough. He had a nice game against the Magic but he hasn't had the impact games he's been having earlier in the season lately.

[TinmanZBoy]

When he's not on fire, he's rarely doing anything well though. That's my thing. He hasn't any improvement in that regard... ever, either. Even back in OKC.

I hope he picks it up, but there is no excuse to be as bad as he is defensively night in and night out. He just rolls over on D.

I like his rebounding ability though...

[DY_nasty]

When he's not on fire, he's rarely doing anything well though. That's my thing. He hasn't any improvement in that regard... ever, either. Even back in OKC.

I hope he picks it up, but there is no excuse to be as bad as he is defensively night in and night out. He just rolls over on D.

I like his rebounding ability though...

guards getting defensive rebounds is pretty much pointless

especially when it leads to him taking a healthy trot up the floor instead of attacking a defense that's not set

[TTNN]

When he's not on fire, he's rarely doing anything well though. That's my thing. He hasn't any improvement in that regard... ever, either. Even back in OKC.

I hope he picks it up, but there is no excuse to be as bad as he is defensively night in and night out. He just rolls over on D.

I like his rebounding ability though...

guards getting defensive rebounds is pretty much pointless

especially when it leads to him taking a healthy trot up the floor instead of attacking a defense that's not set

yeah, I don't like him walk up with the ball either. He should try to leak out and look for transition opportunity, let Lin give him a long pass.

[RevolDas]

He is always gonna be streaky on scoring I'm afriad, that's just who he is, a spark off the bench, sometimes works but sometimes doesn't. One thing I think he should be able to improve on is the defense, that way even when his shots are not falling he can still contribute to the team. Unlike offense, defense is where you can improve upon as long as you put your effort into.

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[bws94]

He just needs to get his rhythm offensively. His shooting groove will come back as well. Defensively, needs to do a lot of work in the off-season.

[phillycheese]

Lamb's one of those players whose body language is deceiving. He's so smooth that it looks like he's not trying. He takes a long stride covers a lot of ground but it looks like he's loafing. Motor needs some work, especially on the defensive end. Wing defenders are so important in today's game, with all the schemes and such. Lamb just needs to be coached more, as he's never been a rotation player on any team except this year. I hope he gets there.

[steady]

Lamb's one of those players whose body language is deceiving. He's so smooth that it looks like he's not trying. He takes a long stride covers a lot of ground but it looks like he's loafing. Motor needs some work, especially on the defensive end. Wing defenders are so important in today's game, with all the schemes and such. Lamb just needs to be coached more, as he's never been a rotation player on any team except this year. I hope he gets there.

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Didn't Clifford say Lamb arrived in Charlotte 3 weeks after the trade and he never left. He was in the gym all summer, working with coaching staff. The guy cares and is intense in his own way.

[bigbob]

hopefully cliff plays him alot tonight. If kemba playing terrible again, sub him out and put in lamb. If lin/batuum then do the same thing. Damn it cliff, get the kembastick out of ur rear and do ur damn job!!

[Braggins]

Is it possible that his defensive issues could be somewhat masked by placing him in the starting lineup? I know that sounds a bit counter intuitive, but since we are no longer starting Al we have a nice defensive core with Kemba, Batum, Marv, and Cody, but our offense seems to be struggling. Starting Lamb would take some of the offensive pressure of Batum, which would allow him to focus more on defense. Batum could check the best offensive wing and not have to worry about having the offense run through him as much.

Placing Lamb in the starting lineup would also force him to play off the ball more and score more on spot ups and catch and shoot situations after coming off a screen. It could kind of save him from himself by preventing him from going one on one and handling the ball too much since Kemba and Batum handle the ball so much in the first unit. I think this could have a positive effect on his efficiency, which has been seeing a decline in the last month.

I'm pretty confident that if Lamb was getting the looks that PJ is getting with the starting unit that he would be much more efficient and our offense would be a lot harder to defend. I'm not sure that we would even see that much of a drop off on defense with Batum taking on the role of our go to wing defender. I feel like if we can hide Al on defense then we should easily be able to hide Lamb.

I know a lot of people are getting hard ons for PJ because for the first time in his career he strung together a handful of games where he wasn't one of the most inefficient players in the league, but lets face it, the dude is terrible and not an NBA rotation player. Even after his "good" month he is shooting 34% from the field and 31% from deep with a 7.0 PER.

[yosemiteben]

I know a lot of people are getting hard ons for PJ because for the first time in his career he strung together a handful of games where he wasn't one of the most inefficient players in the league, but lets face it, the dude is terrible and not an NBA rotation player.

You said the same thing about Hawes. I think you throw that around way too easily.

You can't complain about our lack of player development, then at the same time bash a young second year player who we have worked very hard to develop and who is starting to show some consistency.

[Braggins]

I know a lot of people are getting hard ons for PJ because for the first time in his career he strung together a handful of games where he wasn't one of the most inefficient players in the league, but lets face it, the dude is terrible and not an NBA rotation player.

You said the same thing about Hawes. I think you throw that around way too easily.

You can't complain about our lack of player development, then at the same time bash a young second year player who we have worked very hard to develop and who is starting to show some consistency.

PJ has a career PER of 8.2 and TS% of 45.5 (33%fg/30%3pt). Hawes was at least good for a couple of full seasons and has shown that he has the capability of being an NBA rotation player and it only took him a month or two to get his stuff together. I actually expected a lot from Hawes coming into this season and actually made some posts this summer about him potentially being a better starting center option than Al. I admit that I overreacted to his early season suckiness. I was mostly concerned with the fact that he seemed unwilling to shoot 3s and was a turnover machine, which was kind of shocking since he was supposed to be a stretch big with high IQ and good passing.

I really don't know what any of the PJ supporters are banking on that makes them see a solid NBA player in him. His career best month brought his fg% up to a super impressive 34%. I don't really know what could possibly make you be disappointed in a player if PJ's season so far is giving you hope.

As per usual when I disagree with you, I really hope you are right. However, at what point are you willing to say enough is enough with PJ? Are you going to be happy with him if after another "good" month he raises his fg% to 36%?

[yosemiteben]

However, at what point are you willing to say enough is enough with PJ? Are you going to be happy with him if after another "good" month he raises his fg% to 36%?

If he shoots 38-40% from three over the next month and maintains his solid defensive play, I'll be very happy.

I don't care at all about his career FG% or his overall FG% this season. All I want is for him to play solid D and to be a legitimate threat from the perimeter, and he's done both very well recently. It just feels like you're a few weeks late if you want to make the argument that there's no way he'll ever be a rotation worthy player.

[uballer]

However, at what point are you willing to say enough is enough with PJ? Are you going to be happy with him if after another "good" month he raises his fg% to 36%?

If he shoots 38-40% from three over the next month and maintains his solid defensive play, I'll be very happy.

I don't care at all about his career FG% or his overall FG% this season. All I want is for him to play solid D and to be a legitimate threat from the perimeter, and he's done both very well recently. It just feels like you're a few weeks late if you want to make the argument that there's no way he'll ever be a rotation worthy player.

Agree. PJ at least has played solid D. But, Lam's D was not very good.

[uballer]

However, at what point are you willing to say enough is enough with PJ? Are you going to be happy with him if after another "good" month he raises his fg% to 36%?

If he shoots 38-40% from three over the next month and maintains his solid defensive play, I'll be very happy.

I don't care at all about his career FG% or his overall FG% this season. All I want is for him to play solid D and to be a legitimate threat from the perimeter, and he's done both very well recently. It just feels like you're a few weeks late if you want to make the argument that there's no way he'll ever be a rotation worthy player.

Agree. PJ at least has played solid D. But, Lam's D was not very good.

Sorry, I meant Lamb.