Official Draft Thread 2015-16

Edug27 · Post #641 » by **Edug27** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:44 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:my only concern with Ingram is that he doesn't seem to move as smooth and fluid for his size as KD does. He seems a bit awkward. But I still like him as the guy Boston gets in the draft.

so u mean he's our next Paul Pierce?

Pierce is awkward? He's slow and smooth. Not really awkward.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #642 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:42 pm

Not a good draft for Centers in 2017. Unless Mickey can play Center regularly(not likely) it'll have to be addressed soon.

Patsfan1081 · Post #643 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:20 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:Not a good draft for Centers in 2017. Unless Mickey can play Center regularly(not likely) it'll have to be addressed soon.

The play of Skal has been a huge disappointment this year, but I wouldn't mind Poeltl with the Nets pick. Stone, Zimmerman, and Qi might be worth a late first round gamble.

Patsfan1081 · Post #644 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:32 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:Who would you guys want to draft if the Nets start winning some meaningless games at the end of the season, while other teams who have their own picks go full tank mode.

Let's say the pick ends up as the 5th-7th pick and your own and Dallas' picks ends up between 16-20.

What would you consider a decent choice after guys like Simmons, Brown, Ingram and two of Dunn/Bender/Skal/Poeltl are gone. Use the other picks to trade up? Draft bpa?

Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Bender, Ellison,Brown, Poeltl ,Dunn, Skal, Rabb is my prediction for the top ten picks of the draft. You didn't mention Murray or Ellison which may be two of the best to come out of the draft. This draft might not have the biggest ceilings, but it's solid till the end of the lottery. I would be happy with any of them sans Rabb, I also like Bacon as a wildcard.

DoubleHappiness · Post #645 » by **DoubleHappiness** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:19 pm

165bows wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Poeltl has completely dominated this Duke game. Not really long but he defends the rim really well. Doesn't let guys beat him for position, is physical without fouling and he's improved dramatically on the defensive glass. Has 14 boards against a long Duke squad. Still pretty young at 20 years old too. He's the only true center worth picking in the top 10 IMO, though I will admit I haven't seen Diallo play.

Ingram has been up and down but the talent is pretty undeniable.

What's the outlook on Poeltl? I haven't seen him much, honestly. Is he an Asik type or is he less inept offensively?

I've good things going back to last year's draft. Hopefully Dallas (or Boston..) can slide into the 8-11 spot and we can take a close look at him.

All aboard the Ingram train though. I don't know about next KD yet, but he's a scorer and we need one of those badly, particularly at the 3.

Much better hands and finisher than Asik. Has nice touch scoring on the move inside. An Asik that can score inside is probably a decent comp.

I'd been thinking Len as a good comp but watching him again yesterday he doesn't quite have Len's length, at least to my eye.

Maybe I will have to catch another game then. I missed the Duke game. The only game I have seen of him (Wichita State) he looked weak and not at all ready for the NBA game. That being said it appears that was one of his worst games so far, but his body control and offensive instincts looked pretty bad. A few times he drove into the teeth of the defense from the high post and just fell down or got outmuscled. I don't think he is anywhere near the athlete or the competitor that Alex Len is/was. I mean, defensively he is a large body, so he's got that going for him.

But as I said I missed the Duke game. I never root for guys to do badly so good to hear he is doing better.

ddb · Post #646 » by **ddb** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:26 am

My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

reload141 · Post #647 » by **reload141** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:21 am

ddb wrote:My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

If Philly have picks 2 and 4 and say we had the first overall would you trade the first overall for 2 and 4? (2 being Ingram most likely and then Bender or something?)

ddb · Post #648 » by **ddb** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:19 pm

reload141 wrote:
ddb wrote:My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

If Philly have picks 2 and 4 and say we had the first overall would you trade the first overall for 2 and 4? (2 being Ingram most likely and then Bender or something?)

WOW! putting me on the spot. That's a good question. I'm not really ready to give a definitive answer on that yet. I need to see more Simmons and Ingram before I'm comfortable with my answer. Few thoughts on that idea though...

#1- If Simmons was an absolute stud, we'd have to deal with him in our division for years. that could come back to haunt us.

#2- As of today I'd probably do that deal, only because I think I could draft both Ingram & Dunn 2 & 4. But this is an organic growth model that is going to take some more time. Danny would have to shift gears a bit. Right now the building is leaning towards more of a contend soon approach. Interesting

#3- Could we package #2 & #4 with Amir and others for Anthony Davis? Hypothetically, if New Orleans had #3, we could give them 2 and 4. Has there ever been a team with THREE top five selections? And would New Orleans be intrigued to move Davis for the opportunity to go complete overhaul? Probably not, but worth mentioning.

KJandHondo35 · Post #649 » by **KJandHondo35** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:10 pm

I'll be at the Providence v. Umass game tonight, see how legit Dunn really is.

DK-All Day · Post #650 » by **DK-All Day** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:12 pm

reload141 wrote:
ddb wrote:My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

If Philly have picks 2 and 4 and say we had the first overall would you trade the first overall for 2 and 4? (2 being Ingram most likely and then Bender or something?)

Not If you think Simmons is a generational talent. 1 Superstar > 2 All Stars.

jmr07019 · Post #651 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:19 pm

reload141 wrote:
ddb wrote:My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

If Philly have picks 2 and 4 and say we had the first overall would you trade the first overall for 2 and 4? (2 being Ingram most likely and then Bender or something?)

I don't think Philly would do that to be honest. Simmons doesn't fit in with their other non jump shooting bigs. They would probably be more interested in sending one of their centers with the number 2 or 4 for the number 1. I would trade all 3 of our picks for 2 and Okafor.

ddb · Post #652 » by **ddb** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:37 pm

KJandHondo35 wrote:I'll be at the Providence v. Umass game tonight, see how legit Dunn really is.

Dunn is questionable I Think

Justin33 · Post #653 » by **Justin33** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:46 pm

KJandHondo35 wrote:I'll be at the Providence v. Umass game tonight, see how legit Dunn really is.

The flu is running rampid through the team,Dunn hit especially hard.Bentil and Bullock are also good pro prospects

ddb · Post #654 » by **ddb** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:36 pm

random prospect thought...

What is the difference between Andrew Wiggins and Jaylen Brown? I've been watching a lot of game film and They're pretty much the same if you ask me.

Murta · Post #655 » by **Murta** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:52 pm

ddb wrote:random prospect thought...

What is the difference between Andrew Wiggins and Jaylen Brown? I've been watching a lot of game film and They're pretty much the same if you ask me.

I haven't seen Brown a lot, but I've read somewhere that Brown is shooting circa .335 (can't remember the exact number) from long 2s and you can see his stats from 3 is 0.8-3.1 3PA, .265% which is bad.
Wiggins started his college season with more than .400 from 3 and ended with .341. And his form was pretty decent.

BfB · Post #656 » by **BfB** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:21 pm

Wade Baldwin - remember that name

Edug27 · Post #657 » by **Edug27** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:42 pm

ddb wrote:random prospect thought...

What is the difference between Andrew Wiggins and Jaylen Brown? I've been watching a lot of game film and They're pretty much the same if you ask me.

Interesting. I haven't seen much of Brown to be honest. But I was a huge Wiggins fan. His game has translated over nicely at the pro level.

peachbucket · Post #658 » by **peachbucket** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:08 pm

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:random prospect thought...

What is the difference between Andrew Wiggins and Jaylen Brown? I've been watching a lot of game film and They're pretty much the same if you ask me.

Interesting. I haven't seen much of Brown to be honest. But I was a huge Wiggins fan. His game has translated over nicely at the pro level.

I love Jaylen Brown. He is a much better shooter than he has shown so far at Cal.

I think they are very different players. Wiggins is a bit taller/longer and more explosive with an elite second jump. He is an iso scorer through and through with the ability to go off the dribble against slower defenders and post up against smaller defenders. Despite being a great primary scoring threat I think his playmaking ability will always be limited by his limited vision and ball handling.

Brown is a bit more in the Paul Pierce/James Harden mold physically. Shorter than Wiggins but powerfully built with a quick first step and can absorb contact at the rim. He isn't the shooter the Pierce was at the same stage but is significantly quicker and more explosive. Unlike Wiggins, he also has the tools to be a playmaker at the NBA level with good vision and handle. He can go coast to coast after a board and should be able to play some point forward at the NBA level. If he develops his shot then look out...he could be similar to James Harden offensively with better defensive potential.

I wouldn't be shocked if Ainge has Brown #2 on his board right now. IMO he has less bustability than Ingram and is an intelligent competitive high character guy who a years and a half ago was the top prospect in the class.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #659 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:50 pm

BfB wrote:Wade Baldwin - remember that name

woah. Randomly saw him last week and thought, "He's an NBA player."

He was KAT's h.s teammate I guess.

Shamrock · Post #660 » by **Shamrock** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:26 am

ddb wrote:My top right now is Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender (mystery Euro), Brown, Murray, Rabb, Poeltl, Skal, Ellison. There is a drop off after Simmons, Ingram, Dunn. dont be shocked if someone sees something in Murray and takes him 3 or 4 and he becomes a stud. Simmons, Ingram and Dunn are locks for me. I think all 3 have All Star written all over them.

Dunn's a lock for me as well. I spent a lot of time in Eastern CT and have see him play a **** ton of times