Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Hoops23]

If you want other opinions, it might be better to take this conversation up in the T&T forum or our own offseason free agency forum. You can even set up a poll.

again, there's no need to wait for the off-season. Its about NOW before it will be late and opportunities slip away. Whiteside may leave for other team considering Heat doesn't have his bird rights and unrestricted at that.

Team chemistry means an awful lot. Bringing Rondo to Miami is like bringing Hibbert here.

yes team chemistry is awful lot. But how can you say Rondo is like bringing Hibbert. Rondo & his expiring contract is more of a filler in the trade. Take to consider, the trade is like Cousin and additional cap space coz of McBob's contract dumping for Whiteside and two future 1st pick (from Dragic trade)... Cousin is way better than Whiteside. The Heat are getting the best player in the deal.

you are over stating about Rondo and forgot what Cousin's brings to the team. You need to give assets in order to get good assets in return

I don't think we can add a max free agent this offseason. Our goal should be to keep Wade and Whiteside.

If that will be the case, then the Heat is just like a team competing for a playoff spot than a championship.

Sorry but that's not how Pat Riley works, he rebuilt his team thru free agency and trades. Obviously, he always package picks in trades. Riley's goal is always to have his team improve and that is why Wade did not sign multi contract so the Heat have a cap space to make a run to Durant. Riles loves chasing big name free agents, one recent is the LaMarcus Aldridge last summer. If you're really a Heat fan and follow Riley, he will not just sit and set his goal to keep Whiteside and a declining Wade.

Heat's goal next summer is to add another asset by signing a big name FA, coz we know Wade is on the decline. Heat needs to sign a max player like KD, Wade back and Hassan. But how? Heat is limited with their cap space and doesn't have the bird rights to Hassan to sign all three.

In my opinion the Kings fans will hate your proposal

thats good.. it means my trade is good for Miami

Whiteside's max salary is $20,956,974 - not 23 million. Bosh can easily get the salary we pay him from many other teams so I reject the premise that he's overpaid.

whatever!! He's still over paid for that..

[Hoops23]

Who should get it then? We let Whiteside go, ok thats step 1. Now we have $42mill in space, $48mill if we can dump McBob. What's step 2? Offer Durant $25mill? For arguments sake lets say that he says no. Now what do we do? We've dumped McBob and we let Whiteside sign with the Celtics(again for arguments sake).

Now we have $48mill in cap space, all of the restricted free agents have re-signed and LeBron is staying with the Cavs. What do we do now? Offer Al Horford his max which would be 4 year $113mill and even with that overpay the Hawks could and would pay more to retain their best player.

So then we move onto who? The corpse of Dwight Howard? Because his max is even higher than Horfords.

Here's the list have a look for yourself: http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/10/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/

Unless you want to give $100mill to Parsons or Conley or DeRozen instead of $90mill to Hassan there isn't much reason to let him go. Unless of course we somehow land Durant.

if Miami sticks with its current roster and Whiteside walks, I'm with you in bringing Al Horford back in Florida or even Noah. IMO, Al will be signed then worth the contract for his talent than Whiteside will. Ofcourse, I prefer Hassan than Al but the circumstances around Hassan like getting over paid and taking part of the cap space is I dont like. By getting Al, we can max another FA and signed Wade back.

At this point, I'm still hoping we can get good value for Hassan, if not I hope he'll take $15m next season to have enough cap space to bring Wade back plus the max free agent Heat needs. Because this current roster will not get the Heat pass the Cavaliers. I trust Riley and knows he's building for championships and not playoff spot.

[RexBoyWonder]

1. Whiteside will get MAX this summer for sure.
2. The team signing Whiteside at MAX is at huge risk that he is not and will never be that good.
3. I want Heat in no parts of it.

We already overpay for Bosh and Dragic, do you want to overpay for an immature center who has huge flaws in his game?

Instead of a 80M/4Yr Whiteside, I would much prefer a 10M/4Yr Willie Reed.

I doubt Whiteside will get the max salary of $23m, but maybe $17m. I too believe he's over paid for that, but the market will dictate his price, thats why I'm worried Miami might not able to sign another max FA player and Wade.

As far as Bosh, I agree he's over paid but Miami was force to because of the loss of Lebron. I dont regret the Bosh signing because of that reason and Heat might have been too awful last season.

Reason I open or suggest a Whiteside trade, because I'm worried Miami might kill its chances to add a FA like Durant or maybe DeRozan and Wade if Hassan's given a max contract or close to the max. Dumping McBob's contract is a big help.

NO TO MAX CONTRACT TO WHITESIDE!!!

Who should get it then? We let Whiteside go, ok thats step 1. Now we have $42mill in space, $48mill if we can dump McBob. What's step 2? Offer Durant $25mill? For arguments sake lets say that he says no. Now what do we do? We've dumped McBob and we let Whiteside sign with the Celtics(again for arguments sake).

Now we have $48mill in cap space, all of the restricted free agents have re-signed and LeBron is staying with the Cavs. What do we do now? Offer Al Horford his max which would be 4 year $113mill and even with that overpay the Hawks could and would pay more to retain their best player.

So then we move onto who? The corpse of Dwight Howard? Because his max is even higher than Horfords.

Here's the list have a look for yourself: http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/10/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/

Unless you want to give $100mill to Parsons or Conley or DeRozen instead of $90mill to Hassan there isn't much reason to let him go. Unless of course we somehow land Durant.

Part of the issue is that we don't know what can we really get if we don't offer White the max.

If Horford can be had for a slightly bigger max, should we prefer him over Whiteside? It's not an easy question considering the spacing/smallball angle.

Horford and Bosh stretching you out to the corner 3's, can you imagine how much space Dragic and Wade will have to drive in the paint.

[Heat_Fan_87]

horford is a nice backup option

[miula]

1. Whiteside will get MAX this summer for sure.
2. The team signing Whiteside at MAX is at huge risk that he is not and will never be that good.
3. I want Heat in no parts of it.

We already overpay for Bosh and Dragic, do you want to overpay for an immature center who has huge flaws in his game?

Instead of a 80M/4Yr Whiteside, I would much prefer a 10M/4Yr Willie Reed.

I doubt Whiteside will get the max salary of $23m, but maybe $17m. I too believe he's over paid for that, but the market will dictate his price, thats why I'm worried Miami might not able to sign another max FA player and Wade.

As far as Bosh, I agree he's over paid but Miami was force to because of the loss of Lebron. I dont regret the Bosh signing because of that reason and Heat might have been too awful last season.

Reason I open or suggest a Whiteside trade, because I'm worried Miami might kill its chances to add a FA like Durant or maybe DeRozan and Wade if Hassan's given a max contract or close to the max. Dumping McBob's contract is a big help.

NO TO MAX CONTRACT TO WHITESIDE!!!

Who should get it then? We let Whiteside go, ok thats step 1. Now we have $42mill in space, $48mill if we can dump McBob. What's step 2? Offer Durant $25mill? For arguments sake lets say that he says no. Now what do we do? We've dumped McBob and we let Whiteside sign with the Celtics(again for arguments sake).

Now we have $48mill in cap space, all of the restricted free agents have re-signed and LeBron is staying with the Cavs. What do we do now? Offer Al Horford his max which would be 4 year $113mill and even with that overpay the Hawks could and would pay more to retain their best player.

So then we move onto who? The corpse of Dwight Howard? Because his max is even higher than Horfords.

Here's the list have a look for yourself: http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/10/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/

Unless you want to give $100mill to Parsons or Conley or DeRozen instead of $90mill to Hassan there isn't much reason to let him go. Unless of course we somehow land Durant.

This is an easy question.

Spending on whom? Just don't spend it. Sign quality players who don't need the MAX. ie Tyler Johnson.

Wait other team over-use their cap-space for 2 season, in the 3rd season we will be the only team has huge capspace.

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This is an easy question.

Spending on whom? Just don't spend it. Sign quality players who don't need the MAX. ie Tyler Johnson.

Wait other team over-use their cap-space for 2 season, in the 3rd season we will be the only team has huge capspace.

Because we're the only team that won't spend during those years? Teams on average next year will have $30mill+ in cap space and your solution is to join the ones that don't spend it and waste away the rest of Wade's career and start really building once Bosh is 34 and Goran is 32? Why?

[QUIZ]

horford is a nice backup option

Yeah he is, if he could be had for something in the neighborhood of 4 year $90mill. His max of 4 year $113mill is insane.

[KingDavid]

Actually, last night was his 82nd game in a Heat uniform.


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[goodboy]

Usually I don\t really pay attention to "tweets" but my god, that tweet by GOATSIDE is truly GOAT in every facet. He dun' grew up fast, even dresses like it lol.

[QUIZ]

He's getting better every game. 22pts 11rebs 5blks vs the Blazers and some of the best PnR D that we've seen from him. I've seen a ton of growth in that regard.

He already has the physical tools and slowly but surely the mental aspect of it is starting to catch up.

[gom]

He's getting better every game. 22pts 11rebs 5blks vs the Blazers and some of the best PnR D that we've seen from him. I've seen a ton of growth in that regard.

He already has the physical tools and slowly but surely the mental aspect of it is starting to catch up.

Yeah, we should definitely trade him.

[Lord Hades]

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My God.

[Hoops23]

He's getting better every game. 22pts 11rebs 5blks vs the Blazers and some of the best PnR D that we've seen from him. I've seen a ton of growth in that regard.

He already has the physical tools and slowly but surely the mental aspect of it is starting to catch up.

Yeah, we should definitely trade him.

agree with qualification.. If its for a better player than him (like Cousin) and helps the Heat get a max free agent next year like KD or DeRozan and resign Wade.

at this point, the situation with Miami is, Whiteside get the most of the caps space, resign Wade and then Heat sign a 2nd tier free agent.

The current Heat line-up will not get the Heat pass Lebron and the Cavs. If Miami continue with its current roster, then they're just good for a playoff spot and it kills the Heat free agent destination. Free agent loves the Heat coz they know they're serious about championships.

[Mars]

Hassan Whiteside takes the extra steps to finish the game for Heat

Michael Wallace | ESPN
December 20, 2015

MIAMI -- In a performance filled with mind-twisting numbers for Hassan Whiteside, none stood out more on Sunday than two that most defined his impact.

The first: Five feet.

The second: Eleven minutes and 31 seconds.

That first number represents the additional distance and ground Whiteside was asked to cover in stepping out toward the perimeter against pick-and-roll sets -- an effort to eliminate airspace for shooters and avoid being a defensive liability for the Miami Heat.

The second number is the playing time Whiteside got in the fourth quarter alone as a residual reward for carrying out that assignment to near perfection in the Heat's 116-109 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers. Miami shook off a sluggish start and perimeter defensive lapses to get a much-harder-than-it-should-have-been win to improve to 16-10 after recovering from Friday's frustrating loss to Toronto.

But among other things, Sunday's biggest accomplishment was proving that Whiteside and fourth quarters don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive elements in a successful formula for the Heat. In most games this season, Whiteside has played sparingly or not at all in the fourth quarter. Those omission decisions have been the most polarizing aspect of Miami's uneven season so far...

...Usually, the Heat blink. This time, they stayed big and didn't budge.

It was different because Spoelstra chose to play to his team's strength -- and stuck with it -- to see Whiteside and Chris Bosh dismantle the Blazers' smaller frontcourt. Whiteside's closing punch was set up by Bosh's flurry late in the third and early in the fourth, when Bosh regrouped from five first-half turnovers and ultimately contributed 29 points, six rebounds and four assists.

It was also different because Whiteside showed defensive mobility that led to hard shows as Damian Lillard or C.J. McCollum stepped around screens in anticipation of open shots. Spoelstra insisted Whiteside's late-game call came because of his improved focus on the intricate details of the defense.

"That's why I played him the entire second half," Spoelstra said of Whiteside logging all but 29 seconds after Miami trailed 62-52 at the break. "He was making so many plays, a lot of them you saw -- the blocks, rebounds. But [it's also] a lot you wouldn't see -- pick-and-roll coverages against dynamic 3-point shooters. He was covering a lot of ground, arguably as much as he's [ever] covered defensively."...

...Still, Whiteside's status and how he has handled rolling in and out of the rotation late in games has been a delicate issue for Miami. Wade said he is constantly in Whiteside's ear about professionalism and maturity.

"I communicate with Hassan a lot, whether it's on the court, off the court, on the bench, in the locker room; he's very important to this team," Wade said after a recent win in Atlanta. "He has to understand whatever minutes he's on the floor, he has to dominate those minutes. And the minutes he's not on the floor, cheer for his teammates and hope they can get the job done. If that's not happening, then it becomes a divide in the locker room. And when you're a team that's trying to figure it out, you have to be as close as possible. You can't have a divide because someone feels they should be on the floor."

Whiteside remained on the floor Sunday mainly because he understood where he should be on the hardwood during a crucial time in the game. Bosh said the Heat spent the past few days in film sessions and workouts showing Whiteside how to defend on the perimeter and how to get back into the paint.

"It's a difference of five feet," Bosh said. "For him, that makes the biggest difference in the world. For us defensively, it allows us to be able to cover so much more ground and have each other's back."

And it made a major difference in Whiteside's playing time.

Before Sunday, he averaged just 4.8 minutes in the final quarter of games this season. Only Chris Andersen and Amar'e Stoudemire averaged less time -- and it's mostly because they're often in street clothes on the inactive list. Through 26 games, Whiteside has sat out of six fourth quarters entirely.

Maybe that will change now. It will depend on matchups and Whiteside's level of focus.

But his ability to defend those additional five feet away from the lane allowed Whiteside to make a major leap in Spoelstra's closing rotation. The Heat will make strides in their quest for consistency if both men are willing to keep taking a step or two outside of their comfort zones.

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[3ballbomber]

I guess nobody wants Cousins or Howard now.......not until our next loss anyway

[Dmcdani6]

Only other person I would THINK of trading Whiteside for is Cousins, and that wouldn't happen unless we gutted the team so that's not happening. I'm glad about that.

[QUIZ]

He's getting better every game. 22pts 11rebs 5blks vs the Blazers and some of the best PnR D that we've seen from him. I've seen a ton of growth in that regard.

He already has the physical tools and slowly but surely the mental aspect of it is starting to catch up.

Yeah, we should definitely trade him.

agree with qualification.. If its for a better player than him (like Cousin) and helps the Heat get a max free agent next year like KD or DeRozan and resign Wade.

at this point, the situation with Miami is, Whiteside get the most of the caps space, resign Wade and then Heat sign a 2nd tier free agent.

The current Heat line-up will not get the Heat pass Lebron and the Cavs. If Miami continue with its current roster, then they're just good for a playoff spot and it kills the Heat free agent destination. Free agent loves the Heat coz they know they're serious about championships.

So you're ok with losing Whiteside because of the small chance we'd have at signing Durant or DeRozen?

That just doesn't make any sense to me. We're not getting any major assets for Whiteside. His lack of bird rights basically makes his trade value next to nothing.

So if we don't resign him we will be losing him for nothing.

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My God.

I voted