Which team has the brightest future? PHI, MIN, ORL, MIL, BOS or POR?

[Daaron]

I didn't realize that Embiid was still a thing.....I thought he had reached Greg Oden status by now.

Nope. Embiid has a chance to have a very healthy long career. I do understand those who say he won't stay healthy though. We shall see. If he's healthy he is the best big man prospect since Duncan.

Embiid is only a thing to the unknowledgeable or to 6er fans grasping for meaning to a horrific season.

All evidence says that Embiid cannot stay healthy. He picked up basketball as a Sophomore in HS. As a Senior in HS he battled back issues. As a freshman at KU he missed time due to knee issues and a broken back.

He has had 2 foot surgeries all before playing a minute on an NBA court. Further, Embiid spent much of his first year of rehab boozing and eating junk food and not wearing his boot per Sports Illustrated.

For anyone to say Embiid has a chance to have a long healthy career reminds me of the dumb and dumber movie line "so you say there is a chance".

There is zero evidence that says Embiid can stay healthy for 30 games, much less 80. I pity the 6er fans searching for answers, but they should look elsewhere.

[jgosche]

I thought the 2013-2014 Spurs showcased how team play can trump "superstar" play. Nobody on that team had gaudy individual stats throughout the season and they were unstoppable in the playoffs. Kawhi was starting to emerge but nobody had him pegged as a superstar at that point.

[OrlandoDream]

You can make a case an throw the Pistons in this convo. Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Drummond, KCP,

[Klomp]

I thought the 2013-2014 Spurs showcased how team play can trump "superstar" play. Nobody on that team had gaudy individual stats throughout the season and they were unstoppable in the playoffs. Kawhi was starting to emerge but nobody had him pegged as a superstar at that point.

It's not just about stats.

Who's your Tim Duncan? Who's your Tony Parker? Who's your Manu Ginobili?

Leonard, arguably the fourth-best player on that team, even at that time would've been in consideration as the best player on this season's Magic.

[Unbreakable99]

I didn't realize that Embiid was still a thing.....I thought he had reached Greg Oden status by now.

Nope. Embiid has a chance to have a very healthy long career. I do understand those who say he won't stay healthy though. We shall see. If he's healthy he is the best big man prospect since Duncan.

Embiid is only a thing to the unknowledgeable or to 6er fans grasping for meaning to a horrific season.

All evidence says that Embiid cannot stay healthy. He picked up basketball as a Sophomore in HS. As a Senior in HS he battled back issues. As a freshman at KU he missed time due to knee issues and a broken back.

He has had 2 foot surgeries all before playing a minute on an NBA court. Further, Embiid spent much of his first year of rehab boozing and eating junk food and not wearing his boot per Sports Illustrated.

For anyone to say Embiid has a chance to have a long healthy career reminds me of the dumb and dumber movie line "so you say there is a chance".

There is zero evidence that says Embiid can stay healthy for 30 games, much less 80. I pity the 6er fans searching for answers, but they should look elsewhere.

I don't have any issue with anyone saying Embiid can't stay healthy. That's fair at this time. But as far as other things don't believe everything you read about Embiid. I don't recall Embiid missing any time at Kansas because of knee issues though.

Still, Embiid is a phenomenal prospect. Bill Self pretty much said he should be the first pick taken and was better than Wiggins.

[Klomp]

I don't have any issue with anyone saying Embiid can't stay healthy. That's fair at this time. But as far as other things don't believe everything you read about Embiid. I don't recall Embiid missing any time at Kansas because of knee issues though.

Coach Bill Self said the 7-foot freshman, who has been dealing with a sprained knee and back trouble, is "going to need some time off" after Embiid played only 18 minutes in an 85-82 overtime loss Monday at Kansas State.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10436361/joel-embiid-kansas-jayhawks-miss-injuries

[JAY DASH]

Really hard to choose between Orlando and Minnesota right now. Think people outside of Orlando don't really see how good Vucevic is. Towns did dominate him the first time the two teams matched up but Orlando won both games.

I'm a Magic fan but I'd pick the Wolves because I also like Rubio and Dieng a lot, but Orlando's definitely loaded with young talent, and is already translating that talent into Wins. Evan Fournier would be an absolute killer if he was on a team like OKC or San Antonio right now. He's Ginobili-esque in terms of his skill set and tenacity. Struggled for a couple of weeks recently but other than that you can argue that he's been up there with Vucevic as the top two players on the team so far. Oladipo's defense has been stout. Aaron Gordon's ceiling his high (my hopes are that he blossoms into a much more athletic Draymond Green type), Elf Payton's continued to improve. Tobias is quietly having a solid season. Haven't even gotten a chance to mention Hezonja or Nicholson, which tells you how much depth they have in Orlando. Just not good enough to compete with guys like LeBron, but other than that they can pretty much compete with any team in the league on any given night...already.

[Tayswagzzz]

It's hard to take the GB seriously when they rate Russell, Noel, Reggie Jackson, etc better than anybody on the Magic with 100% assurance that nobody on the Magic could become an all star.

It's like them winning now as young players is penalizing them.

Truth. Especially the second part.

[Cosmic_Backlash]

As a Magic fan I think Minny has the highest ceiling, but I'm not sure their gm and coach. Minnesota could be the next great team or waste the talent. I'd take their core 100% of the time though.

I'd put magic #2, because they've shown the ability nurture their talent and put players in positions to succeed. Hezonja and Gordon have the most talent and are being brought on slowly. I'm not sure how high they could peak but I'm very happy with the progression of all of our players. Would be tough to win a ship, well rounded teams have won in the past, although not often.

I like Milwaukee and thought they would be where the magic are at right now. Not sure what the issue is but I love Giannis and Jabari.

Philly has a ton of talent but the front office is atrocious. You have to commit to winning at some point or you're clippers before cp3 and Blake; an embarrassment.

[jgosche]

I thought the 2013-2014 Spurs showcased how team play can trump "superstar" play. Nobody on that team had gaudy individual stats throughout the season and they were unstoppable in the playoffs. Kawhi was starting to emerge but nobody had him pegged as a superstar at that point.

It's not just about stats.

Who's your Tim Duncan? Who's your Tony Parker? Who's your Manu Ginobili?

Leonard, arguably the fourth-best player on that team, even at that time would've been in consideration as the best player on this season's Magic.

The Spurs' big 3 were past their primes and usually didn't take over games themselves. And they didn't need to because everybody on their team carried the load.

The Magic aren't there yet. There's a very high chance they will never be there, because that team was phenomenal. But it keeps getting brought up that the Magic don't have any superstars which means they're destined for a perennial 7th seed, which I think is wrong. They're one of the youngest teams in the league and their talent is clicking and starting to produce wins, the goal is to grow into a team that can rely on every player on the court rather than a single superstar.

[Kobblehead]

Really hard to choose between Orlando and Minnesota right now. Think people outside of Orlando don't really see how good Vucevic is. Towns did dominate him the first time the two teams matched up but Orlando won both games.

I'm a Magic fan but I'd pick the Wolves because I also like Rubio and Dieng a lot, but Orlando's definitely loaded with young talent, and is already translating that talent into Wins. Evan Fournier would be an absolute killer if he was on a team like OKC or San Antonio right now. He's Ginobili-esque in terms of his skill set and tenacity. Struggled for a couple of weeks recently but other than that you can argue that he's been up there with Vucevic as the top two players on the team so far. Oladipo's defense has been stout. Aaron Gordon's ceiling his high (my hopes are that he blossoms into a much more athletic Draymond Green type), Elf Payton's continued to improve. Tobias is quietly having a solid season. Haven't even gotten a chance to mention Hezonja or Nicholson, which tells you how much depth they have in Orlando. Just not good enough to compete with guys like LeBron, but other than that they can pretty much compete with any team in the league on any given night...already.

The sum of Orlando's pocket is legit, but they're all pocket change, in the grand scheme.

Vucevic - a good half-dollar coin
Harris - a good quarter
Oladipo - a good quarter
Fornier - a good quarter
Payton - a good quarter
Hezonja - a strange foreign coin that you're unsure of its worth
Napier - a chipped nickel

WHERE DA DOLLAS AT, JAY?!

Towns by himself is a dollar bill. Meaning Vucevic and two other pieces equals his worth. That alone makes Minny the brighter future.

[tooler]

Okafor + Noel + Embiid + Saric: a one trillion dollar derivatives package!

Just having fun. This pocket change talk suddenly made me think of Hinkie as a sketchy hedge fund manager.

Also plz don't forget Aaron Gordon and nearly-NBA-replacement-level-player Andrew Nicholson. He's worked so hard.

[Kobblehead]

Okafor + Noel + Embiid + Saric: a one trillion dollar derivatives package!

Just having fun. This pocket change talk suddenly made me think of Hinkie as a sketchy hedge fund manager.

Also plz don't forget Aaron Gordon and nearly-NBA-replacement-level-player Andrew Nicholson. He's worked so hard.

That's my fault for not writing Gordon in there. I do consider him a legit 2-way player in this league. A very shiny quarter. Nicholson is a jobber, IMO. He stays in the coin jar.

I don't think our situation is great, make no mistake.

Embiid - a crinkled dollar bill
Okafor - a half-dollar coin that turned out to be counterfeit
Noel - a good quarter
Saric - a foreign coin that probably has the same currency rate as a U.S. quarter
Covington - a good quarter
Grant - a good quarter
McConnell - a dime
Holmes - a dime
Stauskas - a wheat penny

If we can't straighten that dollar bill out and we miss out on landing Ben Simmons (another dollar bill), we're just a poor man's Orlando with less big coins.

[AustinPowers]

Orlando. They'll draft Steph Curry 1.8 named Melo Trimble at about ~20, and re-think their PG position. Move away from the Rubio/Kidd/MCW style PG and try for the Steph/Kyrie-type.

Thank you magic 8-ball.


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[tooler]

Grant - a good quarter
McConnell - a dime
Holmes - a dime
Stauskas - a wheat penny

I was with you until this part. You guys and your furiously-polished nickles!!

Buyer beware.

[Kobblehead]

Grant - a good quarter
McConnell - a dime
Holmes - a dime
Stauskas - a wheat penny

I was with you until this part. You guys and your furiously-polished nickles!!

Buyer beware.

What's wrong with those identifiers?

Grant - Considered a quarter for his prominent perimeter defense and positionally rare shotblocking. He may never develop offensively and only be a 1-way player, but he plays that one side at a high level.

McConnell - Considered a dime because he's defensively sound and a very good distributor. He's a legitimate 3rd or 4th guard in this league. A very dependable player to bring off your bench at the end of your 8 or 9 man rotation. He's a shorter version of Elfrid Payton without the athleticism.

Holmes - I actually think calling him a dime might be playing it safe. He has 2-way player potential. He has an offensive skillset to go along with his shotblocking. He's not a good enough rebounder to ever be a starter, but this kid can play.

Staukasas - Calling him a wheat penny is just another way of calling him trash. I don't think he belongs in the league. He's a shooter that can't shoot. And he'll never be able to defend. Bad basketball player.

[tooler]

Value is imputed by the buyer. In other words, would Orlando trade any of its quarters for Grant? Goodness, no.

[Kobblehead]

Value is imputed by the buyer. In other words, would Orlando trade any of its quarters for Grant? Goodness, no.

Good point.

But is that because you don't value Grant as a quarter or because you already have a handful of quarters that play the same two forward positions as Grant (Harris, Gordon and maybe even Hezonja)?

[tooler]

Value is imputed by the buyer. In other words, would Orlando trade any of its quarters for Grant? Goodness, no.

Good point.

But is that because you don't value Grant as a quarter or because you already have a handful of quarters that play the same two forward positions as Grant (Harris, Gordon and maybe even Hezonja)?

The former. I love that Grant is making a career for himself in Philly, but I wouldn't recommend trade proposals of Grant for any of those 3 outside of conversation among friends. Sorry, man.

[DrCoach]

Really hard to choose between Orlando and Minnesota right now. Think people outside of Orlando don't really see how good Vucevic is. Towns did dominate him the first time the two teams matched up but Orlando won both games.

I'm a Magic fan but I'd pick the Wolves because I also like Rubio and Dieng a lot, but Orlando's definitely loaded with young talent, and is already translating that talent into Wins. Evan Fournier would be an absolute killer if he was on a team like OKC or San Antonio right now. He's Ginobili-esque in terms of his skill set and tenacity. Struggled for a couple of weeks recently but other than that you can argue that he's been up there with Vucevic as the top two players on the team so far. Oladipo's defense has been stout. Aaron Gordon's ceiling his high (my hopes are that he blossoms into a much more athletic Draymond Green type), Elf Payton's continued to improve. Tobias is quietly having a solid season. Haven't even gotten a chance to mention Hezonja or Nicholson, which tells you how much depth they have in Orlando. Just not good enough to compete with guys like LeBron, but other than that they can pretty much compete with any team in the league on any given night...already.

The sum of Orlando's pocket is legit, but they're all pocket change, in the grand scheme.

Vucevic - a good half-dollar coin
Harris - a good quarter
Oladipo - a good quarter
Fornier - a good quarter
Payton - a good quarter
Hezonja - a strange foreign coin that you're unsure of its worth
Napier - a chipped nickel

WHERE DA DOLLAS AT, JAY?!

Towns by himself is a dollar bill. Meaning Vucevic and two other pieces equals his worth. That alone makes Minny the brighter future.

Umm, aaron Gordan?