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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#21 » by bsilver » Sun Jan 3, 2016 1:21 pm

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nate33 wrote:
bsilver wrote:Assuming:
1) Durant's not coming
2) Beal's healthy

a) Nervous about it, but have to re-sign Beal
b) Re-sign Sessions and Dudley
c) Bring over Satoransky
d) I'd love to have Biyombo. Just what we need - rebounding and defense. He'll be due big money with the way he's been playing and Toronto hopefully can't afford him. Will have other suitors.
e) Backup plan to (d) is to bring back Seraphin. He can't be happy in NYC with so little playing time.
f) Sign Jon Leuer. High energy PF. Doesn't shoot a lot of 3's but has good %.

PG - Wall, Sessions
SG - Beal, Sato
SF - Porter, Oubre
PF - Dudley, Leuer, Humphries, Gooden
C- Gortat, Biyombo, Blair
Other - 1st round pick. Groom a PG like Melo Trimble to take over for Sessions. I think the best big men will be gone by the time we pick - especially any stretch 4 possibilities.

Other options:
a) Have to consider Ryan Anderson, but he'll be expensive with lots of of offers, and not sure he's worth it.
b) Pry a big man from Boston. Not David Lee. Probably couldn't get Olynek, but he'd be perfect.

I like much of this. I absolutely would not go after Seraphin though. And I'd take a shot at Batum before settling for Dudley. Leuer and Biyombo are good ideas though. If we added them, I'd definitely let Hump and Blair go. I might keep Gooden on a vet minimum contract.

Also, I love Sessions but wouldn't chase him in a bidding process. If he wouldn't agree to something south of 2 years $10M, I'd probably let him walk and look elsewhere.


Why do you like this?
This is essentially our team now, and not a playoff team.


We blew our phukkin load on Durant. How embarrassing it will be when he doesn't sign here.
We're like that delusional kid at the bar, convinced he deserves the 10/10 supermodel, so he turns down all the free pussy 7/10 and 8/10s are throwing at him all night. Only to discover at last call that the 10/10 is going home with someone else. And now we have to go home and masturbate alone, sobbing. Aka the Monte. Embarrassing.

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Would love to have Durant, but we're no 10s. Maybe he'll show some mercy.
I think we'll make the playoffs, if healthy, and my changes would help, but still not close to championship level.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#22 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 3, 2016 3:16 pm

AFM wrote:
nate33 wrote:
bsilver wrote:Assuming:
1) Durant's not coming
2) Beal's healthy

a) Nervous about it, but have to re-sign Beal
b) Re-sign Sessions and Dudley
c) Bring over Satoransky
d) I'd love to have Biyombo. Just what we need - rebounding and defense. He'll be due big money with the way he's been playing and Toronto hopefully can't afford him. Will have other suitors.
e) Backup plan to (d) is to bring back Seraphin. He can't be happy in NYC with so little playing time.
f) Sign Jon Leuer. High energy PF. Doesn't shoot a lot of 3's but has good %.

PG - Wall, Sessions
SG - Beal, Sato
SF - Porter, Oubre
PF - Dudley, Leuer, Humphries, Gooden
C- Gortat, Biyombo, Blair
Other - 1st round pick. Groom a PG like Melo Trimble to take over for Sessions. I think the best big men will be gone by the time we pick - especially any stretch 4 possibilities.

Other options:
a) Have to consider Ryan Anderson, but he'll be expensive with lots of of offers, and not sure he's worth it.
b) Pry a big man from Boston. Not David Lee. Probably couldn't get Olynek, but he'd be perfect.

I like much of this. I absolutely would not go after Seraphin though. And I'd take a shot at Batum before settling for Dudley. Leuer and Biyombo are good ideas though. If we added them, I'd definitely let Hump and Blair go. I might keep Gooden on a vet minimum contract.

Also, I love Sessions but wouldn't chase him in a bidding process. If he wouldn't agree to something south of 2 years $10M, I'd probably let him walk and look elsewhere.


Why do you like this?
This is essentially our team now, and not a playoff team.


We blew our phukkin load on Durant. How embarrassing it will be when he doesn't sign here.
We're like that delusional kid at the bar, convinced he deserves the 10/10 supermodel, so he turns down all the free pussy 7/10 and 8/10s are throwing at him all night. Only to discover at last call that the 10/10 is going home with someone else. And now we have to go home and masturbate alone, sobbing. Aka the Monte. Embarrassing.

I agree that it is essentially our team now. But outside of Durant, I don't really see a way we can massively improve the team via free agency without dramatically overpaying in a way that cripples us for the long term. I see bsilver's plan as a means of maintaining our general .500-ish roster while getting a bit younger and without committing to any horrific contracts. The idea is to tread water and then hope to make a big improvement in 2017 (when there are better free agents on the market), or in 2018 (when most teams will have shot their wad and the free agency market won't have quite so many bidders).

Indeed, to that end, I would be heavily in favor of trading Beal for Portis or some other young player or pick on a cheap contract.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#23 » by WallToWall » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:11 am

I am of the opinion that our savior will not come to DC. Dont get me wrong, I want KD to sign here...I just dont think he will.
So...Time to rebuild.
We need to trade everyone not named Beal, Wall, Oubre, Porter, and Gortat. Trade everyone else for picks and trash you can dump right away. Beal is a good SG and in his prime. Wall is a great PG and in his prime. Porter is entering his prime and an above average SF/PF/tweener type. Oubre is looking to be a fast learner and will contribute as a SF/PF/tweener type too. Gortat is a backup C next year, and bigs are hard to come by, so we have to keep him.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#24 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 2:51 pm

WallToWall wrote:I am of the opinion that our savior will not come to DC. Dont get me wrong, I want KD to sign here...I just dont think he will.
So...Time to rebuild.
We need to trade everyone not named Beal, Wall, Oubre, Porter, and Gortat. Trade everyone else for picks and trash you can dump right away. Beal is a good SG and in his prime. Wall is a great PG and in his prime. Porter is entering his prime and an above average SF/PF/tweener type. Oubre is looking to be a fast learner and will contribute as a SF/PF/tweener type too. Gortat is a backup C next year, and bigs are hard to come by, so we have to keep him.

We will already be losing everyone not named Beal, Wall, Oubre, Porter and Gortat. Everyone else on the team has an expiring contract. We could try and trade them now, but nobody is going to pay more than a late 2nd round pick for a half-year rental of a mediocre veteran like Dudley, Humphries or Sessions. We're better off keeping them and hoping for a playoff run that at least keeps Durant intrigued with our team.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#25 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jan 4, 2016 3:10 pm

Gasol seems like our best chance minus KD to get a potential impact player imo. Pay him max money for a short amount of years--hope its good enough to bridge the way to the next great free agency class. I doubt Chicago would outbid us given the plethora of young PF talent they have.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#26 » by AFM » Mon Jan 4, 2016 3:31 pm

We already got "BABY KD" aka Otto P! on the team. We don't need KD baby, we need BOOGIE! BOOGIE gonna come here and CUT A RUG!! WALL 2 BOOGIE, WOOOO!!!!!!
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#27 » by Higga » Mon Jan 4, 2016 3:59 pm

Nothing productive can be done until we fire Ernie and bring in a young hungry GM who can think outside the box and let him hire a coach who is also young, hungry and can think outside the box. That may motivate some FAs to want to sign here.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#28 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:12 pm

I think Witt has mostly been fine due to how he's overachieved the last two post seasons.

Ernie should be gone though.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#29 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:13 pm

All this Durant stuff is fine, but whats the plan for Jarrell Eddie?
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#30 » by queridiculo » Mon Jan 4, 2016 10:12 pm

What the Wizards need most heading into 2016/2017 is credibility as an organization.

Cash isn't going to lure anybody but players desperately looking to boost their career earnings.

In order to take the next step the Wizards have to rid themselves off the stench of Grunfeld's tenure, and hire a front office and coaching staff that's been there and can convince prospects that Washington has a future.

Everything else is just going to result in more of the same **** the few dedicated fans of this team have been dealing with for the past 40 years.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#31 » by Hidden Eye » Mon Jan 4, 2016 10:18 pm

Sign TSat and juice up the bench but have enough money to Sign Cousins when he's a FA next year no big moves this year.

Edit Forget Cousins is a FA in 18, Sign a PF then do the same juice up the bench and sign TSat and get JanV.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#32 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jan 4, 2016 10:32 pm

Cousins has a lot of years on his deal left and is questionable in regards to how good he really is tbh

I honestly think Gasol is the best choice available as a free agent. He won't demand a ton of years and will probably be worth the money for those years.

I think if we try to go small without getting an all-star caliber player at the 4....its going to get really bad really fast.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#33 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 5, 2016 4:07 pm

LyricalRico wrote:All this Durant stuff is fine, but whats the plan for Jarrell Eddie?

Nominate him for the CaMMY - the Cartier Martin Man of the Year.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#34 » by AFM » Tue Jan 5, 2016 4:20 pm

We can't afford Jeddie
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#35 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jan 5, 2016 5:45 pm

And can we also bring back Will Bynum? I was watching last year's playoff games on my DVR and he actually hit a couple of FTs late to help setup Pierce's bank-shot winner in the Atlanta series. Bynum=clutch
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#36 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:14 pm

LyricalRico wrote:And can we also bring back Will Bynum? I was watching last year's playoff games on my DVR and he actually hit a couple of FTs late to help setup Pierce's bank-shot winner in the Atlanta series. Bynum=clutch

We might want him, but the Guangdong Southern Tigers need him.
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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#37 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:40 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I think Witt has mostly been fine due to how he's overachieved the last two post seasons.

Ernie should be gone though.


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Re: 2016-2017 Planning 

Post#38 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jan 6, 2016 10:41 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Cousins has a lot of years on his deal left and is questionable in regards to how good he really is tbh

I honestly think Gasol is the best choice available as a free agent. He won't demand a ton of years and will probably be worth the money for those years.

I think if we try to go small without getting an all-star caliber player at the 4....its going to get really bad really fast.


At this point, I would take a chance on Cousins. Just don't see it happening.

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