Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[ddb]

Im definitely in the minority on this board in terms of this team's future, but the thing you say about Stevens is exactly what I have issue with for this team the past two years. Its noble that he means well and tries to win with whatever he has, but ts not the 1 game series format that college has. The NBA wins with talent...as you know...there -100% chance we'd come close to taking your Warriors in a best of 7 series. He should have tanked, acquired talent in a couple of "free pass" years, and went for gold as LBJ starts slowing down and maybe if your Warriors somehow become mortal. Gunning for the playoffs and making it with this team is detrimental in the sense that it significantly lowers our odds at having a chance at getting some top talent. Getting beat down by the Cavs for 4 games does absolutely nothing, no matter what the homers say. That seems to be the biggest disagreement on this board though

how's that tank going for Philly? The Celtics are not going to Tank. Nobody wants to play for a garbage organization. Danny is doing a great, great job rebuilding. This is a good young team with cap space, roster flexibility, and tons of picks. Teams, executives, fans and players around the league respect the Celtics and how they're approaching this.

Shocker...jumping right the the philly side of the spectrum

Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Tank is working out well for Minny. Their future is lightyears ahead of ours at the moment, and looks like they'll be able to add to it even more this year. Cap space means nothing if the team doesn't have any good star running mates for the superstars you want to sign. Most of our picks arent/wont be top lottery picks. Respect is when the other teams, execs, and fans dont want to play you in the playoffs out of fear that our team will knock them out. We don't have the kind of respect that counts yet.

And along with garbage organizations..nobody is jumping at the chance to play for a mediocre one either

I'm not so sure that Minny is light years ahead of us, or even ahead of us at all in the rebuilding process. Wiggins is overrated. They are simply taking a different approach.
We have the A rated coach. We have more draft picks. We already have a good roster. We are more likely to land free agents. The Celtics WILL WIN a title before the Wolves do. The Wolves are a farm system for teams like Boston. Eventually Wiggins and Towns will leave Minny just like KG and Marbury did.

[ddb]

I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

pretty sure it's WAY too early to judge whether or not Rozier will be a good pick

[Homerclease]

Im definitely in the minority on this board in terms of this team's future, but the thing you say about Stevens is exactly what I have issue with for this team the past two years. Its noble that he means well and tries to win with whatever he has, but ts not the 1 game series format that college has. The NBA wins with talent...as you know...there -100% chance we'd come close to taking your Warriors in a best of 7 series. He should have tanked, acquired talent in a couple of "free pass" years, and went for gold as LBJ starts slowing down and maybe if your Warriors somehow become mortal. Gunning for the playoffs and making it with this team is detrimental in the sense that it significantly lowers our odds at having a chance at getting some top talent. Getting beat down by the Cavs for 4 games does absolutely nothing, no matter what the homers say. That seems to be the biggest disagreement on this board though

how's that tank going for Philly? The Celtics are not going to Tank. Nobody wants to play for a garbage organization. Danny is doing a great, great job rebuilding. This is a good young team with cap space, roster flexibility, and tons of picks. Teams, executives, fans and players around the league respect the Celtics and how they're approaching this.

Shocker...jumping right the the philly side of the spectrum

Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Tank is working out well for Minny. Their future is lightyears ahead of ours at the moment, and looks like they'll be able to add to it even more this year. Cap space means nothing if the team doesn't have any good star running mates for the superstars you want to sign. Most of our picks arent/wont be top lottery picks. Respect is when the other teams, execs, and fans dont want to play you in the playoffs out of fear that our team will knock them out. We don't have the kind of respect that counts yet.

And along with garbage organizations..nobody is jumping at the chance to play for a mediocre one either

Without steering this thread too off topic I have two points. Who exactly in the 2014 draft was worth tanking for again? And if I'm not mistaken didn't Cleveland win the lottery with a better record than the celtics and then proceed to trade the pick for Kevin love? So in effect Minny only really tanked for 1 year and it happened to be the right year where they wound up with Towns. Unless you count guys like Rubio and Lavine as franchise guys

[Edug27]

Eventually Wiggins and Towns will leave Minny just like KG and Marbury did.

And Danny will be waiting with his mid first rd picks when they hit the trade block.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

pretty sure it's WAY too early to judge whether or not Rozier will be a good pick

You'd trade him for WCS, tho... Right?

[ddb]

Eventually Wiggins and Towns will leave Minny just like KG and Marbury did.

And Danny will be waiting with his mid first rd picks when they hit the trade block.

The Celtics will be in the middle of a dynasty and won't need to buy those guys in free agency

[ddb]

I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

pretty sure it's WAY too early to judge whether or not Rozier will be a good pick

You'd trade him for WCS, tho... Right?

I'd trade my first born for WCS. I love that guy.

[Captain_Caveman]

how's that tank going for Philly? The Celtics are not going to Tank. Nobody wants to play for a garbage organization. Danny is doing a great, great job rebuilding. This is a good young team with cap space, roster flexibility, and tons of picks. Teams, executives, fans and players around the league respect the Celtics and how they're approaching this.

Shocker...jumping right the the philly side of the spectrum

Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Tank is working out well for Minny. Their future is lightyears ahead of ours at the moment, and looks like they'll be able to add to it even more this year. Cap space means nothing if the team doesn't have any good star running mates for the superstars you want to sign. Most of our picks arent/wont be top lottery picks. Respect is when the other teams, execs, and fans dont want to play you in the playoffs out of fear that our team will knock them out. We don't have the kind of respect that counts yet.

And along with garbage organizations..nobody is jumping at the chance to play for a mediocre one either

I'm not so sure that Minny is light years ahead of us, or even ahead of us at all in the rebuilding process. Wiggins is overrated. They are simply taking a different approach.
We have the A rated coach. We have more draft picks. We already have a good roster. We are more likely to land free agents. The Celtics WILL WIN a title before the Wolves do. The Wolves are a farm system for teams like Boston. Eventually Wiggins and Towns will leave Minny just like KG and Marbury did.

95% of this has nothing to do with soft tanking last year or not, though. Already had Stevens, most of the core roster and all those picks and cap room even before that decision was made.

The largest benefit of not doing so was supposed to come in the form of an increased chance at impact free agents, and let's be totally clear that this 100% did not happen. Probably won't this summer, either. So if that is the primary argument, it's a really bad one that is easily proven as a total failure to date.

Last, it may be us that is the role player factory in this equation. Sully, Turner, Jerebko and Zeller were half our rotation down the stretch last year, and none realistically figure into our long-term plans. Ditto for guys like James Young, and perhaps some of our rookies as well.

[Stadium5]

I just don't think that statement is accurate... unless I'm reading it wrong.

I have no problem with those wanting Boston to tank. I also have no problem with those wanting to create a winning culture. But we saw this 2 years ago. If you are going to tank, then you have to do it properly. You can't have Brad Stevens, Crowder, IT, Bradley etc etc out there and expect to out-tank the Sixers, Lakers and others. Brad isn't going to ML Carr it up and squeeze out L's for us. The team is too good as is for a good pick, and not good enough to contend. In hindsight, I wish we could have kept Brad in college one more season, brought in a puppet coach and tanked properly for Wiggins... then brought in Brad the following season. But of course, life doesn't work that way.

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

its doesnt need to be a "franchise" player to be better than Rozier. Stanley would've been a GREAT addition to this team. Watch in a few years

I love how so many of you guys dismiss rookies as if you already know what theyll end up being by January of their rookie season. Its laughable

[ddb]

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

its doesnt need to be a "franchise" player to be better than Rozier. Stanley would've been a GREAT addition to this team. Watch in a few years

I love how so many of you guys dismiss rookies as if you already know what theyll end up being by January of their rookie season. Its laughable

If the BK pick turns into Simmons or Ingram, and that player becomes a superstar for the Celtics....then the rebuild was close to perfect. Or if Ainge can flip these picks and acquire a Top 10 talent that helps attract another Top talent to Boston, and we become a contender....then this rebuild was close to perfect.
Patience fellas. This current team is demonstrating the ability to win. They are learning to win & compete. I love everything about this rebuild and I'm confident Ainge will make the right decisions.

[Edug27]

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

its doesnt need to be a "franchise" player to be better than Rozier. Stanley would've been a GREAT addition to this team. Watch in a few years

I love how so many of you guys dismiss rookies as if you already know what theyll end up being by January of their rookie season. Its laughable

Not dismissing. But we're debating Stanley vs Rozier. We can't have that convo for a couple years. Stanley wouldn't be getting 22 min a game in Boston. So much goes into this.

[jmr07019]

back to the draft .... Simmons is playing against Kentucky tonight who is number 9 in the nation. even though Skal is a total disappointment Kentucky normally has some legit NBA length and plenty of NBA athletes. Looking forward to seeing how Simmons does tonight

[165bows]

back to the draft .... Simmons is playing against Kentucky tonight who is number 9 in the nation. even though Skal is a total disappointment Kentucky normally has some legit NBA length and plenty of NBA athletes. Looking forward to seeing how Simmons does tonight

Simmons v. Poythress is a nice contest.

On last year's continued rehash it's pretty clear the guy they wanted in FA was Kevin Love, who was pimping other team's players for MVP. You win some you lose some, the continued consternation about it is unfathomable to me.

[jmr07019]

what's going on with cheick diallo? turned on the Kansas game last night at some point in the second half and never even saw him. draft express says he's only playing 9 mpg. has anybody seem him play? I was intrigued before but now I'm worried he's just another nba body with no idea how to play.

Diamond Stone on the other hand seems to be progressing nicely.

[return2glory]

pretty sure it's WAY too early to judge whether or not Rozier will be a good pick

You'd trade him for WCS, tho... Right?

I'd trade my first born for WCS. I love that guy.

WCS? Really? You love a 7 footer that can't shoot, has no offensive game, has no passion for the game and can't rebound for a guy his size. I called him a bust before the draft and he hasn't done much to change my opinion. I know he was hurt for a while but he hasn't done anything yet.

[return2glory]

What a game from Brice Johnson from UNC the other night. 39 points and 23 rebounds. He will be moving up the draft board really quick.

[Gomes3PC]

Johnson is tough to project in the NBA. Wayyy too skinny to play C in the NBA but his entire game is revolved around dunking and rebounding.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Scalabrine was on SiriusXM radio again this morning with Frank Isola. What stood out to me was when they started talking about the draft. Says he likes Simmons, but thinks that Ingram is going to turn out to be the best player in the draft. Isola then accused him of talking to Danny Ainge. Interesting. There's probably some truth to it, as Danny and Scal probably see each other quite a bit.

Where's LBF been at? Would be interested to see what Danny's draft board is looking like this year.

[KJandHondo35]

Scalabrine was on SiriusXM radio again this morning with Frank Isola. What stood out to me was when they started talking about the draft. Says he likes Simmons, but thinks that Ingram is going to turn out to be the best player in the draft. Isola then accused him of talking to Danny Ainge. Interesting. There's probably some truth to it, as Danny and Scal probably see each other quite a bit.

Where's LBF been at? Would be interested to see what Danny's draft board is looking like this year.

Sidebar: Scal and Isola is easily my favorite sports radio show, consistently hilarious and insightful.

[Curmudgeon]

I watched the LSU Kentucky game, and frankly no one really impressed me. Simmons was ok, reminded me of Boris Diaw. Labissiere was invisible, Poythress was terrible until he mercifully fouled out.

LSU's Quarterman was probably the best player on the floor in this particular game.