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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#321 » by LamarMatic7 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:25 pm

Major Tom wrote:Cool comeback. Morale builder for the troops

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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#322 » by bws94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:30 pm

Lamb vs. Daniels: Daniels is a better pure shooter, CnS shooter than anyone else on the team. Lamb can create his own shot to an extent. Daniels can be quite useful to the team, shouldn't replace Lamb in my opinion.

The game is lost without Daniels last night. Daniels and Roberts were great. Lin needed to sit, and Lamb wasn't even a consideration last night. Most nights, it won't be like that and Lamb should still be the first scoring option from the bench in my opinion and sometimes in with the starters. But Daniels still can help the team with his 3-pt shot and shot in general at spots in games.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#323 » by bws94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:32 pm

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Major Tom wrote:Cool comeback. Morale builder for the troops

Geez, man. You're username-avatar combination is giving me the creeps.


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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#324 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:32 pm

BigSlam wrote:I mentioned it in my Hammers post but wanted to ask the question here as well:

Can anyone remember an entire game were Kemba finished as well at the rim as well as he did last night?

Finishing on both sides of the rim. Using well timed finger rolls. Creating space with his body to protect his scoring zone. I just thought he drove so well.

It seemed like rather than playing in his 6th gear he played in his 5th gear - which gave him so much more control. He also didn't just play for contact and flail about trying to draw a foul.

Some of those passes were so nice as well.

Great game by Kemba (sans those horrible, butt puckering turn overs at the end).

Loved him hitting his FT's to ice it as well.


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I think you make a really good point now that I think about it. W/out looking at the numbers it does really feel like he is finishing better at the rim this season and last night was proof. I think making 3s has really opened everything up for Kemba. And he is getting to the FT line so much lately as a result of all his drives to the rim. Lets get some stats in here to back up Kemba - increased drives per game and increased FG% in the paint.

I think the 2nd half of last night + OT is the best I've ever seen Kemba play. Not only was he on fire from everywhere, but he really played some inspired defense in the 4th Q and OT, something that has been an issue with with lately. And my god, that play where he got stripped, then stole it back from Payton was maybe the most heartattack inducing moment I can remember. The only negative things I can remember in that half was a couple of heat check shots that weren't the best shots and those two turnovers when he tried to cross over Payton and Dipo. We so rarely ever see Kemba get his pocket picked and to see it twice in a span of a few minuets was crazy.

Basketball is about entertainment more than anything and this week we have been treated to two of the most entertaining games franchise history.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#325 » by Sauce_Castillo » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:33 pm

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The only 2 players on the team with a higher fg% than Lamb are Jefferson and Zeller who score 90% of there baskets on dunks or the post. Lamb is our best shooter and its not even close and its not a sample size like Daniels. Let Daniels keep his 3pt fg% up for 2-3 months then we will have a conversation. Because his overall fg% is not even close, theres a reason Daniels been on the bench all season.


I'm not saying Daniels is a better player than Lamb but to call Lamb our best shooter is ridiculous. He is 31-122 from three this season while Daniels is 24-49. That's 73 less threes and only he's made 6 less than Lamb, if you gave Daniels a sample size of 122 threes he would make way more than 31. Troy Daniels is in the top 25 in NBA history for career 3 point %.


Daniels fg% .433
Lamb fg% .470
Lamb is a better shooter. Period.
Like I said let Daniels continue to
shoot that hot from the 3 for 3 months and then we will talk.


Your logic is flawed, obviously fg % is not just shots. Lamb shoots 37.5% of his shots less than 10 ft from the rim, a higher % than any other shot he takes. Daniels gets to rim 6% of the time an catches and shoots 65% if lambs filed goal % wasn't higher that just be embarrassing. Troy true shooting percentage is better, remember 32.5% from 3 is equivalent to 50% shooting from 2 point range.




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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#326 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:46 pm

Daniels is our best 3 point shooter. Lamb is our best overall shooter. Lamb is a better player in general too.

Daniels is smarter on defense but he has worse size than Lamb and is just as soft. Lamb is much better at rebounding. I think Lamb is better at contesting when he positions himself right, but his IQ is so bad. Daniels is easier to hide when the team defense is working because he is generally better positioned than Lamb, but he can still be just as much of a sieve at times.

Lamb has a much better all around scoring game, but Daniels is nice because he doesn't try to do anything except shoot opportunistic 3's. If he isn't going to shoot it he passes it immediately. The ball can stick with Jeremy too much sometimes.

Lamb isn't going to lose his rotation spot but whenever his head isn't in the game Daniels will get some minutes.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#327 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:53 pm

We might need to re-evaluate Kemba's ceiling. Even his biggest fans, such as myself, were starting to get diminished hopes. I came into the season thinking he maxed out as a starting PG/3rd option/secondary ballhandler on a good team. I'm starting to think he could be a 2nd option on a good team with the right setup. I still don't think you would want him running your offense as a primary ball handler, but I'm still not convinced he can't develop that aspect of his game in a year or two. Hes only 25.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#328 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:13 pm

And the fact that Kemba had this game on the road is even more amazing considering his long struggles shooting away from home. Road Kemba no more.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#329 » by bws94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:12 pm

Braggins wrote:We might need to re-evaluate Kemba's ceiling. Even his biggest fans, such as myself, were starting to get diminished hopes. I came into the season thinking he maxed out as a starting PG/3rd option/secondary ballhandler on a good team. I'm starting to think he could be a 2nd option on a good team with the right setup. I still don't think you would want him running your offense as a primary ball handler, but I'm still not convinced he can't develop that aspect of his game in a year or two. Hes only 25.


In my opinion, some guys don't reach their ceilings until they are a bit after their physical prime.

Kemba looks very impressive right now. He takes his game to the next level by increasing how he can make his teammates better and did in the last game in some wonderful ways.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#330 » by bws94 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:16 pm

Some guys I think are going to improve past their physical primes are Batum and Lin. Kemba's ceiling may coincide with his physical prime so at 28, Kemba may realize his best game. But he'll still tweak some things when he starts to lose some of his explosiveness and athleticism. Tony Parker's game has changed but he's improved some things, such as his short jumper game.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#331 » by Eoghan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:31 pm

fatlever wrote:Orlando board is completely fed up with Skiles. I guess I can understand their frustration with the GM and coach. They have all this young talent, yet Skiles is so only focused on trying to win at the expense of development. Meanwhile the GM has been in asset collection mode for 3/4 years and has acquired a lot of good, young players, however they do not fit together. Seems very similar to Cho and Clifford. They need to decide if they want to develop young players at the expense of some wins or they need to start using some young players to land some vets. Skiles will never agree to the first.

I agree, they have a pretty similar situation to Charlotte. They're some shooters (and a rim protector) away from being potentially scary. One of those shooters is getting the Skiles' rookie treatment (Hezonja) and some combo of Payton, Oladipo and Gordon need to develop into the other one(s), plus some vets/high IQ guys sprinkled in.
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Re: GT: Hornets @ Magic Fri Jan 22 7PM EST 

Post#332 » by Joest2003 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:17 am

fatlever wrote:
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fatlever wrote:When MKG comes back, I see Lamb as #4 in the SG/SF pecking order behind Batum, MKG and Lin. That leaves Lamb competing with PJ, Troy and Roberts for playing time. Now PJ should be easy to beat out for PT, but Clifford seems to love PJ, so you never know. Daniels is the best shooter on the roster, and if he becomes even remotely competent on defense, he'll be worth some minutes. Brian Roberts played better defense tonight in the 4th quarter than Lamb has played at any point during this season. Granted, its only one game and its still Roberts, but the point I'm making is the guys on the end of the bench are capable of outplaying Lamb from time to time. Lamb's spot in the rotation is not guaranteed.


The only 2 players on the team with a higher fg% than Lamb are Jefferson and Zeller who score 90% of there baskets on dunks or the post. Lamb is our best shooter and its not even close and its not a sample size like Daniels. Let Daniels keep his 3pt fg% up for 2-3 months then we will have a conversation. Because his overall fg% is not even close, theres a reason Daniels been on the bench all season.



Its impossible to have a reasonable basketball discussion with you and unlike others I am too lazy to even try.


Daniels needs a few more months of consistency before I label him a better shooter than lamb. I think he shot around 50 3s this season. That is not enough of a sample size to crown him the best shooter on the team I'm sorry. Not sure what's so unrealistic about that.

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