AtheJ415 wrote:NaturalBuns wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:We could trade: Knight, Kieff, Tucker, and Chandler to Cleveland
for: Love, Varajeo, and Mozgov.
In terms of talent, Cleveland gets a massive defensive upgrade at the 3-5 spots and offensive downgrade, but since Lebron and Irving and JR take 90% of their shots, it probably makes them a better team. They also have Knight who can be damn good if used correctly and his discipline is improved. We get Love and about $6 mill in cap space, plus another $5 when Mozgov expires. We'd have to eat Varajeo's awful deal for 1 more year, but it's unguaranteed for 2017.
Phoenix could then use cap space to go after Barnes, Fournier, or Whiteside. Not likely we get any, but we'd potentially have the space to do it.
We could also throw in Tele if needed, netting us Cunningham (at least he's young and has talent), and Kaun if more was needed.
PG--Bledsoe/Archie
SG--Booker/Bogdan/Archie
SF--Warren/Bogdan
PF--Love/Len/Leuer
C--Whiteside/Len
We'd also have our first rounder to add a PF in all likelihood, or Dunn. I'm not a huge Love fan for this team, but if we could get Whiteside somehow instead of Chandler, it would change things since our age grouping would look a hell of a lot better with 26 year old Whiteside instead of 35 year old Chandler.
That is a lowball offer from Phoenix. You can't keep a entire core and get love just not realistic. It would take 2/3 of Booker/Warren or Len along with multiple picks and markieff etc.
What do you think Cleveland is trying to do this year? Because if you think Cleveland is wanting 19 year olds and 22 year olds who are less proven over vets, then I think you're incredibly wrong. GM Lebron wants to win while Lebron has a chance at a title. Len is the only guy who has proven he would be ready to play in a playoff series, and he's not been the defensive anchor to title teams like Chandler has. If Cleveland was in any way trying to build for the future, they don't make the Mosgov trade, and they don't give out their ridiculous contracts to role players all of last year. They are going for it NOW above all else, and they nearly traded him last year, when his stock was higher, for IT and Markieff alone. The principle of "a core guy must be moved" only applies to teams who are trying to build a core. Cleveland is not trying to build a core. They are trying to tinker with a lineup to win while Lebron still has something, because their window dies with him.
But you are offering overpaid/trash/trash/overpaid for 2 former All-NBAs and an expiring. Three bigs, two of which are on good contracts, for two bigs, a bench SF, and a, well, he's either a SG who can't shoot, or a PG that won't pass. $13M x 4 yrs for a 33 YO Bench 5; $14M x 5 yrs for the combo guard who can't, uh, guard...or shoot...or assist. $8M for a eFG% of .410 and sub .300 3PT%, for 4 more years, and Tucker. When Tucker is the most valued piece of that group, and you are trading for an All-Star/All-NBA player, regardless of what one personally thinks of Love, the bottom line is, he's valuable. And I still don't understand why exactly Cleveland would trade Love; it's not as if he's a poor fit or anything. He's still producing at a decent clip. Yes, he's overpaid as well, but at least 'you' are paying for an All-Star. We are paying for an over the hill Chandler, and an ineffective Knight.
No, I can't see Cleveland wanting to take on for more years of $35M for Knight/Chandler/Kieff for the right to trade 5 more years of $22M. Again, Tucker is the best piece for them, and that's not good...
