Trade Idea Thread 15-16

Post #481 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 4:54 am

City of Trees wrote:I want Giannis

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I'd also take KAT

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Kings2013 · Post #482 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 4:58 am

City of Trees wrote:I want Giannis

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Maybe the most overrated kid in the league IMO

Batum without range/ability to see the floor

He wasn't even playing at RPM last I checked

You want him for who?

SactoKingsFan · Post #483 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:04 am

City of Trees wrote:I want Giannis

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I'd much rather have Middleton.

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Kings2013 · Post #484 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:06 am

blind prophet wrote:Any predictions with Rondo? You think he gets moved?

Early on I would have banked on the FO wanting to keep him, I'm not so sure now.

It's interesting.. I thought he was taking up for Karl because he wanted the ball in his hand, didn't want to play off ball shooter and didn't want to be held accountable for D

Well, we will see how he fits with the offense through Cousins

Post #485 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:18 am

Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:I want Giannis

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Maybe the most overrated kid in the league IMO

Batum without range/ability to see the floor

He wasn't even playing at RPM last I checked

You want him for who?

He's only 21. Not many players at that age have developed a consistent jumper. When/If he does, everyone will have a much different take on him. Everything else you want is there.

Who do I want him for? I'd take him in a Cousins package most definitely.

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Kings2013 · Post #486 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:28 am

City of Trees wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:I want Giannis

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Maybe the most overrated kid in the league IMO

Batum without range/ability to see the floor

He wasn't even playing at RPM last I checked

You want him for who?

He's only 21. Not many players at that age have developed a consistent jumper. When/If he does, everyone will have a much different take on him. Everything else you want is there.

Who do I want him for? I'd take him in a Cousins package most definitely.

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Difference of opinion I guess. If I had one player to take for free from the Bucks it would be Middleton like SKF. SG is a position of need and advanced stats favor him. But it's opinion

LightTheBeam · Post #487 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:52 am

City of Trees wrote:
blind prophet wrote:Any predictions with Rondo? You think he gets moved?

Early on I would have banked on the FO wanting to keep him, I'm not so sure now.

Rondo was Vlade's guy. I expect he stays put unless Rondo tells Vlade he won't fit post Karl.

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If that's the case and he does want out and like Dozenscousins says NYK want him, I wonder about Rondo/Belly for Grant/Afflalo?

Cousins/Koufos
WCS/Acy
Gay/Casspi
Afflalo/Ben
Collison/Grant/Curry

I wouldn't mind that if Rondo wants out. Plus we need to get Curry more minutes. I'd honestly play small and give him Andersons minutes, I can't stomach watching Anderson play much more..

Post #488 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:54 am

Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:Maybe the most overrated kid in the league IMO

Batum without range/ability to see the floor

He wasn't even playing at RPM last I checked

You want him for who?

He's only 21. Not many players at that age have developed a consistent jumper. When/If he does, everyone will have a much different take on him. Everything else you want is there.

Who do I want him for? I'd take him in a Cousins package most definitely.

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Difference of opinion I guess. If I had one player to take for free from the Bucks it would be Middleton like SKF. SG is a position of need and advanced stats favor him. But it's opinion

It's all good we can like different players.

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bibby1023 · Post #489 » by **bibby1023** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:16 am

This is this the first time since drafting Cousins that I truly believe it's time to trade the guy. Even though the recent struggle isn't the result of anything Cousins has been doing, it's the same story different season and there needs to be a bigger mix up than just another coaching change.

Post #490 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:29 am

bibby1023 wrote:This is this the first time since drafting Cousins that I truly believe it's time to trade the guy. Even though the recent struggle isn't the result of anything Cousins has been doing, it's the same story different season and there needs to be a bigger mix up than just another coaching change.

If there ever is a time to consider hitting the reset button on this team, the time is when Karl gets fired.

I'm actually open to trading everyone but WCS. There is a ton of good young talent out there and Cousins can get you a lot in return.

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Jkam31 · Post #491 » by **Jkam31** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:29 am

bibby1023 wrote:This is this the first time since drafting Cousins that I truly believe it's time to trade the guy. Even though the recent struggle isn't the result of anything Cousins has been doing, it's the same story different season and there needs to be a bigger mix up than just another coaching change.

**** that I'd rather struggle with him than see him in the playoffs taking over. Let's give it one more season with a competent coach.

And there's a lot of terrible DMC trades in here just horrible.

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sdballer · Post #492 » by **sdballer** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:32 am

Jkam31 wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:This is this the first time since drafting Cousins that I truly believe it's time to trade the guy. Even though the recent struggle isn't the result of anything Cousins has been doing, it's the same story different season and there needs to be a bigger mix up than just another coaching change.

**** that I'd rather struggle with him than see him in the playoffs taking over. Let's give it one more season with a competent coach.

And there's a lot of terrible DMC trades in here just horrible.

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The fact that there are a number of Kings fans that don't understand this logic just baffles my mind. I blame NBA2K.

Post #493 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:38 am

sdballer wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:This is this the first time since drafting Cousins that I truly believe it's time to trade the guy. Even though the recent struggle isn't the result of anything Cousins has been doing, it's the same story different season and there needs to be a bigger mix up than just another coaching change.

**** that I'd rather struggle with him than see him in the playoffs taking over. Let's give it one more season with a competent coach.

And there's a lot of terrible DMC trades in here just horrible.

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The fact that there are a number of Kings fans that don't understand this logic just baffles my mind. I blame NBA2K.

I'm sure they understand it... But every person has a number. In this case it's how many years can a fan talk himself/herself into the "one more coach for Cousins" pep talk.

sdballer · Post #494 » by **sdballer** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:46 am

City of Trees wrote:
sdballer wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
**** that I'd rather struggle with him than see him in the playoffs taking over. Let's give it one more season with a competent coach.

And there's a lot of terrible DMC trades in here just horrible.

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The fact that there are a number of Kings fans that don't understand this logic just baffles my mind. I blame NBA2K.

I'm sure they understand it... But every person has a number. In this case it's how many years can a fan talk himself/herself into the "one more coach for Cousins" pep talk.

When one of those coaches doesn't suck

Post #495 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:52 am

sdballer wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
sdballer wrote:
The fact that there are a number of Kings fans that don't understand this logic just baffles my mind. I blame NBA2K.

I'm sure they understand it... But every person has a number. In this case it's how many years can a fan talk himself/herself into the "one more coach for Cousins" pep talk.

When one of those coaches doesn't suck

Right. I've posted on that very topic today. Even so we all have different tipping points. DMC has been here now, what, six years? To say fans didn't get that logic is untrue. In year six, pro trading Cousins is a justifiable take.

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sdballer · Post #496 » by **sdballer** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 7:01 am

City of Trees wrote:
sdballer wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
I'm sure they understand it... But every person has a number. In this case it's how many years can a fan talk himself/herself into the "one more coach for Cousins" pep talk.

When one of those coaches doesn't suck

Right. I've posted on that very topic today. Even so we all have different tipping points. DMC has been here now, what, six years? To say fans didn't get that logic is untrue. In year six, pro trading Cousins is a justifiable take.

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Except it isn't. The best, most proven way to win in this league is to find at least one star, use a coach to build a system (on both ends) around them, then fill the team with the right kind of support players. That's it. Sounds simple but the talented star is the hardest part. In a small market, doubly so.

We've sucked for years because we've failed at every other part. When fans say we should start over, it's literally a crap shoot that we'll get lucky in that way, especially with our draft pick obligations. It's twice as stupid because due to the jerkoff maloofs and then global 3.0 Vivek, we haven't ever done the intelligent thing of trying to build a system that fit cuz and co rather than the whims of coaches and owners.

5 years may seem like a long time but we'd likely be committing to that again with a rebuild and have no guarantee we'd get another cuz level talent.

Post #497 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 7:09 am

sdballer wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
sdballer wrote:
When one of those coaches doesn't suck

Right. I've posted on that very topic today. Even so we all have different tipping points. DMC has been here now, what, six years? To say fans didn't get that logic is untrue. In year six, pro trading Cousins is a justifiable take.

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Except it isn't. The best, most proven way to win in this league is to find at least one star, use a coach to build a system (on both ends) around them, then fill the team with the right kind of support players. That's it. Sounds simple but the talented star is the hardest part. In a small market, doubly so.

We've sucked for years because we've failed at every other part. When fans say we should start over, it's literally a crap shoot that we'll get lucky in that way, especially with our draft pick obligations. It's twice as stupid because due to the jerkoff maloofs and then global 3.0 Vivek, we haven't ever done the intelligent thing of trying to build a system that fit cuz and co rather than the whims of coaches and owners.

5 years may seem like a long time but we'd likely be committing to that again with a rebuild and have no guarantee we'd get another cuz level talent.

I hate to break it to you but the Kings are still in rebuild mode, and if you think they're not go look up the last time they won over 30 games.

So basically you're saying you can't trade Cousins because you need a Star to win. Needing a Star to win, ok fair point. Solution: trade Cousins for a Star or future Star? I know I know , but its risky to trade for a young player and hope he develops, plus nothings guaranteed, maybe he never develops? That's why we all love sports.

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Kings2013 · Post #498 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 4:17 pm

City of Trees wrote:
sdballer wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Right. I've posted on that very topic today. Even so we all have different tipping points. DMC has been here now, what, six years? To say fans didn't get that logic is untrue. In year six, pro trading Cousins is a justifiable take.

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Except it isn't. The best, most proven way to win in this league is to find at least one star, use a coach to build a system (on both ends) around them, then fill the team with the right kind of support players. That's it. Sounds simple but the talented star is the hardest part. In a small market, doubly so.

We've sucked for years because we've failed at every other part. When fans say we should start over, it's literally a crap shoot that we'll get lucky in that way, especially with our draft pick obligations. It's twice as stupid because due to the jerkoff maloofs and then global 3.0 Vivek, we haven't ever done the intelligent thing of trying to build a system that fit cuz and co rather than the whims of coaches and owners.

5 years may seem like a long time but we'd likely be committing to that again with a rebuild and have no guarantee we'd get another cuz level talent.

I hate to break it to you but the Kings are still in rebuild mode, and if you think they're not go look up the last time they won over 30 games.

So basically you're saying you can't trade Cousins because you need a Star to win. Needing a Star to win, ok fair point. Solution: trade Cousins for a Star or future Star? I know I know , but its risky to trade for a young player and hope he develops, plus nothings guaranteed, maybe he never develops? That's why we all love sports.

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You have a potential top 5 player in hand now, no question marks

How many coaches the Kings have had to me isn't relevant to Cousins, as I believe Westphal and now Karl are the only ones he had strong personal differences with

Cousins has only been at the level he's been at for 2 years. This and last. Last was sabotaged with the Malone firing and this year with a coach who deliberately didn't accommodate him with his game plan

We are going to see what it is once everything is on the same page, as I believe the current FO/ownership share the same view on his talent, but we'll see

GopherIt! · Post #499 » by **GopherIt!** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 5:47 pm

Shabazz Muhammad and Gorgui Dieng for WCS. Dieng was been outstanding since he moved back into a starting role. He's the third option right now behind Wiggins & KAT ( Zach has been coming off the bench.)

Love the fit of KAT/WCS. I know you guys love him too. Just seeing what could possibly work. Minny needs to consolidate a couple of guys into someone who is a better fit.

Post #500 » by **codydaze** » Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:47 pm

GopherIt! wrote:Shabazz Muhammad and Gorgui Dieng for WCS. Dieng was been outstanding since he moved back into a starting role. He's the third option right now behind Wiggins & KAT ( Zach has been coming off the bench.)

Love the fit of KAT/WCS. I know you guys love him too. Just seeing what could possibly work. Minny needs to consolidate a couple of guys into someone who is a better fit.

I think the consensus here is that WCS is untouchable. First draft win we've had since Cousins. I would rather look to get Lavine back instead of Shabazz in that scenario.