Henry Ellenson?

[hcsilla]

He's got a bunch of potential, but like a lot of freshman it's going to depend on changing his body for the nba. I think he shows a bunch of similarities to Love, people forget job pudgy Love was in college. I think if Elleson can put on muscle similar to Love he might even be a better rebounder, that's a big if though. Their low post game is very similar, Love was a better shooter his freshman year but Elleson is starting to shoot at a higher %. I think Elleson could very well go in the top five.

Right, there are similarities, but there are significant differences. Love's skill level was off the charts for a freshman. He wasn't just a great shooter and rebounder, he was a great outlet passer, perimeter passer, and interior passer. Every move he made on the offensive end, he was a step ahead of his opponent. And his defense was lousy. Ellenson isn't at the offensive level Love was, but he's developing into a player who should be solid defensively, imo.

I don't think at all that Love is a good comparison for Ellenson.

Ellenson is longer and weaker, better ballandler and quicker. Love was a better, more dominant post-up player and rebounder.

I don't really see any similarities other than both being white and good shooter.

Ellenson seems to me a versatile PF/combo F ala Detlef Scrempf or a better, more versatile version of Josh McRoberts.

[rick_21]

I like the Josh McRoberts comparison.

Ellenson is probably stronger, but not as good athlete as McRoberts was in his prime, however is one of the best comparisons I've seen for him.

[No-Man]

Completely torched by Bentil tonite who is an average athlete, but has a knack for scoring and is really aggressive.
I have tons of doubts about Ellenson position at the next level.

[rick_21]

He has to improve his conditioning and quickness, and be able to play PF without being a complete defensive liability. If he can't do that, he probably won't have a meaningful role in the NBA.

I don't see him being succesful playing C full time.

[Johnlac1]

He has to improve his conditioning and quickness, and be able to play PF without being a complete defensive liability. If he can't do that, he probably won't have a meaningful role in the NBA.

I don't see him being succesful playing C full time.

He'll probably be a better def. player than Kevin Love, the player he's most compared with. Both are excellent rebounders, but Ellenson is longer and can actually block shots...although he probably won't do that much in the pros. Like Love, he has a good post up game and can hook with both hands. Plus, he can put the ball on the floor. While not real athletic he's a little more athletic than Kelly Olynyk and Frank Kaminsky...two other stretch fours who can put the ball on the floor.

[No-Man]

Olynyk and Kaminsky are much more fluid and move much better than Ellenson while been both clearly bigger.

[Coeur]

This guys a stud. More than worth a top 10 pick. He's a PF without a doubt. It's gone from teams willing to trade a "superstar" for the "Brooklyn pick" to you should feel really lucky if your team take a top 10 pick on this guy.

[HotelVitale]

It's gone from teams willing to trade a "superstar" for the "Brooklyn pick" to you should feel really lucky if your team take a top 10 pick on this guy.

What?

[No-Man]

Other than 2 inches in wingspan how is Ellenson a better prospect than Tyler Lydon, for example.

[Ruzious]

Other than 2 inches in wingspan how is Ellenson a better prospect than Tyler Lydon, for example.

How much do you think Ellenson weighs, and how much do you think Lydon weighs - approximately?

[Johnlac1]

Olynyk and Kaminsky are much more fluid and move much better than Ellenson while been both clearly bigger.

I only saw about seventy Badger games the two previous seasons. Ellenson moves better than Kaminsky, and I'm a big Kaminsky fan. Ellenson moves better than both of Kaminsky and Olynyk.

[No-Man]

Other than 2 inches in wingspan how is Ellenson a better prospect than Tyler Lydon, for example.

How much do you think Ellenson weighs, and how much do you think Lydon weighs - approximately?

Ellenson 30-4lbs more than Lydon I guess.

[Ruzious]

Other than 2 inches in wingspan how is Ellenson a better prospect than Tyler Lydon, for example.

How much do you think Ellenson weighs, and how much do you think Lydon weighs - approximately?

Ellenson 30-4lbs more than Lydon I guess.

Right, and that makes a big difference - though Lydon is likely to add more weight and is probably underrated. Ellenson is a lot stronger than some people seem to think he is, and he'll also continue to get stronger. He's going to be more versatile, because he'll be big enough to play center.

[Saints14]

Maybe it's the Love comparisons, but he seems like he'd be good value/fit in Minnesota

[old rem]

I like Ellenson, but I don't love him. I see him getting around 6 or 7 rebounds per game in his prime because he isn't great at boxing out and is a little soft on defense. He's agile for someone at that height and should be good at pick and roll as well as pick and pop. In the right system he can be a really good scorer. I don't think he can play in an offense with quick pace.

A guy I think may play another year in college. More SKILLSET than hyper Athlete. Versatile but not real "power" guy.

Nice potential. May never be a "star" but can FIT somewhere as a TEAM guy.

[bwgood77]

Kevin Love 2.0

I don't think he's the rebounder Love is.

I like the Ryno comp, although with less range right now.

Well in college as a freshman, he's damn close.

Love - 17.5 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 1.9apg, .7spg, 1.4bpg
Ellenson - 16.6 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.8 apg, .9 spg, 1.7 bpg

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-love-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/henry-ellenson-1.html

And obviously you should only expect a freshman's stats to get better throughout the season, so Ellenson's #s will probably look a bit better than they do now at the end of the year.

[bwgood77]

Olynyk and Kaminsky are much more fluid and move much better than Ellenson while been both clearly bigger.

I only saw about seventy Badger games the two previous seasons. Ellenson moves better than Kaminsky, and I'm a big Kaminsky fan. Ellenson moves better than both of Kaminsky and Olynyk.

Exactly, and I mean, compare Ellenson and Kaminsky as freshmen. What did Kaminsky do then? Like 3 ppg? He didn't start blossoming until mid junior year or so did he? Ellenson already putting up similar numbers (except for 3pt shooting) as a freshman.

Edit: I was wrong...Kaminsky scored 1.8 ppg as a freshman. He also shot 28% from 3. I imagine Ellenson's 3 ball will improve with time.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-kaminsky-1.html

[No-Man]

He is not as fluid as Love was, and he has less potential physically, I mean Love was fat and he got in game shape in the NBA, Ellenson is longer and projects more as a stretch five to me, he is stiffer and moves worse.
I like him if he figures out his shooting and bulks up to play C, he could be somewhat similar to Vin Baker.
If he stays at the PF, the physical profile and his game reminds of Ilyasova.
Talking best case of course.

[Johnlac1]

Olynyk and Kaminsky are much more fluid and move much better than Ellenson while been both clearly bigger.

I only saw about seventy Badger games the two previous seasons. Ellenson moves better than Kaminsky, and I'm a big Kaminsky fan. Ellenson moves better than both of Kaminsky and Olynyk.

Exactly, and I mean, compare Ellenson and Kaminsky as freshmen. What did Kaminsky do then? Like 3 ppg? He didn't start blossoming until mid junior year or so did he? Ellenson already putting up similar numbers (except for 3pt shooting) as a freshman.

Edit: I was wrong...Kaminsky scored 1.8 ppg as a freshman. He also shot 28% from 3. I imagine Ellenson's 3 ball will improve with time.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-kaminsky-1.html

Frank had a decent game or two as a soph,, but absolutely nobody was forecasting what he would turn into. Maybe there were a few insiders who thought he turn out like he did, but I'll admit to thinking the ceiling for Frank was a solid starter with maybe 10-11 ppg and 7-8 rbds, He fooled us all.
Ellenson is certainly far ahead of Frank at this time. Ellenson is not a great athlete, but he's a very good one with long arms, excellent timing, and a lot of moves and shots.

[bwgood77]

I only saw about seventy Badger games the two previous seasons. Ellenson moves better than Kaminsky, and I'm a big Kaminsky fan. Ellenson moves better than both of Kaminsky and Olynyk.

Exactly, and I mean, compare Ellenson and Kaminsky as freshmen. What did Kaminsky do then? Like 3 ppg? He didn't start blossoming until mid junior year or so did he? Ellenson already putting up similar numbers (except for 3pt shooting) as a freshman.

Edit: I was wrong...Kaminsky scored 1.8 ppg as a freshman. He also shot 28% from 3. I imagine Ellenson's 3 ball will improve with time.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-kaminsky-1.html

Frank had a decent game or two as a soph,, but absolutely nobody was forecasting what he would turn into. Maybe there were a few insiders who thought he turn out like he did, but I'll admit to thinking the ceiling for Frank was a solid starter with maybe 10-11 ppg and 7-8 rbds, He fooled us all.
Ellenson is certainly far ahead of Frank at this time. Ellenson is not a great athlete, but he's a very good one with long arms, excellent timing, and a lot of moves and shots.

I remember once I looked at a Wisconsin box score when he was a jr, probably fairly early in the year, and he had monster stats...like over 40 points with a bunch of 3s and blocks...so I pulled up to see how tall he was, and then looked at all the draft mock sites, and noticed he wasn't even on ANY sites at that point for even the 2015 draft...not even the top 60.

Ellenson, as a freshman, a little more than midway through conference play is projected 4th in some mocks already. There is quite a bit of difference in them if you compare them at the same point in time in their careers.