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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#141 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:50 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I know most of my predictions have revolved around the Nets, so, let's keep it moving lol...

I could see the Nets making a move for Evan Fournier if Orlando doesn't find a big deal for Oladipo.

Maybe Bogdanovic with possibly RHJ in there for him.

It would make a lot of sense for both teams, as long as, as expected, Orlando is not looking to retain Fournier at his likely high price tag.

His cap hold would only be $5,720,512 for Brooklyn as long as he doesn't sign an offer sheet. Orlando would pick up a poor man's Fournier and if RHJ is in there, a Tony Allen type prospect on the first year of his late round rookie scale deal.


Payton
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Aaron Gordon

might be the worst shooting foursome not on the Sixers. :)
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#142 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:58 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I know most of my predictions have revolved around the Nets, so, let's keep it moving lol...

I could see the Nets making a move for Evan Fournier if Orlando doesn't find a big deal for Oladipo.

Maybe Bogdanovic with possibly RHJ in there for him.

It would make a lot of sense for both teams, as long as, as expected, Orlando is not looking to retain Fournier at his likely high price tag.

His cap hold would only be $5,720,512 for Brooklyn as long as he doesn't sign an offer sheet. Orlando would pick up a poor man's Fournier and if RHJ is in there, a Tony Allen type prospect on the first year of his late round rookie scale deal.


Payton
Oladipo
RHJ
Aaron Gordon

might be the worst shooting foursome not on the Sixers. :)

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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#143 » by Mr Puddles » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:17 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
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chance at ben simmons for brook lopez? not sure....

i think that becomes really unlikely when you consider fit with brook in boston


Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez

Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Lopez without at least one dead legit blue chip piece coming back, so this is a no go.

From Boston they would need back their pick in this draft and the swap option removed in 2017.


Sorry to say this but I think you're desperately overrating Brook Lopez if you think he can get the nets 2 unprotected picks. In my proposed deal the Nets would get two good young prospects, address their gap at the PG position, receive a first rounder and a ton of cap space to rebuild. The Nets would have enough cap space to sign two max contracts in the offseason and proporly start their rebuilding process around a combination of talent and youth.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#144 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:36 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez

Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Lopez without at least one dead legit blue chip piece coming back, so this is a no go.

From Boston they would need back their pick in this draft and the swap option removed in 2017.


Sorry to say this but I think you're desperately overrating Brook Lopez if you think he can get the nets 2 unprotected picks. In my proposed deal the Nets would get two good young prospects, address their gap at the PG position, receive a first rounder and a ton of cap space to rebuild. The Nets would have enough cap space to sign two max contracts in the offseason and proporly start their rebuilding process around a combination of talent and youth.

Your deal gives the Nets a bunch of mediocre to bad quantity over quality. You're convoluting things way out of context when you say "if you think he can get the Nets 2 unprotected picks.", as if we're just going to pretend they aren't the Nets picks to begin with and so without them how could you possibly expect the Nets to trade their best player to become literally all time bad with a completely barren roster, devoid of any good prospect or draw for potential free agents?

I'm not even saying Boston would deal that for him, but why would Brooklyn accept less?

And the Nets will be around 2 to 3 million away from 2 max slots as is, as long as they can trade Bogdanovic for an expiring and the guys like Bargnani decline their player options, as is expected.

What good is all that extra cap if no one will sign there? Teams still have to spend 90% of it.

What good is being bad and tanking if Boston owns our draft picks?

And I don't think I'm desperately overrating Brook Lopez, he's one of the best young centers in the game. He's not a standalone player who will carry a bad team, but he's a great piece for an already very good team.


Your offer is a middling offer for a team looking to blow it up, a team who can actually properly tank with control of their own draft picks in the present and the future.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#145 » by Mich3006 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:36 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez


Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Lopez without at least one dead legit blue chip piece coming back, so this is a no go.

From Boston they would need back their pick in this draft and the swap option removed in 2017.


Sorry to say this but I think you're desperately overrating Brook Lopez if you think he can get the nets 2 unprotected picks. In my proposed deal the Nets would get two good young prospects, address their gap at the PG position, receive a first rounder and a ton of cap space to rebuild. The Nets would have enough cap space to sign two max contracts in the offseason and proporly start their rebuilding process around a combination of talent and youth.

That deal would be solid for every team imo, one of the best predictions so far #thumbsup
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#146 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:23 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Also Boston has plenty of trade chips to be able to make this happen without having to include the Nets pick, especially if a third team is involved. E.g. something centered around:

Utah get:
Bradley

Nets get:
Olynyk, Lyles, Trey Burke, Mavs 2016

Celtics get:
Lopez

Seems fair for all parties involved. Utah gets a much needed PG and in the process solidifies itself as one of the premier defensive teams in the league.

Nets get an influx of youth and clear salary space for this offseason.

Boston gets a go to post scorer in Lopez without hurting their debt much

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Lopez without at least one dead legit blue chip piece coming back, so this is a no go.

From Boston they would need back their pick in this draft and the swap option removed in 2017.


Sorry to say this but I think you're desperately overrating Brook Lopez if you think he can get the nets 2 unprotected picks. In my proposed deal the Nets would get two good young prospects, address their gap at the PG position, receive a first rounder and a ton of cap space to rebuild. The Nets would have enough cap space to sign two max contracts in the offseason and proporly start their rebuilding process around a combination of talent and youth.


its a terrible deal for the nets.

the nets dont need young players. they need veteran plays... starters, talented guys. not more youth, not some stop gap like burke. if lopez is traded it needs to be for someone of substance or a pick of substance.

maybe no one offers that, which is certainly possible if not likely. but in that case, the nets simply hold on to him. selling low on lopez doesnt make sense given our situation. and we still have the cap room with him staying to sign players
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#147 » by sendai91 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:52 pm

The difference between Bradley (16 / 3 / 2 / 1.6 per 36, 13.2 PER, 38% from 3) and Burke ( 18/3/4, 1 per 36, 15.4 PER, 34% from 3) isn't so overwhelming to warrant including Trey Lyles. Plus - the Jazz would be on the hook for $15 mil of Bradley after this year as opposed to $3 mil for Burke after this year. That contract might mean the Jazz can't extend one of Hayward / Favors / Gobert / Hood, all of whom the Jazz value more highly than Bradley. Without question, Bradley is certainly a better defender and a little taller than Burke. But he's not worth the contract if he's going to play behind Exum next year anyway. Giving up on Lyles in addition to Bradley's contract ( perfectly reasonable though for the 35 mpg he's giving Boston) causes the Jazz to pass.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#148 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:24 pm

One that keeps popping into my head is Brook Lopez for DeMarcus Cousins. I would think this was a lot closer to reality if George Karl had more say and job security in Sacto, so this is probably a totally rubbish prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#149 » by youngcrev » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:46 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:One that keeps popping into my head is Brook Lopez for DeMarcus Cousins. I would think this was a lot closer to reality if George Karl had more say and job security in Sacto, so this is probably a totally rubbish prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen.


Wait... what?
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#150 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:21 am

So Markieff is fighting with teammates during a game. Prediction: Suns can't trade him and end up waiving and stretching him at a later date.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#151 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:22 am

youngcrev wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:One that keeps popping into my head is Brook Lopez for DeMarcus Cousins. I would think this was a lot closer to reality if George Karl had more say and job security in Sacto, so this is probably a totally rubbish prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen.


Wait... what?


Take a worse, older player who has had major injuries. Make sure he's paid considerably more. Add no assets (Nets don't have any) and of course you get a superstar. Really don't know what's hard to understand here. :crazy:
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#152 » by Ell Curry » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:45 am

sendai91 wrote:The difference between Bradley (16 / 3 / 2 / 1.6 per 36, 13.2 PER, 38% from 3) and Burke ( 18/3/4, 1 per 36, 15.4 PER, 34% from 3) isn't so overwhelming to warrant including Trey Lyles. Plus - the Jazz would be on the hook for $15 mil of Bradley after this year as opposed to $3 mil for Burke after this year. That contract might mean the Jazz can't extend one of Hayward / Favors / Gobert / Hood, all of whom the Jazz value more highly than Bradley. Without question, Bradley is certainly a better defender and a little taller than Burke. But he's not worth the contract if he's going to play behind Exum next year anyway. Giving up on Lyles in addition to Bradley's contract ( perfectly reasonable though for the 35 mpg he's giving Boston) causes the Jazz to pass.



Not really commenting on the specifics, but I love Bradley for Utah.

Having Bradley + Exum defending Curry, Paul, Parker and Westbrook, with Gobert and Favors inside, gives Utah a chance to win a series by keeping the scores in the low 90s or even high 80s, doing what Cleveland did in the finals in the first few games. Otherwise, is there an upset out there for them?

Bradley + Exum for 48 minutes - over 7 games - harassing those guys would be serious. We saw in the Clips series that the Spurs (minus Aldridge, obviously, but with a better Green and younger TD) can be beat without Parker playing. OKC Is a 2 man team. Curry is the best player in --- don't want to derail the thread. He's good is my point. And Paul is still a great player who runs that team. You aren't shutting them down, but 30 minutes of Bradley and 18 minutes of Exum being gnats could **** one up for 3 or 4 games, and then you have a chance.

Otherwise, can Utah really think they can win a series in the next year or 3?
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#153 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:One that keeps popping into my head is Brook Lopez for DeMarcus Cousins. I would think this was a lot closer to reality if George Karl had more say and job security in Sacto, so this is probably a totally rubbish prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen.


Wait... what?


Take a worse, older player who has had major injuries. Make sure he's paid considerably more. Add no assets (Nets don't have any) and of course you get a superstar. Really don't know what's hard to understand here. :crazy:

Kind of has a feel like Stephon Marbury for J Kidd, or Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#154 » by Kings2013 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:58 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Wait... what?


Take a worse, older player who has had major injuries. Make sure he's paid considerably more. Add no assets (Nets don't have any) and of course you get a superstar. Really don't know what's hard to understand here. :crazy:

Kind of has a feel like Stephon Marbury for J Kidd, or Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton.


I don't think so
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#155 » by JPlowright_NBA » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:28 am

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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#156 » by sportscrazy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:38 pm

The closer it gets to the deadline, the more I think these rumors are just a tease this year and the deadline will be a total dud.

That being said, there should be some semi-interesting names as veteran buy-outs this year (David Lee, Joe Johnson, J.J. Hickson... Maybe Ty Lawson, Roy Hibbert, Lance Stephenson, Markieff Morris (stretched if another incident or two arises?)?)
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#157 » by Austincys21 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:01 am

Ryan Anderson, Kendrick Perkins nd Eric Gordon to the Magic for Channing Frye, Jason Smith, CJ Watson, Andrew Nicholson and 2016 1st Rd pick top 5 protected

Payton I Napier
Oldiapo I EGordon I Hezonja
Harris I Fournier I Marble I Babbitt
Anderson I AGordon
Vucevic I Dedmon I Perkins



Jrue Holiday and Dante Cunningham to the Bucks for OJ Mayo, Grevis Vasquez, and 2016 1st Rd pick

Holiday I MCW I Ennis
Middleton I Bayless I Vaughn
Freak I Cunningham I Inglis
Parker I Henson I Copeland
Monroe I Plumee I OBryant


The Pelicans end up trading 3 of their best players to rebuild. They've been hit with the injury flu. Here they get proj picks of 8 from MIL and 11 of ORL.

Pelicans end up drafting
6. Kris Dunn
8. Buddy Hield
11. Diamond Stone
39. Perry Ellis

They still will have a good amount of money for FA to pursue. A good fit I like and they should go after hard is Harrison Barnes
Next year:
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Evans I Hield I Dejean-Jones
Barnes I Pondexter I Gee
Davis I Frye I Ellis
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#158 » by sportscrazy » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:23 pm

The latest I'm hearing has the Nets deciding to recover as many draft picks as possible through trading Lopez and/or Young while also creating tons of cap space this summer.

Thaddeus Young for Patrick Patterson, Delon Wright and Toronto's 2016 First Round Draft Pick

I'm having trouble finding a good match for a Brook Lopez deal.
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Re: Trade deadline predictions 

Post#159 » by stitches » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:00 pm

I don't think Utah is trading Lyles, Burks and Burke are more realistic trade chips.
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Post#160 » by GANGSTERDOG » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:36 pm

Austincys21 wrote:Ryan Anderson, Kendrick Perkins nd Eric Gordon to the Magic for Channing Frye, Jason Smith, CJ Watson, Andrew Nicholson and 2016 1st Rd pick top 5 protected

Payton I Napier
Oldiapo I EGordon I Hezonja
Harris I Fournier I Marble I Babbitt
Anderson I AGordon
Vucevic I Dedmon I Perkins



Jrue Holiday and Dante Cunningham to the Bucks for OJ Mayo, Grevis Vasquez, and 2016 1st Rd pick

Holiday I MCW I Ennis
Middleton I Bayless I Vaughn
Freak I Cunningham I Inglis
Parker I Henson I Copeland
Monroe I Plumee I OBryant


The Pelicans end up trading 3 of their best players to rebuild. They've been hit with the injury flu. Here they get proj picks of 8 from MIL and 11 of ORL.

Pelicans end up drafting
6. Kris Dunn
8. Buddy Hield
11. Diamond Stone
39. Perry Ellis

They still will have a good amount of money for FA to pursue. A good fit I like and they should go after hard is Harrison Barnes
Next year:
Dunn I Watson I Douglas
Evans I Hield I Dejean-Jones
Barnes I Pondexter I Gee
Davis I Frye I Ellis
Stone I Asik I Anjica

I dont understnd it for the magic? We give away our best Veteran who has won us at least 3 games, a 1st round pick, our backup PG, A neutral value player, and Channing Frye for a Channing Frye Clone, a Useless Body , and a Injured wing with a big Conract? Why?
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