Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[No-Man]

To me that duo is a better hedge than banking on Jaylen to be an elite offensive player. He and Murray are both pretty risky in that 5-8 range - easily could be low impact specialists.

agreed, especially on Murray, if his feel for the game and athleticism doesnt translate/improve he could easily become OJ Mayo/Randy Foye.

[bucknersrevenge]

Brown's jumper is nowhere near NBA ready, so you are kooking at a steep offensive growth curve. Unlike Winslow, he has very little feel for the game offensively.

He's a willing defender and a smart kid, but we have no idea what he can contribute if he can't develop into a go-to scorer - which is all he's shown he knows to date.

His defensive upside and positional versatility is something I'd bet on if forced to select at 5-6, but i'd be more comfortable moving down and drafting a player like Korkmaz and picking up another asset to try and trade back up to get Luwawu.

To me that duo is a better hedge than banking on Jaylen to be an elite offensive player. He and Murray are both pretty risky in that 5-8 range - easily could be low impact specialists.

Bill, I was curious to get your thoughts on Poetl?

[No-Man]

Jordan Mickey uh!? who knew? a few of us in this board did last year, I remember bows been a believer as well, If I am not mistaken.

[165bows]

Jordan Mickey uh!? who knew? a few of us in this board did last year, I remember bows been a believer as well, If I am not mistaken.

No I can't take any credit there. I barely knew who he was until you mentioned him.

[KqWIN]

I'm not a draft head, but as a fellow Ute I've been able to follow Poetl's career closely. I find the inconsistencies in his scouting reports very amusing. I think people are trying too hard to put him into boxes.

[BfB]

Brown's jumper is nowhere near NBA ready, so you are kooking at a steep offensive growth curve. Unlike Winslow, he has very little feel for the game offensively.

He's a willing defender and a smart kid, but we have no idea what he can contribute if he can't develop into a go-to scorer - which is all he's shown he knows to date.

His defensive upside and positional versatility is something I'd bet on if forced to select at 5-6, but i'd be more comfortable moving down and drafting a player like Korkmaz and picking up another asset to try and trade back up to get Luwawu.

To me that duo is a better hedge than banking on Jaylen to be an elite offensive player. He and Murray are both pretty risky in that 5-8 range - easily could be low impact specialists.

Bill, I was curious to get your thoughts on Poetl?

Poetl is an interesting player. His agility for his size would be a big help to Boston's need for an interior defender with better size than our main rotation. He's not "long" per se, but he has excellent timing and defensive instincts. His feet and his head are his best attributes.

I don't know if he's going to be a plus rebounder or even a great shot-blocker in the NBA, but he will be a plus defender who'll hold his own on the glass. Offensively, he doesn't look like any type of high upside scoring threat and he hasn't really been asked - or shown - great range, so he is easiest to project as a rim-rolling, garbage man...what you see in college isn't always all there is to be seen however.

Around the basket he's been semi-inconsistent finishing plays, but I actually like his instincts down low and I think he may really surprise in this area over time once he's in the NBA and playing off of other players as a role player. I like his intent on most of his attempts at the basket and I think his footwork and body control allude to better results down the road if he is inclined to keep working at it.

In a PnR league, being smart, moving with purpose, and having the athleticism to do it with quickness can get a lot done. As his body continues to mature under NBA S&T work, I like what he can bring to a quality team.

Overall though, I think BOS has a need for:

- Scoring
- Rebounding
- Interior Defense
- Shooting

In that order. I'm not sure if Poetl is a significant upgrade to more than one of those 4 needs and I think there are many alternatives on the FA market to help improve the length and interior defense of the team.

I'm going to assume that the BKN pick will be traded to fill the scoring/rebounding need for now. I'd like the BOS/DAL/PHI/MIN picks to be packaged together in some combination to help get 2 players that will offset the potential loss of existing players:

- Hernangomez: 4/3 man, rebounding, shooting, scoring
- Korkmaz: 2 man, scoring, shooting
- Luwawu: 3/2 man, shooting and defense

[SirTankalot]

If Nets pick falls out of top 5, Deyonta Davis should merit some discussion. Best rim protector in the draft, really good defensive player overall that moves his very feet well and can rebound. For the purpose of comparison, some college freshmen (since 2009-10) that entered the league after one year of college who had block percentage over 10%, offensive rebound percentage over 10%, and defense rebound percentage over 20%.

Anthony Davis - 13.7 BLK%, 11.6 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Nerlens Noel - 13.2 BLK%, 10.4 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%
Hassan Whiteside - 18.8 BLK%, 11.9 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Joel Embiid - 11.7 BLK%, 12.7 ORB%, 27.3 DRB%
Karl-Anthony Towns - 11.5 BLK%, 14.2 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%

Deyonta Davis - 11.2 BLK%, 13.7 ORB%, 20.1 DRB%

[jmr07019]

If Nets pick falls out of top 5, Deyonta Davis should merit some discussion. Best rim protector in the draft, really good defensive player overall that moves his very feet well and can rebound. For the purpose of comparison, some college freshmen (since 2009-10) that entered the league after one year of college who had block percentage over 10%, offensive rebound percentage over 10%, and defense rebound percentage over 20%.

Anthony Davis - 13.7 BLK%, 11.6 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Nerlens Noel - 13.2 BLK%, 10.4 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%
Hassan Whiteside - 18.8 BLK%, 11.9 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Joel Embiid - 11.7 BLK%, 12.7 ORB%, 27.3 DRB%
Karl-Anthony Towns - 11.5 BLK%, 14.2 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%

Deyonta Davis - 11.2 BLK%, 13.7 ORB%, 20.1 DRB%

[Gomes3PC]

If Nets pick falls out of top 5, Deyonta Davis should merit some discussion. Best rim protector in the draft, really good defensive player overall that moves his very feet well and can rebound. For the purpose of comparison, some college freshmen (since 2009-10) that entered the league after one year of college who had block percentage over 10%, offensive rebound percentage over 10%, and defense rebound percentage over 20%.

Anthony Davis - 13.7 BLK%, 11.6 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Nerlens Noel - 13.2 BLK%, 10.4 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%
Hassan Whiteside - 18.8 BLK%, 11.9 ORB%, 23.8 DRB%
Joel Embiid - 11.7 BLK%, 12.7 ORB%, 27.3 DRB%
Karl-Anthony Towns - 11.5 BLK%, 14.2 ORB%, 22.3 DRB%

Deyonta Davis - 11.2 BLK%, 13.7 ORB%, 20.1 DRB%

Helps he was basically playing in a JV league but yeah, ridiculous nonetheless.

[Wes-J]

Davis is miles away from being ready. Mickey was far more advanced and he can hardly sniff the court.

[Wes-J]

I should say i prefer Mickey, don't need Davis.

[No-Man]

Derrick Jones Jr. ACT has been deemed cancelled and thus he is ineligible to play any longer, with this and Dave Rice getting fired early in the season, he might decide to declare, he is raw but like I said, best athlete in this class.

[mbsnmisc]

Derrick Jones Jr. ACT has been deemed cancelled and thus he is ineligible to play any longer, with this and Dave Rice getting fired early in the season, he might decide to declare, he is raw but like I said, best athlete in this class.

That young man has HOPS. Any of you college guys have an opinion on skill/fit/draft position ?

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, he can jump. What happened with his ACT? He came from a Catholic school in the Philly area. They don't usually screw up on the academic front. Did he graduate?

Someone tell me about the 7-2 Chinese stringbean Zhou Qi, who is averaging 8 boards and five blocks in 23 minutes in the CBA. Is he really only 20 years old? He should be available in the 20's, along with Ivica Zubac, another 7 footer.

[No-Man]

Yes, he can jump. What happened with his ACT? He came from a Catholic school in the Philly area. They don't usually screw up on the academic front. Did he graduate?

Someone tell me about the 7-2 Chinese stringbean Zhou Qi, who is averaging 8 boards and five blocks in 23 minutes in the CBA. Is he really only 20 years old? He should be available in the 20's, along with Ivica Zubac, another 7 footer.

There are a ton of rumors that put him at 23 or so, I dont know what to believe, but after Yi... plus chinese guys normally are not let to declare until they are eligible, he is likely out until next year.

Zubac is a stud, insane potential, and I was one of the guys that was high early on on Nurkic in his year's draft, Zubac is less athletic, but still mobile, huge and more disciplined.

[MaxwellSmart]

I'm on board with Bender I guess.....unless of course we move up...We missed out on Porzingas 2 years ago--when he withdrew from draft....would be nice to have him instead of James Young.

[165bows]

Ed Isaacson's write up on Denzel Valentine. He's more optimistic than most on his defense. Rates him a 9-17th pick value.

https://hoopshabit.com/2016/03/02/scouting-report-denzel-valentine/

[No-Man]

Ed Isaacson's write up on Denzel Valentine. He's more optimistic than most on his defense. Rates him a 9-17th pick value.

https://hoopshabit.com/2016/03/02/scouting-report-denzel-valentine/

I see him as a pure wing, likely a SF, I think he is a bit too high on him as a playmaker, he is a good passer but he is not going to be an on the ball player at the next level.
He actually talks about him as a versatile G, I honestly dont see him there.

[SirTankalot]

Davis is miles away from being ready. Mickey was far more advanced and he can hardly sniff the court.

No he wasn't. He just played more minutes on a worse college team.

[No-Man]

Davis is miles away from being ready. Mickey was far more advanced and he can hardly sniff the court.

No he wasn't. He just played more minutes on a worse college team.

ROFL, Mickey was far more advanced than Deyonta Davis