2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread II

[Foye]

What a waste of time this Frankfurt - Schalke game has been.

Lol, why are you watching that?

Think I'm going to catch the Wolves/Mavs game tonight. Towns **** us up the other night dude. That guy is special.

I wanted to see whether Schalke can put Frankfurt in panic mode.

Yeah, Towns was pretty insane against the Pelicans today, too.

[Det the Threat]

Schalke's best players are still extremely young, and they rely on a lot of them; their defense is as decimated by injuries as yours or Bayern's; and their only forward worth a damn is ECMC. I've been watching a lot of them this year...because I <3 LeGo and I was curious how Breitenreiter would do at this level...and they can be frustrating; but I actually think they've gotten pretty solid results in the league given that youth, injury crisis in defense and poor striking options. Although failing to score in Ukraine and **** the bed at home to Shakhtar was ugly.

If no one pays that absurd fee for Sane this summer, and Heidel works his magic to bolster their options up front and at CB (and/or Kehrer is ready sooner than expected); they should be much more consistently fluid next season...although they should be playing a 4-3-1-2 with

ECMC - Sane
Meyer
LeGo - PEH
Geis

in front of the backline.

I'm sorry but I don't buy into that "they're young" line.
Besides Sané all of their younger players are already somewhat expierenced as they've played some Bundesliga games already.
If that was a thing then we shouldn't be anywhere near the top six with all of our injuries, a coaching change and a way smaller budget.

We're also playing guys like Dahoud, Christensen, Elvedi etc. and our captain's 23 years of age.

The thing I meant to say was that with all their fincial resources, they still aren't able to field a team with an identity which can outplay other teams, but rather needs their big money guys to somehow squeeze one in the net.

I mean, I can't see any casual fan looking at the schedule and telling themselves that, Oh Schalke's playing, I need to watch this.
It's just pretty bad football and with all the money they've got, there's just no excuse for that.

[DD12]

Yunus made it to the best XI for this week.

My boy is killing it. Hopefully, he will keep his form through this summer.

[ZoLo]

What a waste of time this Frankfurt - Schalke game has been.

Well, thats what we get every week since October. There is physical pain involved when you´re watching Eintracht games. But Schalke really surprised me. Haven´t expected such a poor performance at all. I´m even more surprised that Breitenreiter said about this game, that this was the reaction he hoped to see today from his team.

[Foye]

What a waste of time this Frankfurt - Schalke game has been.

Well, thats what we get every week since October. There is physical pain involved when you´re watching Eintracht games. But Schalke really surprised me. Haven´t expected such a poor performance at all. I´m even more surprised that Breitenreiter said about this game, that this was the reaction he hoped to see today from his team.

Schaaf did a good job last year. Team was shaky on defense but playing to its strengths and very watchable football.
I never understood why they rehired Veh to begin with.
Veh seems to have his favourite pets that will always play. I will never understand how Marco Russ became a Bundesliga player. There's not one thing he does well. Below average at both DM and CB...yet he plays literally every minute for Veh.

A lot is going wrong at Eintracht. What is possibly the worst thing is that they decided to waive their second team to cut costs. How the hell are young talents like Waldschmidt, Gacinovic or Bunjaki gonna develop if they are not even used in regular games and basically go full seasons without making regular games? How do you give players who were injured game experience to regain confidence? Apparently, not at all or only in friendlies.
Also what happens with those talents not immediately considered good enough to make the Bundesliga team when they leave the youth academy? They all go elsewhere.

Look at Mainz. Second team in third league is used to give young talents the chance to make the Bundesliga roster and give players who had been injured minutes. It's perfect. Any time someone from the second team makes the Bundesliga roster you save a lot of money since it will be a low budget guy without transfer fee.

Breitenreiter is incompetent. Another failure from Heldt. Heldt has probably drained at least a hundred million € down the toilet with his terrible decisions at Schalke. And I'm generous here.

[ZoLo]

@Foye: Yepp, there are lot things i agree with. Cutting the U23 was a big mistake. Just to save a few 100K. No chance for young players, or players like Kittel who are back from injuries to develop. And we took away the chance for Schur to gain experience on a higher level and maybe take over one day. Nobody really understood that move.

The thing with Russ, Veh made him co-captain. He is obviously one of his favorite players and sees him as a leader. I haven´t seen much of a leadership. He fights yes, but he slows the game dramatically and makes a lot of mistakes. He is solid as a backup defender, but thats it. The main problem is our slow midfield. Stendera is a talented player, but can´t make the game fast. Aigner is completely out of shape the whole year. We aquired Huszti for the left field, who is slower than anyone else in the League i think. And all he does is passing the ball back. He hasn´t Bundesliga quality at all. But he still plays every time. Our entire midfield is standing when we have the ball. And we knew this for months, and couldn´t aquire the right pieces during the break to get more flexible. This is 2011 all over again. We can only hope Hoffenheim and Hannover don´t get on a winning streak to hold that 16th spot at least.

And we had more than enough problems last year with Schaaf. The guy had no clue how to run this team. We gave up so many games after leads. And he didn´t react, he made no changes during the game. The team had several meltdowns during the season, and the guy didn´t give a ****. Meier singlehandedly saved our and his ass. Yes, there were 4/5 entertaining games, thanks to our non-existent defense/defensive midfield. The rest was ugly and without any real gameplan. And then there were a lot of differences between the players and the coach. Players obviously disagreed to his leadership style. It was the best for all to part ways.

But getting Veh back, was the worst of all decisions our management made. And i don´t see any changes coming. If we really stay in the BuLi and Veh has to go, than we continue to hire the same kind of coaches who are around a long time in the BuLi, who tend not to disagree with our management. Nothing will change with Steubing, Hellmann, Fischer. And maybe Heldt joins the club after the season for Bruchhagen. Or maybe Nerlinger.

What would i give for a guy like Heidel who knows how to run things.

P.S. At least my Celtics make me proud at the moment.

[Foye]

@Foye: Yepp, there are lot things i agree with. Cutting the U23 was a big mistake. Just to save a few 100K. No chance for young players, or players like Kittel who are back from injuries to develop. And we took away the chance for Schur to gain experience on a higher level and maybe take over one day. Nobody really understood that move.

The thing with Russ, Veh made him co-captain. He is obviously one of his favorite players and sees him as a leader. I haven´t seen much of a leadership. He fights yes, but he slows the game dramatically and makes a lot of mistakes. He is solid as a backup defender, but thats it. The main problem is our slow midfield. Stendera is a talented player, but can´t make the game fast. Aigner is completely out of shape the whole year. We aquired Huszti for the left field, who is slower than anyone else in the League i think. And all he does is passing the ball back. He hasn´t Bundesliga quality at all. But he still plays every time. Our entire midfield is standing when we have the ball. And we knew this for months, and couldn´t aquire the right pieces during the break to get more flexible. This is 2011 all over again. We can only hope Hoffenheim and Hannover don´t get on a winning streak to hold that 16th spot at least.

And we had more than enough problems last year with Schaaf. The guy had no clue how to run this team. We gave up so many games after leads. And he didn´t react, he made no changes during the game. The team had several meltdowns during the season, and the guy didn´t give a ****. Meier singlehandedly saved our and his ass. Yes, there were 4/5 entertaining games, thanks to our non-existent defense/defensive midfield. The rest was ugly and without any real gameplan. And then there were a lot of differences between the players and the coach. Players obviously disagreed to his leadership style. It was the best for all to part ways.

But getting Veh back, was the worst of all decisions our management made. And i don´t see any changes coming. If we really stay in the BuLi and Veh has to go, than we continue to hire the same kind of coaches who are around a long time in the BuLi, who tend not to disagree with our management. Nothing will change with Steubing, Hellmann, Fischer. And maybe Heldt joins the club after the season for Bruchhagen. Or maybe Nerlinger.

What would i give for a guy like Heidel who knows how to run things.

P.S. At least my Celtics make me proud at the moment.

With Schaaf you know what you are gonna get, though. Unless he is in a terrible situation like in Hannover currently he is gonna play full offense. Its his style and Frankfurt management certainly must ve been aware of this when they got him.

What maybe irritates the most is Veh honestly seems to believe that Huszti is a better player than Gacinovic.
In first leg when our teams met I took a closer look at Gacinovic. I believe this guy is the most talented player on your roster yet is burried behind Huszti and even before they signed Huszti got no minutes (except for that game against us when Veh had no other choice because of injuries).

Heidel has his flaws as well. He is known for Hamstereinkäufe and at least a third of the players he signs usually end up a flop. But most times those are just low budget guys he wanted to take a chance on or aquire as a backup.

But Heldt truly is the worst manager in the league. Mediocrity is secured for years to come if you guys bring him in.

Despite the terrible play lately you guys are not gonna get relegated, though. I believe Hannover and Bremen are going down. And it will be between Darmstadt, Eintracht and Hoffenheim to fight against that playoff spot.
Although Hoffenheim seems in improved form. I could see them eventually picking up two wins in a row.
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[J-Mezzy]

How's Cordoba doing?

[Foye]

How's Cordoba doing?

After months of injuries and adapting to the league/language etc. he is now finally coming along very nicely.

Our coach already said a few months ago that Cordoba is a physical beast in training that he won't be able to hide anymore soon. There's also already quotes from teammates that they are very happy they don't have to face him in games.
He played very well the last two games. He's very active all game long, mobile, physical, will battle with anyone and also scored a goal in each of those two games.
But just like you said prior to the season...his finishing touch still needs some work.
Against Leverkusen he wasted two or three relatively easy 100% chances. But he did score a nice goal from just inside the box (although Leno probably should've saved that attempt).

Overall, I like him and think we'll buy him even for those rumored 5 mil. €. If he ever finds his finishing touch then watch out.

[J-Mezzy]

Yeah man, the kid has all the right tools, just horrible at finishing. Is finishing something players improve upon? He's already 22

[DD12]

Yeah man, the kid has all the right tools, just horrible at finishing. Is finishing something players improve upon? He's already 22

Don't worry he is at the best league for strikers. He'll score minimum 10+ goals next year.

[cgf]

Yeah man, the kid has all the right tools, just horrible at finishing. Is finishing something players improve upon? He's already 22

Don't worry he is at the best league for strikers. He'll score minimum 10+ goals next year.

And when he's too washed up to put the ball in the net in germany, he can always go win a superlig goalscoring title.

[DD12]

Yeah. Just like examples of Ailton who was a goal scorer in Buli and scored 5 goals in Turkey. Or Misimovic who was an assist leader in Buli a year before he came to Turkey and sucked so hard. Or Lincoln who threw himself on the floor every time someone touched him and this guy used to be one of the great players in BuLi. haha

[Foye]

Massimo...you and No_20 should open a nostalgia club to talk about ancient history haha

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[DD12]

Schurrle just scored 3 goals. Should have taken a bet for him to score today as soon as i saw Foye's post that he was buried behind some guy i never heard of lmaoo

[Foye]

Yeah man, the kid has all the right tools, just horrible at finishing. Is finishing something players improve upon? He's already 22

For sure it is something that can be improved. My guess is that part of the problem is that he works too much, especially defensively.
Sometimes it seems he is exhausted by the time he gets the ball in good position and then doesn't have the concentration left to get off a quality attempt on goal.
A little more stamina and concentration in front of the goal and he'll be good.

[truth18]

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Great to see you here, man! Now we just need Murta and Drax to start posting here and we can begin the Celtics fan take over of realgm soccer.

[J-Mezzy]

Last thing this forum, or world to be honest, needs is more Celtics fans....

[ZoLo]

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Great to see you here, man! Now we just need Murta and Drax to start posting here and we can begin the Celtics fan take over of realgm soccer.

Are they getting access? I mean they are Bayern fans, right?!
Just kidding.

Btw, i hate to say this but...thank you Wolfsburg.

[Foye]

Schurrle just scored 3 goals. Should have taken a bet for him to score today as soon as i saw Foye's post that he was buried behind some guy i never heard of lmaoo

At least when I'm calling guys out they start to perform...
when you label guys as world class like Melo, Calhanoglu, Kaya or Yilmaz their career ends up in irrelevancy as in China or remain at Gala until prime is over, at Inter Milan or they play a poor season for Leverkusen.

Actually, I should be afraid since you just said something positive about Yunus Malli.