Rookie Discussion Thread

DaGawd · Post #521 » by **DaGawd** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 6:20 am

Tinseltown wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Porzingis has gotten worse under Rambis...smdh

Yeah, people talk about Byron Scott like he's the worst coach in NBA history but I'd take anyone over Rambis

He played Ryan Gomes more minutes than Kevin Love in Minnesota and now he's at it again

Damn sounds a lot like whats going on in NY right now. He continually yanks KP after 1 mistake and give dudes like Lance Thomas and Oquinn extended minutes while he collects splinters on the bench. I feel like he's zapping the kid's confidence

Post #522 » by **Domejandro** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 6:28 am

markjay wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
not sure if you remember, but you said he may be the greatest big man in nba history.

He absolutely could potentially become the greatest bigman in NBA history. Yes, the expectations are high, but I have no idea how that is preposterous. At the age of twenty, he is having the best rookie season since Tim Duncan (or LeBron James). The sky is the limit for this dude; I am a massive, massive cynic, but I am certain Towns is a lock for the Hall-of-Fame going forward.

In Wilt's rookie season, he averaged 38 points per gam and 27 rebounds per game. Admittedly he was older, but we can safely assume that Towns will never reach those numbers in his career.

You have to adjust for pace of play, those guys had far more possessions than modern NBA games do. In addition, you have to look at efficiency (albeit, it must be adjusted to recognize the pace of play), as well as the level of competition.

Shaquille O'Neal was a far more dominating type of player, but his statistics look lower due to pace. I hate downing players from older generations, as it is a bit unfair, but things such as pace have to be accounted for.

That said, to reiterate, I stated he "could become", and I still stand-by it.

Northern hoops · Post #523 » by **Northern hoops** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 6:42 am

Kareem and Wilt would straight up not dominate the league now the way they did back then.

wablty · Post #524 » by **wablty** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 7:30 am

There's no point in trying to compare players from very different eras. It'd be one thing to compare a guy from the 90s to the late 2000's. There weren't massive changes. It's another to compare guys that were 40 years apart. Towns could be the best big of his era if things bounce right, the current era IMO starting after the Garnett draft and the teams shifting to acquire the most talented 18-20 year olds instead of the best college players (though if someone wanted to argue we've recently moved into a new era I wouldn't argue).

moonpie · Post #525 » by **moonpie** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 7:43 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIJPU_Zc7ME[/youtube]

Post #526 » by **Klomp** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 7:48 am

markjay wrote:In Wilt's rookie season, he averaged 38 points per gam and 27 rebounds per game. Admittedly he was older, but we can safely assume that Towns will never reach those numbers in his career.

It was a different era. Hard to just assume that numbers would/could directly correlate.

Even still, you can't just look at numbers. Otherwise, you might as well call Kevin Love a better Timberwolf than Kevin Garnett because he put up better season numbers.

Post #527 » by **Klomp** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 7:59 am

If KAT could average 46.4 minutes and 32.1 field goal attempts per game, I'm sure he could average 38 points per game too.

And judging by his 46.1% on field goals, I'd guess that a majority of his 27 rebounds were offensive, aided by the fact that he was taller than most of his defenders.

Towns is shooting almost 10% better than Wilt from the field and 25% better from the free-throw line.

Westbreezy · Post #528 » by **Westbreezy** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:12 am

moonpie wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIJPU_Zc7ME[/youtube]

Ive been so impressed with things I didn't think I'd see out of him this whole year. His post game is actually a legitimate weapon that he hasn't hesitated in using (0.98 points per possession on post ups which is in the 84.7th percentile in the NBA).

He's getting to the rim a lot more and he's showing a lot more diversity with floaters, eurosteps, and change of pace.

Can't wait to see how he continues to finish the season out. Also, I'm really excited to see how he plays in the next summer league

Nuggets_Talk · Post #529 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:17 am

Domejandro wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Domejandro wrote:I am unsure how my comment is really that odd, he is already arguably the second best Centre in the league right now, he is going to be an unstoppable force.

not sure if you remember, but you said he may be the greatest big man in nba history.

He absolutely could potentially become the greatest bigman in NBA history. Yes, the expectations are high, but I have no idea how that is preposterous. At the age of twenty, he is having the best rookie season since Tim Duncan (or LeBron James). The sky is the limit for this dude; I am a massive, massive cynic, but I am certain Towns is a lock for the Hall-of-Fame going forward.

of course you dont see it - thats what being a homer is all about. its fairly safe to say that if KAT played for any other team, you would never even consider the idea that he may be the greatest big man "in NBA history" or a lock for the hall of fame after about 3/4 of one NBA season.

I get why you want to believe all of this stuff - part of being a fan. its fun to dream. I just don't get how you are confused why people are laughing at the idea.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #530 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:19 am

Domejandro wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:also not sure what the hype about larry nance jr is. yeah, he dunks well.

uh, so? the rest of his game and his overall stats are very underwhelming. especially on such a poor team.

He is a very efficient young player that rebounds at a very respectable rate and that is very athletic. Nobody is c hyping him up to be a star, but he will be a very solid bench player, which is great value at 27.

yeah I can agree with that - a solid bench player.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #531 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:21 am

SF88 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Domejandro wrote:I am unsure how my comment is really that odd, he is already arguably the second best Centre in the league right now, he is going to be an unstoppable force.

not sure if you remember, but you said he may be the greatest big man in nba history.

Its not that ridiculous, he's 19 or 20 now and he's already top 5 center in the NBA. Maybe top 3.

With more experience, there's no reason as why to why he cant be what domejandro said. Injuries are the only thing that can stop this kid.

yes, injuries are the only thing between KAT being the greatest big man in history :roll:

(is that what you are implying?).

Nuggets_Talk · Post #532 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:23 am

I do have to admit, I am very appreciative of this thread. keeps everything in one place unlike insidehoops where every single good game by anyone gets a new thread.

thumbs up to whoever started this.

Revived · Post #533 » by **Revived** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:33 am

iamworthy wrote:
Spoiler:
E-Balla wrote:
iamworthy wrote:

He hit a 3? Did I miss something? Are we just calling shots Currys now?

I'm not sure what they are calling it these days but it's like the look away three pointer. He turned around while the shot was still in the air like he knew he made it. Curry did the same thing in pre season.

Really? So I'm guessing this is Curry too?

http://tinyurl.com/zxda6eg

Riko · Post #534 » by **Riko** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:35 am

Domejandro wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
not sure if you remember, but you said he may be the greatest big man in nba history.

He absolutely could potentially become the greatest bigman in NBA history. Yes, the expectations are high, but I have no idea how that is preposterous. At the age of twenty, he is having the best rookie season since Tim Duncan (or LeBron James). The sky is the limit for this dude; I am a massive, massive cynic, but I am certain Towns is a lock for the Hall-of-Fame going forward.

Griffin in 2011, Evans in 2010 and CP3 in 2006 have a better rookie season than Towns.
I repeat, KAT will dominate the league one day but "greatest bigman in nba history" is an overstate after only one season.

tsmith · Post #535 » by **tsmith** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 9:39 am

Klomp wrote:If KAT could average 46.4 minutes and 32.1 field goal attempts per game, I'm sure he could average 38 points per game too.

And judging by his 46.1% on field goals, I'd guess that a majority of his 27 rebounds were offensive, aided by the fact that he was taller than most of his defenders.

Towns is shooting almost 10% better than Wilt from the field and 25% better from the free-throw line.

I seriously can't believe that you're making the case of KAT being better than Wilt. KAT is going to be great but please.

eathb_au · Post #536 » by **eathb_au** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 11:11 am

Like 4 of his misses were clearly arm slaps that weren't called lol.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7HwIOalFjk[/youtube]

LedeniZZZ · Post #537 » by **LedeniZZZ** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:18 pm

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2016/3/8/11177786/nba-rookie-week-nikola-jokic-denver-nuggets-center-surprise
(Image is posted in comments)

Interesting image. Estimated impact of the rookies according to their draft position.

Post #538 » by **Domejandro** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:36 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
not sure if you remember, but you said he may be the greatest big man in nba history.

He absolutely could potentially become the greatest bigman in NBA history. Yes, the expectations are high, but I have no idea how that is preposterous. At the age of twenty, he is having the best rookie season since Tim Duncan (or LeBron James). The sky is the limit for this dude; I am a massive, massive cynic, but I am certain Towns is a lock for the Hall-of-Fame going forward.

of course you dont see it - thats what being a homer is all about. its fairly safe to say that if KAT played for any other team, you would never even consider the idea that he may be the greatest big man "in NBA history" or a lock for the hall of fame after about 3/4 of one NBA season.

I get why you want to believe all of this stuff - part of being a fan. its fun to dream. I just don't get how you are confused why people are laughing at the idea.

I would disagree that the comment is "safe to say". Would I be stating it this quickly? Likely not, as I would not have seen him enough to comment. That said, I am relatively complimentary of the teams' rookies.

I am still tripling-down on my statement, Karl Anthony-Towns is a great talent. I don't agree that stating that Town's could "possibly be" is as absurd as you are making it.

We will wait and see.

lilswift01 · Post #539 » by **lilswift01** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 3:16 pm

So is DLO worthy of being second pick or you guys would still go with Porzingis ?

mihail_petkov · Post #540 » by **mihail_petkov** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 3:42 pm

lilswift01 wrote:So is DLO worthy of being second pick or you guys would still go with Porzingis ?

They are pretty close. Some of the Russel's stats are worse because he is playing for much worse team and also started the season really slow.

Personally, I think Russel will be James Harden type of player.
Porzingis will be Ibaka with better offensive game.