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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#761 » by payitforward » Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:36 am

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SAKURABA216 wrote:If we draft Sabonis, I would be willing to trade him and Meeks to you guys for Markieff. Baynes is a good backup center that we need when other teams start hacking Drummond so he's too much as a throw-in.

I thought the consensus was that your board was regretting this trade. I always wanted us to trade our first for Kieff and was bummed when we traded for D-Mo instead. I think our 1st and Meeks should be a fair trade.


We regretted the trade because we knew it was likely to be a lotto pick involved. We regretted the trade the day it was made. That doesn't mean that Morris hasn't been a pretty decent player for us. If you could get us our #11 pick back, I'd gladly swap Morris for him. But I wouldn't trade him away for a pick in the mid teens.

I sure would. In a minute. Guys who produce at his level are a dime a dozen in the NBA. A #16 pick may or may not turn into an excellent player, that is true. If he does, great. If not, what have you lost? Go to the big pile and pick yourself someone who is as good as Markieff Morris; it's not hard. Ruzious was talking about Andrew Nicholson a few weeks ago. He's better than Morris and will be available for much less. Or Trevor Booker. Or... long list.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#762 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 7, 2016 4:50 am

payitforward wrote:I sure would. In a minute. Guys who produce at his level are a dime a dozen in the NBA. A #16 pick may or may not turn into an excellent player, that is true. If he does, great. If not, what have you lost? Go to the big pile and pick yourself someone who is as good as Markieff Morris; it's not hard. Ruzious was talking about Andrew Nicholson a few weeks ago. He's better than Morris and will be available for much less. Or Trevor Booker. Or... long list.


Beal was on the tonight's postgame radio show talking about how the Zards could have used Morris' toughness and edge all season. Hmmm...I wonder how you measure that. Or can you. Does something like that even matter? Makes sense that it would.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#763 » by nate33 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:23 pm

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payitforward wrote:I sure would. In a minute. Guys who produce at his level are a dime a dozen in the NBA. A #16 pick may or may not turn into an excellent player, that is true. If he does, great. If not, what have you lost? Go to the big pile and pick yourself someone who is as good as Markieff Morris; it's not hard. Ruzious was talking about Andrew Nicholson a few weeks ago. He's better than Morris and will be available for much less. Or Trevor Booker. Or... long list.


Beal was on the tonight's postgame radio show talking about how the Zards could have used Morris' toughness and edge all season. Hmmm...I wonder how you measure that. Or can you. Does something like that even matter? Makes sense that it would.

Well, they're 13-12 in games where Morris has played, so his toughness doesn't appear to have helped that much. Now to be fair, Wall and Beal have played pretty bad during that stretch so the mediocre record isn't necessarily Morris' fault.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#764 » by pcbothwel » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:27 pm

I will say that Morris has a unique ability to guard some of the hybrid Forwards with strength. I.e Melo, M.Morris/T.Harris, LeBron, Griffin, Draymond, Parker, etc. That is something we havent had in a long time.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

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payitforward wrote:I sure would. In a minute. Guys who produce at his level are a dime a dozen in the NBA. A #16 pick may or may not turn into an excellent player, that is true. If he does, great. If not, what have you lost? Go to the big pile and pick yourself someone who is as good as Markieff Morris; it's not hard. Ruzious was talking about Andrew Nicholson a few weeks ago. He's better than Morris and will be available for much less. Or Trevor Booker. Or... long list.


Beal was on the tonight's postgame radio show talking about how the Zards could have used Morris' toughness and edge all season. Hmmm...I wonder how you measure that. Or can you. Does something like that even matter? Makes sense that it would.

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Post#766 » by fishercob » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:50 pm

Reminder: The Wizards paid far more for Morris than the Celtics did for Isiah Thomas. Thomas is far better and cheaper.
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Post#767 » by payitforward » Fri Apr 8, 2016 3:21 am

fishercob wrote:Reminder: The Wizards paid far more for Morris than the Celtics did for Isiah Thomas. Thomas is far better and cheaper.

They also paid more for him than the Celtics did for Jae Crowder. They paid more for him than it cost the Celtics to acquire Sullinger. Ditto Olynyk. Ditto Amir Johnson. Ditto Evan Turner.

Gee what a surprise that the Celtics have zoomed right past us as a team, huh?
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Post#768 » by fishercob » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:49 pm

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fishercob wrote:Reminder: The Wizards paid far more for Morris than the Celtics did for Isiah Thomas. Thomas is far better and cheaper.

They also paid more for him than the Celtics did for Jae Crowder. They paid more for him than it cost the Celtics to acquire Sullinger. Ditto Olynyk. Ditto Amir Johnson. Ditto Evan Turner.

Gee what a surprise that the Celtics have zoomed right past us as a team, huh?


The Crowder example is debatable because he was part of a larger trade involving Rondo (who had been quite good in the not so distant past) and Dwight Powell. Overall, it was obviously a great trade for Boston, as was the deal they re-upped Crowder to.

Ainge is the anti-Grunfeld and the Celtics' rebuild has put the Wizards to shame. Boston bottomed out for one single season of 25 wins. They hired a brilliant young coach and set him up for the long haul. Then Ainge did something truly remarkable -- he acquired good players on good contracts. He didn;t care about fit or who was a supposed "star" -- he just got lots and lots of good players and built a really good basketball team. Crazy, right? The two lottery picks in the their rotation are Marcus Smart (7th pick, 5th in minutes) and Evan Turner, who's a bit player for them.

Boston's pick situation is an embarrassment of riches going forward. They're flush with cap space and can actually make a compelling case to Durant AND Horford about how they could join up and dominate the East for the next several years.

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Post#769 » by dckingsfan » Fri Apr 8, 2016 1:33 pm

pcbothwel wrote:I will say that Morris has a unique ability to guard some of the hybrid Forwards with strength. I.e Melo, M.Morris/T.Harris, LeBron, Griffin, Draymond, Parker, etc. That is something we havent had in a long time.

Not since Ariza...
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Post#770 » by DCZards » Fri Apr 8, 2016 3:23 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:I will say that Morris has a unique ability to guard some of the hybrid Forwards with strength. I.e Melo, M.Morris/T.Harris, LeBron, Griffin, Draymond, Parker, etc. That is something we havent had in a long time.

Not since Ariza...


Ariza was great at defending 2s and 3s...but not so much though at defending the bigger and stronger 4s.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#771 » by BigA » Fri Apr 8, 2016 3:34 pm

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payitforward wrote:
fishercob wrote:Reminder: The Wizards paid far more for Morris than the Celtics did for Isiah Thomas. Thomas is far better and cheaper.

They also paid more for him than the Celtics did for Jae Crowder. They paid more for him than it cost the Celtics to acquire Sullinger. Ditto Olynyk. Ditto Amir Johnson. Ditto Evan Turner.

Gee what a surprise that the Celtics have zoomed right past us as a team, huh?


The Crowder example is debatable because he was part of a larger trade involving Rondo (who had been quite good in the not so distant past) and Dwight Powell. Overall, it was obviously a great trade for Boston, as was the deal they re-upped Crowder to.

Ainge is the anti-Grunfeld and the Celtics' rebuild has put the Wizards to shame. Boston bottomed out for one single season of 25 wins. They hired a brilliant young coach and set him up for the long haul. Then Ainge did something truly remarkable -- he acquired good players on good contracts. He didn;t care about fit or who was a supposed "star" -- he just got lots and lots of good players and built a really good basketball team. Crazy, right? The two lottery picks in the their rotation are Marcus Smart (7th pick, 5th in minutes) and Evan Turner, who's a bit player for them.

Boston's pick situation is an embarrassment of riches going forward. They're flush with cap space and can actually make a compelling case to Durant AND Horford about how they could join up and dominate the East for the next several years.

Could have been us, but we've got Ernie!


So, since Ernie has been GM of the Wizards, Ainge managed one rebuild that resulted in a title, another NBA Finals appearance, and several ECF appearances. He's now managed another where he's passed the Wizards with fewer high draft picks to start with.
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Post#772 » by fishercob » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:46 pm

From Tim Ziller's piece the NBA coaching carousel (it has a section on the Wiz too, obviously), in discussing the Suns' potential vacancy.

Attractiveness of the job: If Watson is gone, this is not a bad opening at all. The Suns have some good young talent, draft picks, a couple of vets (including Tyson Chandler) and no Markieff Morris. This job became way more attractive the second the Suns traded Morris.


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Post#773 » by TGW » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:57 pm

fishercob wrote:From Tim Ziller's piece the NBA coaching carousel (it has a section on the Wiz too, obviously), in discussing the Suns' potential vacancy.

Attractiveness of the job: If Watson is gone, this is not a bad opening at all. The Suns have some good young talent, draft picks, a couple of vets (including Tyson Chandler) and no Markieff Morris. This job became way more attractive the second the Suns traded Morris.


Great job, team!


We know this. Even suns management was SHOCKED when they got the pick in return.

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Post#774 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:31 pm

fishercob wrote:
payitforward wrote:
fishercob wrote:Reminder: The Wizards paid far more for Morris than the Celtics did for Isiah Thomas. Thomas is far better and cheaper.

They also paid more for him than the Celtics did for Jae Crowder. They paid more for him than it cost the Celtics to acquire Sullinger. Ditto Olynyk. Ditto Amir Johnson. Ditto Evan Turner.

Gee what a surprise that the Celtics have zoomed right past us as a team, huh?


The Crowder example is debatable because he was part of a larger trade involving Rondo (who had been quite good in the not so distant past) and Dwight Powell. Overall, it was obviously a great trade for Boston, as was the deal they re-upped Crowder to.

Ainge is the anti-Grunfeld and the Celtics' rebuild has put the Wizards to shame. Boston bottomed out for one single season of 25 wins. They hired a brilliant young coach and set him up for the long haul. Then Ainge did something truly remarkable -- he acquired good players on good contracts. He didn;t care about fit or who was a supposed "star" -- he just got lots and lots of good players and built a really good basketball team. Crazy, right? The two lottery picks in the their rotation are Marcus Smart (7th pick, 5th in minutes) and Evan Turner, who's a bit player for them.

Boston's pick situation is an embarrassment of riches going forward. They're flush with cap space and can actually make a compelling case to Durant AND Horford about how they could join up and dominate the East for the next several years.

Could have been us, but we've got Ernie!


They also hired Brad Stevens' personal analytics staff. He's probably a big reason why they have signed so many efficient players.

In addition to having free agent money the Celtics have a great shot at drafting Simmons, Ingram, Murray or Heild--plus a couple others.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#775 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:42 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:I will say that Morris has a unique ability to guard some of the hybrid Forwards with strength. I.e Melo, M.Morris/T.Harris, LeBron, Griffin, Draymond, Parker, etc. That is something we havent had in a long time.

Not since Ariza...


Ariza was great at defending 2s and 3s...but not so much though at defending the bigger and stronger 4s.


Paul Pierce was just the opposite. He didn't let many 4s outmuscle him but by the time the Wizards got Pierce he was way too slow to guard 3s.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#776 » by Kanyewest » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:28 pm

In response to Chad Ford rating Morris higher than the 13th pick should be taken with a grain of salt since his favorite college team is Kansas.
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Post#777 » by deneem4 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:59 pm

Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
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Post#779 » by gtn130 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:05 pm

Kanyewest wrote:In response to Chad Ford rating Morris higher than the 13th pick should be taken with a grain of salt since his favorite college team is Kansas.


It should be taken with a grain of salt because he's a complete fraud who doctors his mock drafts years later.
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Re: WIZ GET MARKIEFF MORRIS............... 

Post#780 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:10 am


Oh dude....

Lets just start with the fact that Markieff didn't play in 4 of the 33 games after the all star break -- all wins.

And that he played 14 minutes the night we beat Chicago by 21 points.

And that 9 of the other 13 wins we had w/ Morris on the floor were against the worst teams in the league: Philly, Knicks, Lakers, NOP, Nets, Minny, and the Suns.

Give it up.

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