'15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread

SideshowBob · Post #221 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:38 am

2016 In/Out Links

2016 San Antonio Spurs In/Out Splits (Pg. 9)
2016 Golden State Warriors In/Out Splits (Pg. 9)
2016 Cleveland Cavaliers In/Out Splits (Pg. 9)
2016 Los Angeles Clippers In/Out Splits (Pg. 10)
2016 Oklahoma City Thunder In/Out Splits (Pg. 11)

Will be useful in the future for Googling purposes. I speak from experience.

Post #222 » by **bondom34** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:45 am

That Payne out split...

SideshowBob · Post #223 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:17 am

Gonna ask this one again

SideshowBob wrote:Does anyone feel that this was the best he's been as a Clipper? Folks who preferred 08 or 09 Paul over 12/13/14/15, how do you feel about 08 or 09 vs. 16? FWIW I would include myself in that group.

GSP · Post #224 » by **GSP** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:17 am

bondom34 wrote:That Payne out split...

Donovan is such an awful coach.

Anyone with a working pair of eyes knows Morrow needs much more minutes especially with the lack of spacing for Kd/Westbrook.

Payne/Westbrook minutes as a backcourt is a nobrainer as well. Dude is really dumb sometimes.

Post #225 » by **bondom34** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:20 am

GSP wrote:
bondom34 wrote:That Payne out split...

Donovan is such an awful coach.

Anyone with a working pair of eyes knows Morrow needs much more minutes especially with the lack of spacing for Kd/Westbrook.

Payne/Westbrook minutes as a backcourt is a nobrainer as well. Dude is really dumb sometimes.

He figured it out for like two months, then went with Foye and Waiters....its a bottom 20 RAPM lineup. :banghead:

RSCD3_ · Post #226 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:34 am

bondom34 wrote:
GSP wrote:
bondom34 wrote:That Payne out split...

Donovan is such an awful coach.

Anyone with a working pair of eyes knows Morrow needs much more minutes especially with the lack of spacing for Kd/Westbrook.

Payne/Westbrook minutes as a backcourt is a nobrainer as well. Dude is really dumb sometimes.

He figured it out for like two months, then went with Foye and Waiters....its a bottom 20 RAPM lineup.

"What this team needs is toughness and a veteran presence", "so I'll keep the talented young players on the bench and try to ruin their confidence by pulling them really quick"

- Byron Scott / Billy Donovan

Post #227 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:59 am

RSCD3_ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
GSP wrote:Donovan is such an awful coach.

Anyone with a working pair of eyes knows Morrow needs much more minutes especially with the lack of spacing for Kd/Westbrook.

Payne/Westbrook minutes as a backcourt is a nobrainer as well. Dude is really dumb sometimes.

He figured it out for like two months, then went with Foye and Waiters....its a bottom 20 RAPM lineup.

"What this team needs is toughness and a veteran presence", "so I'll keep the talented young players on the bench and try to ruin their confidence by pulling them really quick"

- Byron Scott / Billy Donovan

/ Derek Fisher / Kurt Rambis

Post #228 » by **bondom34** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:01 am

I miss Brooks.

Dr Spaceman · Post #229 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:31 am

SideshowBob wrote:Gonna ask this one again

SideshowBob wrote:Does anyone feel that this was the best he's been as a Clipper? Folks who preferred 08 or 09 Paul over 12/13/14/15, how do you feel about 08 or 09 vs. 16? FWIW I would include myself in that group.

I don't think I've watched enough of him to say definitively unfortunately. I believe 2015 is his overall peak, lacking the same athleticism but with clearly superior shooting and decision-making. I'm not opposed to saying 2016 is the better season, but at first blush he was out of shape to start the season and I don't want to go crazy over his box score production given Griffin was out unless I have a reason to believe he couldn't do that last year as well.

Post #230 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:36 pm

If Chris Paul was truly this good in 08 or 09 I'd be surprised. I think his last 2 seasons have been absolutely masterful and the best of his career.

Dr Spaceman · Post #231 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:45 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:If Chris Paul was truly this good in 08 or 09 I'd be surprised. I think his last 2 seasons have been absolutely masterful and the best of his career.

His chemistry with Jordan is INSANE. There was a play last game where Jordan didn't even look back; he just jumped and the lob pass was right where he thought it'd be. I don't think I've seen anything like that ever.

NinjaSheppard · Post #232 » by **NinjaSheppard** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:54 pm

I'd take the last two seasons over 2008 but definitely not over 2009 that was just completely different level of basketball. That team was truly horrendous with bad coaching and him carrying the team to 49 wins was mind boggling.

CP3 was actually at his best at the start of the 2009-10 season. His jumper looked way better and he had peak athleticism. He messed up his ankle badly against Portland though and tried playing through it. By the time he started looking like himself again he had an even worse Hornets team in the playoffs but then he ran into a camera and nothing was ever the same.

Mutnt · Post #233 » by **Mutnt** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:35 pm

I think comparing 08/09 Paul with like the recent versions is like comparing 09/10 LeBron with Miami LeBron. Youthful energy, insane motor and peak athleticsm vs. refined game, improved shooting, smarter & more experienced.

Either way you're getting a beast.

RSCD3_ · Post #234 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:35 pm

How many games doees curry have to miss before it starts affecting his ranking in your opinions?

I dont think most would have him at 1 if he didnt come back, What if he returns in game 4 of next series and they lose in 7? Stuff like that some people are hoping he doesnt return until the warriors lose a game period but I just want to see him look healthy ASAP

Post #235 » by **PaulieWal** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:50 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How many games doees curry have to miss before it starts affecting his ranking in your opinions?

I dont think most would have him at 1 if he didnt come back, What if he returns in game 4 of next series and they lose in 7? Stuff like that some people are hoping he doesnt return until the warriors lose a game period but I just want to see him look healthy ASAP

For the Houston series I give him a pass. If he misses any time against the Clippers then I might think about holding the injury against him. I do think he will be back sooner than later. Hopefully he's 100% instead of 75 or 80.

RSCD3_ · Post #236 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:59 pm

PaulieWal wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:How many games doees curry have to miss before it starts affecting his ranking in your opinions?

I dont think most would have him at 1 if he didnt come back, What if he returns in game 4 of next series and they lose in 7? Stuff like that some people are hoping he doesnt return until the warriors lose a game period but I just want to see him look healthy ASAP

For the Houston series I give him a pass. If he misses any time against the Clippers then I might think about holding the injury against him. I do think he will be back sooner than later. Hopefully he's 100% instead of 75 or 80.

Yeah I agree

On a sidenote Chris Paul has looked Damn good against the blazers lately, if he continues to do well vs them and has a good scoring series and Westbrook slips up offensively I might vote Paul over Goatbrook. I mean he is older so the beginning of the season could get the same kind of " he was coasting but look at him now" talk we had about lebron in 14, though paul isnt on that level

Post #237 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:16 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How many games doees curry have to miss before it starts affecting his ranking in your opinions?

I dont think most would have him at 1 if he didnt come back, What if he returns in game 4 of next series and they lose in 7? Stuff like that some people are hoping he doesnt return until the warriors lose a game period but I just want to see him look healthy ASAP

Well, I think that'd depend on how other players in contention of his spot are playing in the playoffs, too. I'd have to decide at the time, but I'd be surprised if he falls out of the #1 spot for me. Of course I hope he comes back regardless of the ranking, though.

SideshowBob · Post #238 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:22 pm

Miami with a crazy 136.9 ORTG (~135 w/team TOs) on Charlotte through two games. Currently the highest ORTG in any series ever since 1984 (record is 127.3 by Phoenix in 1st round of 95 playoffs).

Post #239 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:37 pm

SideshowBob wrote:Miami with a crazy 136.9 ORTG (~135 w/team TOs) on Charlotte through two games. Currently the highest ORTG in any series ever since 1984 (record is 127.3 by Phoenix in 1st round of 95 playoffs).

I've been rolling my eyes at the notion that Miami could beat a healthy Cleveland, but this makes me at least ponder the possibility.

Man, people would crucify LeBron if he lost that series.

Dr Spaceman · Post #240 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:44 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How many games doees curry have to miss before it starts affecting his ranking in your opinions?

I dont think most would have him at 1 if he didnt come back, What if he returns in game 4 of next series and they lose in 7? Stuff like that some people are hoping he doesnt return until the warriors lose a game period but I just want to see him look healthy ASAP

If you're referencing my post I actually just meant he should be held out for the Houston series. Game 1 of R2 he should go if he can, you can afford to be cautious against Houston.

Like Paulie I would have a hard time holding this against him given his opponent sucks and the Beverly thing I mentioned earlier