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2016 draft thread: Part 2

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Post#181 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:15 pm

defense and shooting...might get dangerous if they bring in Skal for a workout. He seems like the kind of guy that could make people reconsider his game-tape after watching him in a private workout setting.
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Post#182 » by subwayJ » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:26 am

How would we feel on moving our pick is Bender isn't still available for D. Favors? I know his back may be a concern, but if our medical team sign of on it, would we be happy? He is only 24 so suits out team. Not sure on his contract?

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Post#183 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:16 am

subwayJ wrote:How would we feel on moving our pick is Bender isn't still available for D. Favors? I know his back may be a concern, but if our medical team sign of on it, would we be happy? He is only 24 so suits out team. Not sure on his contract?

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Love Favs, but if we dont part with one of KAt, Wiggs or Rubio in the package, the Jazz hang up.
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Post#184 » by subwayJ » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:25 am

I would have thought that 5 would get us pretty close, then add in Baz?

No way I would trade KAT, Wiggs or Rubio for him. Hey may be worth it, but I prefer we keep those guys.
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Post#185 » by Worm Guts » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:29 am

I don't think the Jazz have any motive to trade Favors, so you'd have to blow them away with value.
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Post#186 » by Domejandro » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:36 am

I am still watching some game footage on other prospects that are well-regarded, but right now...

1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender (I am fascinated with him)
4. Jaylen Brown
5. Timothe Luwawu (I am very high on him)
6. Buddy Hield
7. Jakob Poeltl
8. Ivan Rabb (he is staying at school, but meh)
9. Jamal Murray (though I slept on the last Kentucky Shooting-Guard)
10. Kris Dunn
11. Marquese Chriss
12. Denzel Valentine
13. Skal Labissiere
14. Domantas Sabonis
957. Henry Ellenson
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Post#187 » by wildvikeswolves » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:08 am

1. Ingram
2. Simmons
3. Dragan
4. Murray
5. Hield
6. Luwawu
7. Dunn
8. Poetle
9. Rabb
10. Brown
11. Skal
12. D. Davis
13. Valentine
14. Sabonis
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Post#188 » by alabamawolf » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:06 am

Murray and Hield have the ability to score from anywhere on the floor. They could carry the scoring load for the 2nd unit and play with Rubio and Lavine. I prefer Hield mainly because of his experience. I'd rather add an older player to the core than another 19 year old. Also, he's constantly added to his game which shows he has a passion to be good. He'd fit in well with the current core.
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Post#189 » by minimus » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:13 am

I have concerns about Hield and Murray. Buddy is a bit undersized, he looks more like Troy Daniels, Gary Neal, Sean Kilpatrick type of player who can't impact the game on defensive end. On other hand Murray looks a bit heavy, sometimes he doesn't have explosiveness to score. I want to see results of first athletic test before deciding.
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Post#190 » by southern wolf » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:24 pm

Just go best player available again, it's worked in recent drafts and when Kahn wouldn't do it in his tenure we always got screwed over.

From memory I think Wes Johnson was probably the only BPA at the time he picked, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post#191 » by Worm Guts » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:31 pm

southern wolf wrote:Just go best player available again, it's worked in recent drafts and when Kahn wouldn't do it in his tenure we always got screwed over.

From memory I think Wes Johnson was probably the only BPA at the time he picked, but correct me if I'm wrong.


Demarcus Cousins was the BPA over Wes Johnson. Derrick Williams was generally considered BPA in his draft.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#192 » by Worm Guts » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:37 pm

minimus wrote:I have concerns about Hield and Murray. Buddy is a bit undersized, he looks more like Troy Daniels, Gary Neal, Sean Kilpatrick type of player who can't impact the game on defensive end. On other hand Murray looks a bit heavy, sometimes he doesn't have explosiveness to score. I want to see results of first athletic test before deciding.


I don't know about those comparisons, but I do wonder about the physical gifts of Murray and Hield. Do you take the more skilled player and hope their physical limitations don't hold them back or do you take the physically gifted player and hope their skill level catches up?
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Post#193 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:11 pm

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southern wolf wrote:Just go best player available again, it's worked in recent drafts and when Kahn wouldn't do it in his tenure we always got screwed over.

From memory I think Wes Johnson was probably the only BPA at the time he picked, but correct me if I'm wrong.


Demarcus Cousins was the BPA over Wes Johnson. Derrick Williams was generally considered BPA in his draft.


I think everybody gets a pass for 2011, that was a rough one. Remember how Sullinger and Perry Jones were also considered top 5 guys for much of the year - nobody knew what the hell was going on that year.
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Post#194 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:14 pm

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minimus wrote:I have concerns about Hield and Murray. Buddy is a bit undersized, he looks more like Troy Daniels, Gary Neal, Sean Kilpatrick type of player who can't impact the game on defensive end. On other hand Murray looks a bit heavy, sometimes he doesn't have explosiveness to score. I want to see results of first athletic test before deciding.


I don't know about those comparisons, but I do wonder about the physical gifts of Murray and Hield. Do you take the more skilled player and hope their physical limitations don't hold them back or do you take the physically gifted player and hope their skill level catches up?


Buddy Hield is tremendously skilled and has a reputation as a tireless worker, so I'm pretty confident in him. His progression over his college career really supports that reputation as well.
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Post#195 » by Foye » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:53 pm

subwayJ wrote:I would have thought that 5 would get us pretty close, then add in Baz?

No way I would trade KAT, Wiggs or Rubio for him. Hey may be worth it, but I prefer we keep those guys.


We are not going to get him with #5 and Bazz.
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Post#196 » by Dleavitt24 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:27 pm

This is a really difficult draft for alot of teams. Can't remember it being this hard. Lots of ? About so many players. As a team that needs shooting and defense it's hard to see that with the players we could pick. Bender gives us both but maybe not the 3 point shot yet and he will need time to get stronger. Murray gives us flexibility and shooting but how will he be on defense, ID hope he could have a career like j.j. reddick. Hield a great shooter and decent rebounder/hands for size - floats abit on D though. There's some guys in the draft I like that can play defense first and can play a role on a team that has its stars. Like luwawu and Prince even. Might Come down to the testing and interviews, most guys seem coachable. I like Dunn too, reminds me of a PG version of Dwayne wade, but he will expect minutes right away and he lacks the shot we need. Wish there could be a mashup of Dunn and hield, but that player would for sure be the #1 pick. That's why Ingram is getting considerations there because he has less flaws.
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Post#197 » by RationalGaze » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:12 pm

Dleavitt24 wrote:This is a really difficult draft for alot of teams. Can't remember it being this hard. Lots of ? About so many players. As a team that needs shooting and defense it's hard to see that with the players we could pick. Bender gives us both but maybe not the 3 point shot yet and he will need time to get stronger. Murray gives us flexibility and shooting but how will he be on defense, ID hope he could have a career like j.j. reddick. Hield a great shooter and decent rebounder/hands for size - floats abit on D though. There's some guys in the draft I like that can play defense first and can play a role on a team that has its stars. Like luwawu and Prince even. Might Come down to the testing and interviews, most guys seem coachable. I like Dunn too, reminds me of a PG version of Dwayne wade, but he will expect minutes right away and he lacks the shot we need. Wish there could be a mashup of Dunn and hield, but that player would for sure be the #1 pick. That's why Ingram is getting considerations there because he has less flaws.


Bender is the ideal guy just needs strengthening and better positioning when rebounding. If he's available for whatever reasonable reason then we'll be taking him.

Deyonta is next up for me given his elite defensive potential and showing flashes on offense so that's an easy pick for me. Athletic Power Forward, shot blocker, quick lateral movement, and stretches the floor currently with a mid-range shot. Just gotta develop him.

If it is to be a shooting guard available be it Timothe, Hield, Murray, or Furkan then I'm not against that direction as next year's draft is super loaded with talent and abundant with Power Forwards/point guards so we can get one next year. We can also draft a shooting guard as well if we can't sign a free agent guard this year.

The other direction would be to draft Jakob Poeltl or Ivica Zubac and have Kat play Power. Go out and sign a guard or draft one next year, but that could be a fun lineup.

Those are the draft directions that I see happening. Don't see us going point guard, but Ulis is the best point for me.

I've stated my opinion on Davis a few times now, but people do talk about him and had he stayed another year he pretty much would have been a lock for top 10 and possibly top 5. It could have been a talking point just to get him to stay another year, but that's w/e given his obvious defensive talent. If he is to be that talent then it would be wise to get him this draft and let him develop under Thibs as he's a Thibs type player. He's a shy guy, but talkative on the court from what I'm reading and just listening to him in interviews.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#198 » by urinesane » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:37 pm

I'm not into the draft enough to scout before the draft order.

I only care about the Wolves options, but right now there's too much too speculate.

Once the Wolves get their pick position, I'll start looking into possible prospects in that range (or trade options).

So glad the Wolves got the #1 pick in a no-brainer year.
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#199 » by realEAST » Mon May 2, 2016 1:24 pm

What about Poeltl, while moving KAT to PF (he'd be even more dominant there, and equally impact defender)
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Re: 2016 draft thread: Part 2 

Post#200 » by RationalGaze » Mon May 2, 2016 2:42 pm

realEAST wrote:What about Poeltl, while moving KAT to PF (he'd be even more dominant there, and equally impact defender)

I like Towns at Center more than I do Poeltl.

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