Official BKN Pick Watch Thread 2016 Season [3.0]

[rickrolled]

We agree to disagree then, I believe it's rigged and the winners are handpicked each year ever since the Ewing draft. Some want to be the devils advocate and refuse to believe there's a slight possibility of being rigged, I'll just believe in what I believe then and that is that.

Why do you believe this? Have you encountered evidence that swayed you into thinking this?

Ewing draft.

Cavs winning it the year after LeBron left. Then on back to back years, in order to get KLove.

Pelicans winning it because they got a new owner, and guess who owned the Pelicans(then Hornets)....well duh the NBA (Stern)

The fact that until 2 years ago it was NEVER televised under Sterns leadership, Silver is just another side of the coin, wolf in sheep's clothing.

[jmr07019]

Showing video of the actual lotto removes the majority of my doubt. I don't think he league was rigging it every year, but certain years, absolutely.

NOP is the one that really sets off alarm bells. League owned the team and was trying to sell it, AD probably raised the value of that team by 30-50 million or 1-2 million per owner. the league was getting hammered in the media for going with the Clips deal over the Lakers deal and needed to justify their decision, just rig the lottery. All the motive in the world.

[peachbucket]

FOR the record...or whatever this is....for the REALGM RECORD...if the Celtics win the lottery this year...I will never ever ever accuse or mock the lotto system EVER again.

And this is exactly why their are so many conspiracy theorists...because it's much easier to blame haters for your troubles than accepting personal responsibility or just attributing it to bad luck. I'm sure that the Cavaliers forum is not having this discussion right now despite their miraculous defiance of the odds in recent history.

[fallguy]

We agree to disagree then, I believe it's rigged and the winners are handpicked each year ever since the Ewing draft. Some want to be the devils advocate and refuse to believe there's a slight possibility of being rigged, I'll just believe in what I believe then and that is that.

Why do you believe this? Have you encountered evidence that swayed you into thinking this?

Ewing draft.

Cavs winning it the year after LeBron left. Then on back to back years, in order to get KLove.

Pelicans winning it because they got a new owner, and guess who owned the Pelicans(then Hornets)....well duh the NBA (Stern)

The fact that until 2 years ago it was NEVER televised under Sterns leadership, Silver is just another side of the coin, wolf in sheep's clothing.

Huh. Okay. I guess I just don't think any of that is remotely compelling as evidence. I don't think it even qualifies as evidence.

[truth18]

Why do you believe this? Have you encountered evidence that swayed you into thinking this?

Ewing draft.

Cavs winning it the year after LeBron left. Then on back to back years, in order to get KLove.

Pelicans winning it because they got a new owner, and guess who owned the Pelicans(then Hornets)....well duh the NBA (Stern)

The fact that until 2 years ago it was NEVER televised under Sterns leadership, Silver is just another side of the coin, wolf in sheep's clothing.

Huh. Okay. I guess I just don't think any of that is remotely compelling as evidence. I don't think it even qualifies as evidence.

That's because it isn't.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If the Celtics win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league wanted to persuade Kevin Durant to go to Boston. That's the only way they could revive the Lebron vs. Durant rivalry, since OKC wasn't likely to get out of the East.

If the Lakers win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league needs a large market team like LA to thrive.

If the Sixers win it, then it is definitely rigged. That was their reward for firing Hinkie, who was making a mockery out of tanking.

If Phoenix wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league needs small market teams like Phoenix to thrive, just to bring balance to the league.

If Minnesota wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to ensure that Wiggins and Towns would make deep playoff runs, as well as bolster ratings in Canada.

If New Orleans wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted Anthony Davis to be paired up with another superstar, so they could make deep playoff runs.

If Sacramento wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to reward Vivek Ranadive because he kept the team in Sacramento and for building a new arena.

If Denver wins it, then it is definitely rigged. Stan Kroenke paid Silver close to $100 million under the table.

Ok, I'm tired of making conspiracies up. You guys can finish off the rest of the teams.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If the Celtics win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league wanted to persuade Kevin Durant to go to Boston. That's the only way they could revive the Lebron vs. Durant rivalry, since OKC wasn't likely to get out of the East.

If the Lakers win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league needs a large market team like LA to thrive.

If the Sixers win it, then it is definitely rigged. That was their reward for firing Hinkie, who was making a mockery out of tanking.

If Phoenix wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league needs small market teams like Phoenix to thrive, just to bring balance to the league.

If Minnesota wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to ensure that Wiggins and Towns would make deep playoff runs, as well as bolster ratings in Canada.

If New Orleans wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted Anthony Davis to be paired up with another superstar, so they could make deep playoff runs.

If Sacramento wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to reward Vivek Ranadive because he kept the team in Sacramento and for building a new arena.

If Denver wins it, then it is definitely rigged. Stan Kroenke paid Silver close to $100 million under the table.

Ok, I'm tired of making conspiracies up. You guys can finish off the rest of the teams.

Yeah, this is the problem with paranoid reasoning. If they were going to fix the lotto this year, though, it would be for Sacramento all the way. They have the biggest claim to need, a new arena, staying in Sacto, Cousins at risk of leaving. They're the only team who would make me suspicious by jumping into the top 3.

More often it's just some random team like the Bucks, I could see them adding Ben Simmons, that would be the most absurd roster in league history.

[Crossy2008]

If the Celtics win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league wanted to persuade Kevin Durant to go to Boston. That's the only way they could revive the Lebron vs. Durant rivalry, since OKC wasn't likely to get out of the East.

If the Lakers win it, then it is definitely rigged, because the league needs a large market team like LA to thrive.

If the Sixers win it, then it is definitely rigged. That was their reward for firing Hinkie, who was making a mockery out of tanking.

If Phoenix wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league needs small market teams like Phoenix to thrive, just to bring balance to the league.

If Minnesota wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to ensure that Wiggins and Towns would make deep playoff runs, as well as bolster ratings in Canada.

If New Orleans wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted Anthony Davis to be paired up with another superstar, so they could make deep playoff runs.

If Sacramento wins it, then it is definitely rigged. The league wanted to reward Vivek Ranadive because he kept the team in Sacramento and for building a new arena.

If Denver wins it, then it is definitely rigged. Stan Kroenke paid Silver close to $100 million under the table.

Ok, I'm tired of making conspiracies up. You guys can finish off the rest of the teams.

Yeah, this is the problem with paranoid reasoning. If they were going to fix the lotto this year, though, it would be for Sacramento all the way. They have the biggest claim to need, a new arena, staying in Sacto, Cousins at risk of leaving. They're the only team who would make me suspicious by jumping into the top 3.

More often it's just some random team like the Bucks, I could see them adding Ben Simmons, that would be the most absurd roster in league history.

Problem with fixing it for Sacramento is that Philly has the right to swap with them.

[gocelts]

FOR the record...or whatever this is....for the REALGM RECORD...if the Celtics win the lottery this year...I will never ever ever accuse or mock the lotto system EVER again.

And this is exactly why their are so many conspiracy theorists...because it's much easier to blame haters for your troubles than accepting personal responsibility or just attributing it to bad luck. I'm sure that the Cavaliers forum is not having this discussion right now despite their miraculous defiance of the odds in recent history.

Well yeah...DUH...that's how it goes...when attempts are made and make things fair for everyone, but certain teams get shafted over and over again, and that team is yours OF COURSE your going to complain and trash the current system!

I actually dont think the lotto is fixed. Was it fixed for the Wiz and Sixers when they drafted Wall and Turner over Cousins and George? Was it fixed fro Portland when they drafted Oden? Was it fixed for the Clippers WHO TRADED their pick that Cleveland took Irving with?

Many teams have "won" the lottery and made stupid decisions, cant just assume the teams that make good decisions or coincidentally draft a hometown favorite are getting some sort of help from the NBA.

This is also in the same light of the conspiracy theorists that accuse McHale of "gifting" KG to us....as if we didn't give up any value.

[klemen4]

More Im thinking about it, more I have a felling Danny is also ready to trade potential top 2 pick to get that first superstar....to than have a better chance for KD.

Would you do it and for who?

If you look top players in NBA:

A.Davis
P. George

Those are the only 2 I would trade Ingram and Simmons for.

Cousins

I would be very tempted, but in the end to big risk.

Butler

Would not do it, because we are strong enough at guard position.

Griffin

He has player option in 2017, to short contract.

[BRUNiNHO91]

More Im thinking about it, more I have a felling Danny is also ready to trade potential top 2 pick to get that first superstar....to than have a better chance for KD.

Would you do it and for who?

If you look top players in NBA:

A.Davis
P. George

Those are the only 2 I would trade Ingram and Simmons for.

Cousins

I would be very tempted, but in the end to big risk.

Butler

Would not do it, because we are strong enough at guard position.

Griffin

He has player option in 2017, to short contract.

Anthony Davis and Paul George wouldn't get traded though. Anthony Davis is the most untouchable player in the NBA..probably even more so than Curry. The Pacers are in a decent situation to start competing soon..with Myles Turner turning into a solid PF, Monta Ellis at the 2 guard, George Hill and PG that's a really good starting 4. They just went 7 with Toronto and even though it's Toronto, a 7 seed taking a 2 seed to 7 games is still a good sign. If they can somehow get a guy like Whiteside or Horford + a couple more bench pieces in free agency they would be really good. Neither team is looking at a rebuild right now...so it's impossible to get these guys. Jimmy Butler is a guy we might not want to trade a top 2 pick for but he's a guy that can be available due to the Bulls possibly blowing it up. It probably wouldn't even take a top 2 pick either..a 3 or 4 could get it done. Butler is 27 when the season starts, so he's young but not that young. Noah is gone, Rose is not even a top 50 player anymore at this point..Gasol is gone. Makes too much sense for them to rebuild that team now and kick things off with a roster consisting of a top 2-4 pick(Ingram, Hield, Dunn, Bender) with McDermott, Mirotic, Portis + their draft pick + whatever draft picks we give them and Marcus Smart, James Young or RJ Hunter maybe even Jordan Mickey or Kelly Olynyk. They could probably get a top 15 pick in this draft for Rose also as he's still good enough to start for somebody..I can see teams like Utah, Orlando or Milwaukee wanting to get in on him even if it's for marketing reasons alone..dude would still sell a lot of jerseys on some of these cities. If Chicago does decide to keep going with Butler, regardless of what they do with the rest of the roster, they wouldn't contend until 2020 when Butler is like 31..unless of course they struck a miracle with Durant or Rose got back to MVP level or something. But free agents know that roster is trending on a downward spiral right now. We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

[klemen4]

We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

Agree...but would you give up TOP 2 pick for them???

I would have hard time to sleep at night, but in the end I would do it for Cosuins if I knew KD would follow. I would not do it for Butler.

[Murta]

We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

Agree...but would you give up TOP 2 pick for them???

I would have hard time to sleep at night, but in the end I would do it for Cosuins if I knew KD would follow. I would not do it for Butler.

If I decidedly knew Durant is coming, I would also give up top 2 pick for Butler because it's basically trading top 2 for Butler and Durant, which is a no-brainer move. Only for Butler, without Durant: no way Jose. Might not even do it with 3rd pick.

[rickrolled]

2014 offseason was boring, so was 2015, hopefully that changes this year. Just need some lottery luck.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

Agree...but would you give up TOP 2 pick for them???

I would have hard time to sleep at night, but in the end I would do it for Cosuins if I knew KD would follow. I would not do it for Butler.

If I decidedly knew Durant is coming, I would also give up top 2 pick for Butler because it's basically trading top 2 for Butler and Durant, which is a no-brainer move. Only for Butler, without Durant: no way Jose. Might not even do it with 3rd pick.

I would trade all 3 Nets picks for Kevin Durant's mother if it guaranteed Kevin Durant signing in Boston.

[CavemanDoctor]

A few months ago I posted on here that I had a dream IT would be our lotto representative and that we would get the 2nd pick. Turns out IT will be our guy. 2nd pick it is fellas.

[BRUNiNHO91]

We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

Agree...but would you give up TOP 2 pick for them???

I would have hard time to sleep at night, but in the end I would do it for Cosuins if I knew KD would follow. I would not do it for Butler.

Idk. I probably would give a top 2 depending on a couple of things, one being Butler getting medically cleared..but I wouldn't include Smart, Jae, AB or IT with it. Rumor has it they want Jae and I wouldn't even include him if it was a top 3-4 pick being involved instead of top 2. I'd give them Rozier, Hunter, Olynyk, Mickey or anybody else on the roster + however many picks we have this year. Jimmy Butler will probably be better than Simmons and Ingram for the next 3-4 years until they really get going. So if the goal is to kind of build a big time team soon and if Danny feels Butler + the core we have puts us as a destination place for Durant or free agents for years to come then yeah I would. For Cousins I'd do top 2 + Smart..but that's pretty much where I draw the line.

Truth is that for a superstar to come to Boston a pretty decent overpay will be needed. People won't like it but I swear there was people in here who didn't like the Big Al for KG trade and thought that was an overpay of some sorts..so..whatever. We will most likely be in the lottery again next year anyways..a couple risks need to be taken IMO.

[watsonthedragon]

We have to be realistic..if we want an All Star, Jimmy Butler and DeMarcus Cousins are probably the only two we have a shot at.

Agree...but would you give up TOP 2 pick for them???

I would have hard time to sleep at night, but in the end I would do it for Cosuins if I knew KD would follow. I would not do it for Butler.

If I knew KD WASN'T coming I would still give up the top 2 pick for Cousins. I don't think I would for Butler though.

[Froob]

A few months ago I posted on here that I had a dream IT would be our lotto representative and that we would get the 2nd pick. Turns out IT will be our guy. 2nd pick it is fellas.

I was hoping for Evan Turner, we got the #1 when he was the rep in my dream. I'll take that #2 pick gladly.

[peachbucket]

A few months ago I posted on here that I had a dream IT would be our lotto representative and that we would get the 2nd pick. Turns out IT will be our guy. 2nd pick it is fellas.

I was hoping for Evan Turner, we got the #1 when he was the rep in my dream. I'll take that #2 pick gladly.

I had a dream that IT grew 8 inches over the summer and became Westbrook 2.0