Future of Hawks Basketball

[Jamaaliver]

We arent in the position the Spurs were in, and FYI the Spurs were the worst team in the league thats how they got Duncan.

Kind of. Spurs had a terrible season in 1996 where they ended up tanking after a D Robinson injury, but they had made the playoffs seven straight years before that. The core of that 1999 championship team was already onboard when they drafted Duncan. (Sean Elliott, Avery Johnson, Will Perdue, David Robinson). But I 100% get your point here.

I think 2012 (Ferry's first year here), should have been our bottoming out season. If we'd dumped Smoove and Teague for picks...and just embrace being terrible for one year...you could be looking at KCP & Giannis as Hawks for a decade. But I digress.

Again our ONLY trade pieces really are Millsap and DS. that's it. Show me some way you acquire better talent without "tanking" and im all ears.

...and Teague. Teague and Millsap combined can get value. Sacramento is desperate for a playoff run. ORL is desperate for a playoff run. MIL is desperate for a playoff run. UTAH is desperate for a playoff run. They each have too much youth, and are in need of proven vets.

But, yeah. it's tough. We've screwed up so many draft picks the last 5 years. With that said...Thabo, Korver & Tiago are good locker room guys. And if we can pull a Hayward, Oladipo, Valanciunas, or Julius Randle caliber of young player in return...it keeps us competitive while lowering payroll, extending our window and focusing on their development.

But there is no single, cure-all move. More just long-range set of moves and strategies to embrace.

[PandaKidd]

*COUGHDIAWCOUGH*

[Jamaaliver]

*COUGHDIAWCOUGH*

I have no idea what this means

There is hope. We just gotta be smart.

[Geaux_Hawks]

*COUGHDIAWCOUGH*

I have no idea what this means

There is hope. We just gotta be smart.

Boris Diaw

[Jamaaliver]

Boris Diaw

Lol. Yeah, I gathered that much. I still don't fully get the relevance, though.

Do we want to add him?



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[PandaKidd]

I was referencing the "spurs take other teams players no one wants and makes them better"

I believe Diaw fits in that mold kinda. Hell he was ALMOST finals MVP there in 2012

[Jamaaliver]

I was referencing the "spurs take other teams players no one wants and makes them better"

I believe Diaw fits in that mold kinda. Hell he was ALMOST finals MVP there in 2012

Got it!!!!


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[Hawkamanic81]

The Hawks future is the same as their past. Lots of mediocrity and weak playoff runs.

[cedric76]

ohh, so you r sure that Al will walk?

[PandaKidd]

If Atlanta offers him the 5 year boat, it will be hard for someone like him to turn it down (an aging out of position non superstar).

The question becomes to me, what is every other team willing to pay him? When Deng hit FA he thought hed get 15 million a year, didn't he settle at 9 or 10?

Al has some options, I mean would he do a Millsap deal? 2 year max with PO on the third? I've heard everyone is shooting for NEXT year when the cap goes up again , could he do a 1+1 and try to get the 10 year vet max after that?

I don't think he would do that. He wants to stay in Atlanta, but will Atlanta pay him which would effectively recycle this team again for next year and the year after

[Geaux_Hawks]

If Atlanta offers him the 5 year boat, it will be hard for someone like him to turn it down (an aging out of position non superstar).

The question becomes to me, what is every other team willing to pay him? When Deng hit FA he thought hed get 15 million a year, didn't he settle at 9 or 10?

Al has some options, I mean would he do a Millsap deal? 2 year max with PO on the third? I've heard everyone is shooting for NEXT year when the cap goes up again , could he do a 1+1 and try to get the 10 year vet max after that?

I don't think he would do that. He wants to stay in Atlanta, but will Atlanta pay him which would effectively recycle this team again for next year and the year after

I think every other team will max him if they have too, but more because they have pieces that he would compliment. Al's a versatile big who can do a lot of different things.

He's not going to lead a team to a championship, but he can be a complimentary piece to a team looking for something to put them over the hump. Al could go to Detroit, Indiana, Toronto, Minny, or somewhere that has assets to sign him and then trade for a star(Boston, LAL, Philly).

What does that mean for us? Well if we want to keep this core, then Al will have to get the 5 year boat. If Al thinks he's being low balled, and wants to shoot for next year. Maybe he does settle for the 1+1. The ball is in his court, and he has plenty of options. Even if we offer 5 years, I wouldn't be shocked if he turned it down.

[PandaKidd]

Al in Houston if Dwight bolts, Al in Boston would be cool, Al in Indiana sounds intriguing to me.

[ATL Boy]

I wouldn't mind signing Al to a 1 year deal. He and Millsap would opt out next year (probably) to take advantage of the growing cap, and that would essentially free up a boat load of cap space. If we want to re-tool and bring in new players, that wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Jamaaliver]

I wouldn't mind signing Al to a 1 year deal. He and Millsap would opt out next year (probably) to take advantage of the growing cap, and that would essentially free up a boat load of cap space. If we want to re-tool and bring in new players, that wouldn't be a bad idea.

You guys are gonna think I'm crazy/stubborn/foolish.

But I would re-sign Horford. Five years. Hoping to keep him from a full max, though. If that's what it takes to keep him...Id bite the bullet.

But I'd be willing/ready to trade him at a moments notice for the right package. I'd trade Millsap and Teague for Oladipo or comparable young talent.

I'd move Al to PF. Sign Joakim to a cheap/short deal. Letting Noah/Splitter/Tavares platoon at Center. Fill the rest of the roster with bargain vets. And see what Dennis and THJ can do with larger roles.

A year from now, we re-assess. Trading any and everyone as we see fit.

If we increase AL's role in the offense, we can likely inflate his trade value enough moving forward.

Horford, JJ and Josh were our three most valuable assets we've had in a decade. No way I let all three walk away with minimal return.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I wouldn't mind signing Al to a 1 year deal. He and Millsap would opt out next year (probably) to take advantage of the growing cap, and that would essentially free up a boat load of cap space. If we want to re-tool and bring in new players, that wouldn't be a bad idea.

You guys are gonna think I'm crazy/stubborn/foolish.

But I would re-sign Horford. Five years. Hoping to keep him from a full max, though. If that's what it takes to keep him...Id bite the bullet.

But I'd be willing/ready to trade him at a moments notice for the right package. I'd trade Millsap and Teague for Oladipo or comparable young talent.

I'd move Al to PF. Sign Joakim to a cheap/short deal. Letting Noah/Splitter/Tavares platoon at Center. Fill the rest of the roster with bargain vets. And see what Dennis and THJ can do with larger roles.

A year from now, we re-assess. Trading any and everyone as we see fit.

If we increase AL's role in the offense, we can likely inflate his trade value enough moving forward.

Horford, JJ and Josh were our three most valuable assets we've had in a decade. No way I let all three walk away with minimal return.

I wouldn't call it minimal return when JJ ultimately put us in our current situation. We just mismanaged the assets on JJ. Horford stay on board and gave us some good seasons. Although we are facing a rebuild or something of that nature in the face, we've remained a playoff team. Can't get to upset and worried over Horford leaving for essentially nothing.

[Jamaaliver]

Can't get to upset and worried over Horford leaving for essentially nothing.

Yeah. Everything said above makes sense. I definitely get you.

I just remember so many teams waiting to see what it would take to pilfer AL three months ago at the trade deadline. The biggest concern teams expressed was AL's impending Free Agency and him walking away after a few months.

Seems like nine months from now...we could still get a haul for him from some needy contender.



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[ATL Boy]

Anyone else think that Bud will look Dwight Howard's way if Al walks? I remember rumors of mutual interest between Dwight and Atlanta at the deadline. And while he isn't the player he once was, he'd bring some star power that I'm sure ownership is craving.

[PandaKidd]

I don't get the idea that bud is Danny ainge. He's loyal, maybe to a fault. I think Budenholzer is happy with this team and its chemistry.

I've said before I'd be OK with Horford if there was MAJOR upgrade somewhere else. Resign Horford, trade teague for oladipo, cool.

I dont see that happening though.

[Jamaaliver]

I don't get the idea that bud is Danny ainge. He's loyal, maybe to a fault...trade teague for oladipo, cool.

I dont see that happening though.

I don't think there is any chance Teague is back next season. No chance Ressler or G Hill allow the status quo yet again. If they were considering blowing it up after three bad months, a second straight sweep and overall embarrassment on a national stage will undoubtedly force ownership to adjust the roster.

And Jeff's cheap shot on LeBron was likely the final straw.

[PandaKidd]

I'm gonna back teague here. I don't think it was a cheap shot. They tried to foul lebron 3 times , refs didn't call it, teague kinda pushed him and LEBRONS momentum carried him out of bounds. Looked worse than it really was. Lebron has like 80 lbs on teague lol.

I hope you're right. Their first order of business should be to hire a full time GM. Let bud coach, he needs to only worry about that IMO.

They have to get a rim protector , I don't care how they do it. Add mozgov off the bench, trade splitter , anything.