Gay and Koufos

[LightTheBeam]

Bradley at 8mill a year is worth more than both players making 26mill. I was being serious with a trade proposal asking For Bradley and another 1st certainly is not. In the trade thread, King fans seem to attach almost a negative value to Kofuos At 8 mill per year and Gay is going to be 30 and making 19mill.

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Edit.

I take it back.

Gay and Koufus have more value than Olynyk. I'd want Bradley as well in any trade for Gay

Olynyk is overrated. I don't want him whatsoever. He is a decent 3pt shooter but he is slow and gets taken advantage of on defense. Boston pretty much cut him out of the rotation for Jerebko in the playoffs because Jerebko could actually defend. He is a throw in from my perspective. I would be okay bringing Amir in, I have always been a fan of his and he is an asset with that contract though does it become fully guaranteed if he is traded for?

[patman52]

Give us Bradley and a good pick and you have yourself a deal!

Bradley at 8mill a year is worth more than both players making 26mill. I was being serious with a trade proposal asking For Bradley and another 1st certainly is not. In the trade thread, King fans seem to attach almost a negative value to Kofuos At 8 mill per year and Gay is going to be 30 and making 19mill.

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Well i did preface my trade, with the idea that Koufos was a bad signing and he is redundant on the kings. From reading comments on him from kings fans over the last season most question spending 10% of the cap on a player that will play 12-15 min a game. I also noted that if the kings finish late lottery next year they lose thier pick in a deeper draft to the bulls.

Bradley at 8 mill a year and the 22nd pick is a way overpay for a 30 year old Gay, and a overpaid backup center. With Gay it is even more of an overpay that he can opt out next year. I only included Koufos in the deal as I though dumping his salary would make the trading of Gay more palatable to kings fans.

[patman52]

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Edit.

I take it back.

Gay and Koufus have more value than Olynyk. I'd want Bradley as well in any trade for Gay

Olynyk is overrated. I don't want him whatsoever. He is a decent 3pt shooter but he is slow and gets taken advantage of on defense. Boston pretty much cut him out of the rotation for Jerebko in the playoffs because Jerebko could actually defend. He is a throw in from my perspective. I would be okay bringing Amir in, I have always been a fan of his and he is an asset with that contract though does it become fully guaranteed if he is traded for?

Sorry, I have no idea if either Amir or Jerebko deal gets guaranteed if they are traded between seasons. Kelly is an ok piece, but he can not play against guys like Milsap, against most guys he is ok.

[sackings916]

Gay is nowhere near overpaid. Please do research before posting a trade and post the correct information. He's making a fraction of the salary you posted. He is also a near 20 PPG on efficient %'s. He can play in the post, has a good mid range game, can knock down the 3, is good on the break and can handle and go off the dribble. Add to that 6 rpg, 3 apg 1 stl and 1 blk he's well worth his salary. Did his numbers dip with a ball dominant Rondo who teams would double off of? Slightly but I don't expect Rondo to be back this season.

Koufus is a quality big, is decent offensively and an above average rim protector.

If you want both in a package you will have to give up at least one quality piece. I'm going to assume IT, Bradley and Crowder are off the table. Smart or a BK pick with top 5 protection would be around what it would take to get a deal done. The Kings have to benefit from the deal as well. Olynyk, Johnson and Jerebko don't improve the team if Gay and Koufus are going out.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bradley at 8mill a year is worth more than both players making 26mill. I was being serious with a trade proposal asking For Bradley and another 1st certainly is not. In the trade thread, King fans seem to attach almost a negative value to Kofuos At 8 mill per year and Gay is going to be 30 and making 19mill.

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Well i did preface my trade, with the idea that Koufos was a bad signing and he is redundant on the kings. From reading comments on him from kings fans over the last season most question spending 10% of the cap on a player that will play 12-15 min a game. I also noted that if the kings finish late lottery next year they lose thier pick in a deeper draft to the bulls.

Bradley at 8 mill a year and the 22nd pick is a way overpay for a 30 year old Gay, and a overpaid backup center. With Gay it is even more of an overpay that he can opt out next year. I only included Koufos in the deal as I though dumping his salary would make the trading of Gay more palatable to kings fans.

I disagree. That pick is, well, this draft sucks past a certain point. Just plain sucks. Gay for Bradley, I personally think the C's could really use someone like Gay that can consistently create his own shot but I guess it would depend on how the C's felt about the loss of Bradley. The way I look at it is they are trying to hammer in 3 smallish G's demanding minutes into their lineup and I hated the Kings doing that this year so I know what's that's like. The league has too much size at SG/SF these days. So who goes, IT, Smart, or Bradley? Value wise Bradley will be hit or miss for teams. His on ball defense is awesome, but if they are looking at him to produce, he's really just a dinky-ish SG. With the Kings I think they could survive his shortcomings at PG and still play him there because hopefully they go more to a half court post up/spread offense with Joerger.

[SacKingZZZ]

Gay is nowhere near overpaid. Please do research before posting a trade and post the correct information. He's making a fraction of the salary you posted. He is also a near 20 PPG on efficient %'s. He can play in the post, has a good mid range game, can knock down the 3, is good on the break and can handle and go off the dribble. Add to that 6 rpg, 3 apg 1 stl and 1 blk he's well worth his salary. Did his numbers dip with a ball dominant Rondo who teams would double off of? Slightly but I don't expect Rondo to be back this season.

Koufus is a quality big, is decent offensively and an above average rim protector.

If you want both in a package you will have to give up at least one quality piece. I'm going to assume IT, Bradley and Crowder are off the table. Smart or a BK pick with top 5 protection would be around what it would take to get a deal done. The Kings have to benefit from the deal as well. Olynyk, Johnson and Jerebko don't improve the team if Gay and Koufus are going out.

Another thing to add about Gay is that Kings fans know first hand what it's like when you don't have the fire power you need at SF to go back at guys in a league that seems to be dominated by top wings these days. Gay can still go toe to toe with many of the top SF's and it took a loooong time for Sacramento to finally get that. They better not let that go for nothing.

[PaKwAn]

im not a big fan of gay but with joerger as the coach, i think this will benefit rudy a lot and use him properly.

[LightTheBeam]

Bradley at 8mill a year is worth more than both players making 26mill. I was being serious with a trade proposal asking For Bradley and another 1st certainly is not. In the trade thread, King fans seem to attach almost a negative value to Kofuos At 8 mill per year and Gay is going to be 30 and making 19mill.

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Well i did preface my trade, with the idea that Koufos was a bad signing and he is redundant on the kings. From reading comments on him from kings fans over the last season most question spending 10% of the cap on a player that will play 12-15 min a game. I also noted that if the kings finish late lottery next year they lose thier pick in a deeper draft to the bulls.

Bradley at 8 mill a year and the 22nd pick is a way overpay for a 30 year old Gay, and a overpaid backup center. With Gay it is even more of an overpay that he can opt out next year. I only included Koufos in the deal as I though dumping his salary would make the trading of Gay more palatable to kings fans.

Regardless how you feel about the Koufos signing it doesn't make his value go down, the Celtics are redundant this upcoming year with Thomas/Smart/Bradley/Rozier/Hunter it doesn't mean you should go giving assets away for nothing that isn't how this works.

Telling me that you are knowingly making my team worse with the intention of me keeping my pick next year when we want to make the playoffs is not helping your case. I am doing everything I can to make sure we are good enough that the Chicago pick is gone next year, I am not trading my best guys and saying "hey guys don't worry! It's May 2016 but at least we will have our draft pick in July of 2017" you can't be serious?

I put Bradley and Gay around similar value, depends what you need. Gay brings size and scoring from the 3, Bradley brings man defense from the guard. I understand if you don't want to make the trade, I don't think our teams make good trading partners but don't come ask to trade your nickels for my quarter it's just not going to happen.

Koufos could be dumped without including Gay so that isn't helping your case.

[patman52]

Thats rich... You offer us spare parts for Rudy Gay and Koufos and then he counters and you say its not a serious offer? If we are dealing Gay I would first and foremost ask Jae Crowder, Boston would decline rightfully so. I would settle for Bradley or Smart and Amir for Gay and Koufos. If you don't like the value I suggest you look elsewhere for a career 19/6 guy on decent efficiency.

Well i did preface my trade, with the idea that Koufos was a bad signing and he is redundant on the kings. From reading comments on him from kings fans over the last season most question spending 10% of the cap on a player that will play 12-15 min a game. I also noted that if the kings finish late lottery next year they lose thier pick in a deeper draft to the bulls.

Bradley at 8 mill a year and the 22nd pick is a way overpay for a 30 year old Gay, and a overpaid backup center. With Gay it is even more of an overpay that he can opt out next year. I only included Koufos in the deal as I though dumping his salary would make the trading of Gay more palatable to kings fans.

Regardless how you feel about the Koufos signing it doesn't make his value go down, the Celtics are redundant this upcoming year with Thomas/Smart/Bradley/Rozier/Hunter it doesn't mean you should go giving assets away for nothing that isn't how this works.

Telling me that you are knowingly making my team worse with the intention of me keeping my pick next year when we want to make the playoffs is not helping your case. I am doing everything I can to make sure we are good enough that the Chicago pick is gone next year, I am not trading my best guys and saying "hey guys don't worry! It's May 2016 but at least we will have our draft pick in July of 2017" you can't be serious?

I put Bradley and Gay around similar value, depends what you need. Gay brings size and scoring from the 3, Bradley brings man defense from the guard. I understand if you don't want to make the trade, I don't think our teams make good trading partners but don't come ask to trade your nickels for my quarter it's just not going to happen.

Koufos could be dumped without including Gay so that isn't helping your case.

Yes Koufos could be dumped no problem, there are plenty of teams with cap space that could take him on, But don't expect a first back. The guy got very little interest in FA last year and at 8 mil I would expect there won't be teams lining up to give value.

I don't understand how you can value Gay and Bradley the same when Bradley is years younger and signed for 2 years at 8 mil per year. Gay is only locked up for one and gets paid almost twice that. I know and the celtics know that they need more scoring from the wing, That is why there is no secret that Butler at age 26 and locked up for 3 more years is their #1 trade priority.

And what diff does it make on a fan internet board. I could offer the bkn pick and Crowder it is still not going to happen, even if you would agree that it is ok by you . I THOUGHT Jerebko, Amir (better player than Koufos and better fit for the Kings alongside Cousins and WCS), Hunter and Olynyk for one year of Gay and Koufos I think is reasonable.

You want to max wins next year, I understand that as a fan. But to pass up a top ten player for 6-8 more wins? And what if Rondo leaves, getting that extra 8 wins will be tough. Like you and other King's fans have said, the teams don't match up well from your perspective.

[SacKingZZZ]

I for one am not totally sure Kosta can be dumped. That will be determined by this upcoming draft with a ton of middle rung bigs available and free agency. If Mozgov, Hibbert, Aldrich, etc. get 10+ a year then he's a steal. But there are a lot of similarly talented bigs out there this summer.

As for value, Gay is a legit SF, Bradley is still a underwhelmingly productive combo G. I'd like Bradley at PG for the Kings and think he could make the Kings better in a lot of ways, but if he's playing SG for most teams he's going to have to be next to someone with some size at PG.

[patman52]

Olynk was 1/4th of what was coming back. Amir Johnson at the 4 is an improvement over Koufos, Hunter and Jerembko give you something back on the wing, and then Kelly Olynyk is added on to that. Yeah, you are getting 3 dimes for a quarter but my reasoning was Gay was not a guy in Kroeger long term plans due to his age.

[SacKingZZZ]

Gay is like 29-30. The Kings need to be adding anyone they can in that 29-34 range. That's a veteran team that can win now.