The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

letsgosuns · Post #1321 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon May 9, 2016 8:36 am

Qwigglez wrote:I better hear no crying from you Frank if the front office goes after Pau Gasol / Joakim Noah / Al Jefferson.

I doubt that happens. The Suns already have Chandler. And those guys will probably want to sign with contending teams anyway.

Post #1322 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon May 9, 2016 8:40 am

letsgosuns wrote:
Fortunately for the Suns, they will have a high lottery pick and might even get the number one pick, so that assures them of a major talent upgrade, at least on paper. And who knows, maybe they will be able to pull off a blockbuster trade for a star (not using Booker) and acquire a top talent, such as Jimmy Butler. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25581548/jimmy-butler-reportedly-growing-wary-of-bulls-front-office

I could see the Lakers trading their pick for Jimmy Butler, going after DeRozan & Horford.
They'd have...
Snitch
DeRozan
Jimmy
Randle
Horford

Kyler Murray · Post #1323 » by **Kyler Murray** » Mon May 9, 2016 12:11 pm

Horford's been playing out of position his whole career. Dunno, think he's underrated. (Not implying we should go after him)

Post #1324 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 9, 2016 3:34 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
Fortunately for the Suns, they will have a high lottery pick and might even get the number one pick, so that assures them of a major talent upgrade, at least on paper. And who knows, maybe they will be able to pull off a blockbuster trade for a star (not using Booker) and acquire a top talent, such as Jimmy Butler. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25581548/jimmy-butler-reportedly-growing-wary-of-bulls-front-office

I could see the Lakers trading their pick for Jimmy Butler, going after DeRozan & Horford.
They'd have...
Snitch
DeRozan
Jimmy
Randle
Horford

The only way their pick gets Butler is if it's top two, and probably first overall. Would you trade the first or second overall for Butler?

Post #1325 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon May 9, 2016 3:45 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
Fortunately for the Suns, they will have a high lottery pick and might even get the number one pick, so that assures them of a major talent upgrade, at least on paper. And who knows, maybe they will be able to pull off a blockbuster trade for a star (not using Booker) and acquire a top talent, such as Jimmy Butler. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25581548/jimmy-butler-reportedly-growing-wary-of-bulls-front-office

I could see the Lakers trading their pick for Jimmy Butler, going after DeRozan & Horford.
They'd have...
Snitch
DeRozan
Jimmy
Randle
Horford

The only way their pick gets Butler is if it's top two, and probably first overall. Would you trade the first or second overall for Butler?

Well yeah since anything below No 3 and it falls to the Sixers. I heard something somewhere that the Lakers are okay with the amount of young players they got and they would trade their pick even if it's top 2 so I assume they would package it for someone such as Cousins/Butler. I don't think the pick is enough to get Cousins, but I think if the Lakers included Jordan Clarkson the Bulls may listen to trade offers.
If the Suns got the top two pick I most certainly would not trade it for Butler because I'd rather rebuild with Booker/(Ingram/Simmons). However, like I've said before, I'm not a big fan of Jimmy Butler but if we were able to trade our pick (at 3/4) and some of our other pieces (not named Booker and Bledsoe since if we were getting Jimmy we'd have to keep him) than I would be okay with it. Is that package enough to get him? Probably not.

letsgosuns · Post #1326 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon May 9, 2016 7:39 pm

The main problem with the Suns is they really have no foundation. There are only random pieces that are unproven. Let's hypothetically say they acquire a superstar. Then what? They still have to build a team around him. It is not like they have a situation where there is already a team in place that is one or two pieces away from title contention. They have questions marks virtually everywhere besides shooting guard.

A perfect example to compare it to is the Diamondbacks when they traded for Shelby Miller. They already had a foundation in place, signed Zack Greinke, and then traded for Miller who was an all star. So after trading for Miller, on paper the team had five all stars in Goldschmidt, Pollock, Greinke, Corbin, and Miller. Now multiple negative things have happened since the trade including Pollock getting hurt, Goldschmidt playing poorly, Greinke not playing well, Corbin being inconsistent, and Miller playing awful. And the team gave up a huge package for Miller. They gave up the first pick in the draft, an excellent outfielder, and the number two pitching prospect in the organization at the time of the trade. It does not look like a good trade right now but that could eventually turn around if the team plays up to its capabilities and possibly wins a world series title.

The point is that without the foundation in place, the Diamondbacks never trade that huge package away for Miller. That is what the Suns would be doing if they trade a massive package for a star. If they trade a top 5 pick, Warren and/or Len, plus other assets for one star, they would be losing so much and the guy coming back would be coming back to a bare team. They would still not be close to winning a title. And unlike in baseball where there is no salary cap and usually several awesome players available every free agency, there are very limited options in basketball. Who else do they get? One star alone and a rookie like Booker is a good starting point but not really a foundation. You still need so much more. So after analyzing the situation, I am more inclined to keep the pick and build through the draft because trading away a huge package for just one guy when you do not have a team ready could be a huge mistake.

LofJ · Post #1327 » by **LofJ** » Mon May 9, 2016 7:42 pm

You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1328 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon May 9, 2016 8:01 pm

LofJ wrote:You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

I guess. Maybe. Whatever. I don't know. Sounds fair, if that's what you're looking for.

Walt_Uoob · Post #1329 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Mon May 9, 2016 8:03 pm

LofJ wrote:You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

No idea what our management is really thinking or who they're targeting in the draft, but I could definitely see them doing something like that if there's someone they have their eyes on who doesn't look like he's going to fall to 28. They don't want to bring in four rookies next year, we do know that.

LofJ · Post #1330 » by **LofJ** » Mon May 9, 2016 8:26 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:
LofJ wrote:You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

No idea what our management is really thinking or who they're targeting in the draft, but I could definitely see them doing something like that if there's someone they have their eyes on who doesn't look like he's going to fall to 28. They don't want to bring in four rookies next year, we do know that.

I figured that would be the case. On the flip side we only have 1 pick this year with just 7 players under contract, so we could use the additional depth in case we lose some players in free agency.

dremill24 · Post #1331 » by **dremill24** » Mon May 9, 2016 10:11 pm

I'd be all for it if someone like Luwawu, Valentine, or Prince were to be around.

Post #1332 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 9, 2016 10:29 pm

LofJ wrote:You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

Well it's obviously going to depend on who is sitting there at 22 on draft night. If it's a guy our FO highly covets, maybe. But it probably isn't out of the question considering our GM has said he doesn't want to add 4 rookies. Lets say Ulis, for example, is sitting there and we want him, I'm sure he'd do it.

Edit...I see Walt Uoob said much the same thing.

Post #1333 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 9, 2016 10:31 pm

dremill24 wrote:I'd be all for it if someone like Luwawu, Valentine, or Prince were to be around.

Yeah, definitely Valentine. Not seen enough of the other two.

letsgosuns · Post #1334 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon May 9, 2016 11:06 pm

Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

Post #1335 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon May 9, 2016 11:27 pm

LofJ wrote:You guys have any interest in trading up with Charlotte? The 28th and 34th pick for our pick at 22?

Haven't looked that far but that sounds like fair value.

Post #1336 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 10, 2016 12:23 am

letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

People are saying the Hawks need to shake up their team and some say they need a superstar...one said they just need someone who's not afraid to take over at the end and play some iso.

I told them they should trade for Brandon Knight. He certainly likes to try and take over. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1442993&start=137#start_here

Post #1337 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue May 10, 2016 12:35 am

letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

So he can basically pick from the Warriors/Spurs/Wizards and then us? Earl Watson needs to do some kind of voodoo magic for him to choose Phoenix. Booker is definitely a new selling point to any incoming free agents though.

RaisingArizona · Post #1338 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue May 10, 2016 1:27 am

letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

Lebron, Aldridge, Durant...

letsgosuns · Post #1339 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue May 10, 2016 2:04 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

Lebron, Aldridge, Durant...

The worst part about it is the guys who were the fallback signings. Thomas, Tolliver, Weems, Teletovic. Being stuck with Markieff. Assuming the Suns go all out for Durant and do not get him, I wonder what will be the garbage signing they pull off as the fallback this offseason. They will probably throw a bunch of money at some mediocre veteran and say he brings leadership to a young team. It is sad.

Post #1340 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 10, 2016 2:25 am

Qwigglez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Gambo said on the radio today the Suns will make a pitch to Kevin Durant and try to get him to Phoenix. He had an entire segment on it. Him and his partner both agreed they do not see it happening but that the Suns will make the call and try to get a chance to make a presentation to him. Gambo went on to say that in order to do it, the Suns will have to do something like trade their pick and maybe another pick to get an impact player to Phoenix prior to making the pitch. Kind of like the how the Suns got Chandler to play with Aldridge. So I guess what a lot of us on here have speculated for a long time about the Suns trading for a star might happen on draft night. Regardless, I see no reason why Durant would come to the Suns if he has his choice of any team in the league. I know Watson played with him for two years but that would have to be the greatest sales pitch of all time to get Durant on the Suns. Seems like this might be the third season in a row where the Suns go for the top guy available and come up with nothing.

So he can basically pick from the Warriors/Spurs/Wizards and then us? Earl Watson needs to do some kind of voodoo magic for him to choose Phoenix. Booker is definitely a new selling point to any incoming free agents though.

He can pick anyone. Hopefully if it's not us, and it won't be, it is OKC...if not I hope he goes east. BUT WATSON DID PLAY WITH HIM ONE YEAR.....