Where now for Lin 2016/17

[bondom34]

Last time I checked Lin played 5893 mins as a starter and 3980 mins as a sub. Do the math.

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope.

Yep. Sorry, but Lin isn't starting for the Spurs, he's not as good a player as Patty Mills. He's just not. You can dream of it all you'd like, but his performance to date outside a short spurt in NY hasn't shown the ability that Mills has.

[hood30]

Last time I checked Lin played 5893 mins as a starter and 3980 mins as a sub. Do the math.

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope. You don't know anything about Pop. He is a defensive master. He wouldn't allow his daily starting PG to be too short.

I'm a huge Lin fan but I seriously doubt Pop would start Lin ahead of Mills...In my own opinion and from eye test, I believe Lin is better than Mills, but Pop has coached Mills for a number of years and is familiar with him, so that alone would must likely give Mills the nod over Lin to start.

I believe Lin is better because he's the bigger point guard at a full 6'3 while Mills is short at only 6'0...That alone is huge since most coaches prefer bigger guards

As comparison, Mills is the better shooter with better shooting-line stats while Lin is the more explosive scorer and can get to the lane better by attacking the rim...Lin also gets to the free-throw line at a very high rate...Even when he's coming off the bench, Lin is able to average in double digit for the season at about 12ppg....Mills can only muster a 8.7ppg average for the season.

I also believe Lin is the better defender, although I'm sure many who haven't watched Lin closely, would disagree but it's more because of perception and what they've heard...Lin is a much better defender than people think...Just ask Clifford, the Hornets coach, about Lin and he'll tell you how surprised he was about Lin's defense..And it's because of the perception that has been built about Lin being a total liability on the defensive end...Lin was actually the best wing defender in Charlotte..Better than Kemba and Lamb and PJ Hairston.

So watching Mills and Lin, I believe Lin is the better defender and Lin's 6'3 frame is preferable to Mills 6'0 frame.


But with everything said, I still believe Pop would start Mills ahead of Lin because he's familiar with him...I think Pop would have issue with Lin's turn-over since this is one of Lin's weakness, although this part of his game has gotten better with Charlotte.

[HartfordWhalers]

Last time I checked Lin played 5893 mins as a starter and 3980 mins as a sub. Do the math.

Well...
369 games played
183 games started

Lin has been a starter in less than half his games. Granted it is close enough that it should just be called half.

Probably a better example I can think of offhand is Goodwin this season. 451 minutes as a starter, 663 as a sub. 40% of the time he is a starter! Except he played 57 games and only started 13.

Taking minutes and ignoring that you play more minutes when starting overstates how much a player starts.

[Slava]

Last time I checked Lin played 5893 mins as a starter and 3980 mins as a sub. Do the math.

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope. You don't know anything about Pop. He is a defensive master. He wouldn't allow his daily starting PG to be too short.

Being short never affected Chris Paul or Beverley from being solid defensive players, it certainly helps to have longer wingspan when you have the defensive instincts of Rubio or John Wall to get steals, otherwise as long he fights through screens and stays attached to his man, Mills will be more than fine. He's far more consistent than Lin in every aspect of the game.

[RightToCensor]

I like him on the Mavericks. He fits the pick and roll/drive and kick system with Dirk and the spot up shooters surrounding them.

Lin, Parsons, and Howard all reuniting in Dallas.

[fatlever]

Last time I checked Lin played 5893 mins as a starter and 3980 mins as a sub. Do the math.

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope. You don't know anything about Pop. He is a defensive master. He wouldn't allow his daily starting PG to be too short.

Avery Johnson says hi

[lin is ok]

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope. You don't know anything about Pop. He is a defensive master. He wouldn't allow his daily starting PG to be too short.

Being short never affected Chris Paul or Beverley from being solid defensive players, it certainly helps to have longer wingspan when you have the defensive instincts of Rubio or John Wall to get steals, otherwise as long he fights through screens and stays attached to his man, Mills will be more than fine. He's far more consistent than Lin in every aspect of the game.

looking forward to see patty carry the spurs

[Slava]

Nope. You don't know anything about Pop. He is a defensive master. He wouldn't allow his daily starting PG to be too short.

Being short never affected Chris Paul or Beverley from being solid defensive players, it certainly helps to have longer wingspan when you have the defensive instincts of Rubio or John Wall to get steals, otherwise as long he fights through screens and stays attached to his man, Mills will be more than fine. He's far more consistent than Lin in every aspect of the game.

looking forward to see patty carry the spurs

That time would be better spent with a dictionary and a crash course in reading comprehension.

[KM6]

Being short never affected Chris Paul or Beverley from being solid defensive players, it certainly helps to have longer wingspan when you have the defensive instincts of Rubio or John Wall to get steals, otherwise as long he fights through screens and stays attached to his man, Mills will be more than fine. He's far more consistent than Lin in every aspect of the game.

looking forward to see patty carry the spurs

That time would be better spent with a dictionary and a crash course in reading comprehension.

Looking forward to see patty consistently carry the Spurs.

[bondom34]

looking forward to see patty carry the spurs

That time would be better spent with a dictionary and a crash course in reading comprehension.

Looking forward to see patty consistently carry the Spurs.

Alright, stop.

If you can't realize that's not what he said, don't bother posting to be a jerk.

[KM6]

That time would be better spent with a dictionary and a crash course in reading comprehension.

Looking forward to see patty consistently carry the Spurs.

Alright, stop.

If you can't realize that's not what he said, don't bother posting to be a jerk.

Lol, just want to lighten the mood here. Have a good night.

[PG13]

I don't understand where this Mills start or Lin starts debate come from. If Mills is good enough to be the starting PG, why would the Spurs want to sign Lin? There are tons of PGs out there who can back up Mills.

[bondom34]

I don't understand where this Mills start or Lin starts debate come from. If Mills is good enough to be the starting PG, why would the Spurs want to sign Lin? There are tons of PGs out there who can back up Mills.

I don't know.

People are claiming Lin goes to the Spurs, which makes no sense if he wants to start even if they dump Parker because Mills would start.

Lin could backup anyone, but if he wants to start its gonna be on a bad team.

His choice, start for a bad team or backup someone on a good team.

[PG13]

I don't understand where this Mills start or Lin starts debate come from. If Mills is good enough to be the starting PG, why would the Spurs want to sign Lin? There are tons of PGs out there who can back up Mills.

I don't know.

People are claiming Lin goes to the Spurs, which makes no sense if he wants to start even if they dump Parker because Mills would start.

Lin could backup anyone, but if he wants to start its gonna be on a bad team.

His choice, start for a bad team or backup someone on a good team.

This past season he chose to backup someone on a bad team (Charlotte didn't make the playoff the year before).

I've always thought Indiana needs a playmaking point guard (Hill is more of a scoring guard IMO). Don't know why no one ever mentioned the Pacers as a possibility. Bird wants more offense. Would be awesome if Lin joins the Pacers, and I get to watch two of my favorite players play together.

[bondom34]

I don't understand where this Mills start or Lin starts debate come from. If Mills is good enough to be the starting PG, why would the Spurs want to sign Lin? There are tons of PGs out there who can back up Mills.

I don't know.

People are claiming Lin goes to the Spurs, which makes no sense if he wants to start even if they dump Parker because Mills would start.

Lin could backup anyone, but if he wants to start its gonna be on a bad team.

His choice, start for a bad team or backup someone on a good team.

This past season he chose to backup someone on a bad team (Charlotte didn't make the playoff the year before).

I've always thought Indiana needs a playmaking point guard (Hill is more of a scoring guard IMO). Don't know why no one ever mentioned the Pacers as a possibility. Bird wants more offense. Would be awesome if Lin joins the Pacers, and I get to watch two of my favorite players play together.

They already have Ellis, who's essentially a playmaking SG.

Edit: They also have to find a big man or 2 and only have 16 mil in cap space.

And when he joined CHA, they were clearly going for a playoff push and clearly had a starter. He wouldn't start on all bad teams either, he'd only really start for maybe 3-5 teams without thinking at most.

[spaceballer]

According to this tweet, he's 2nd best overall out of all the players in the playoffs in terms of on/off defensive rating differential:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/731123876973948929[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/731123876973948929

Yes, I realize it's a small sample size and net ratings and such aren't very reliable. Nonetheless, it's of a piece with the rest of his performance this season where he's been a defensive stalwart for the Hornets throughout the season. He's not an elite defensive stopper, but he's proven to be capable of playing good defense.

Do you think he's finally managed to kick that unwarranted rep of poor defense that he picked up playing besides the defenseless Harden, the senior citizen Kobe that wasn't capable of the defense he may have had in his prime and sharing the court with guys like Boozer, and D'Antoni's coaching scheme of trading defensive pressure for leakouts and fastbreaks?

Once upon a time, he was seen as a defensive specialist coming off the bench for Golden State. This season, Charlotte's coach Clifford, a defensive-minded coach, praised Lin's defense in interviews.

After this season's performance, including being ranked 2nd best overall out of all players in the playoffs for defensive rating differential, do you think he's finally managed to shed that image of "no defense"? Or do you think erroneous media impressions like that take time to shed?

That should help his free agency if he's finally overcome that unwarranted narrative.

[spaceballer]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/_Ed_Hamilton/status/731317962439688193[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/_Ed_Hamilton/status/731317962439688193

That seems to be the list from Hoopshype's review.

[spaceballer]

These highlights packages were posted today. Obviously, highlights don't tell the full story and can be used to make any player look good. But I thought it might be interesting in this discussion for the people who haven't seen him play much this season.

Assists:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9Ahfnt7q4[/youtube]

Defense:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85W1WjTu21k[/youtube]

Layups:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWEOY0DpCFE[/youtube]

Jumpshots:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE_eqiMAo6A[/youtube]

Backdoor cuts:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjdaNqG_kRk[/youtube]

Floaters:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql995fw1bJ0[/youtube]

3pters:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIVq-i0LA6g[/youtube]

[RightToCensor]

Lin could be the next in line to takeover the starting PG spot for San Antonio. I think the Spurs will take a hard look at him if they aren't able to snag Mike Conley.

[cw3k]

My apologies. He's still been worse than Mills, which would lend him to the bench in SAS.

Nope.

Yep. Sorry, but Lin isn't starting for the Spurs, he's not as good a player as Patty Mills. He's just not. You can dream of it all you'd like, but his performance to date outside a short spurt in NY hasn't shown the ability that Mills has.

If Spurs gets Lin, Lin will definitely starts over Mill. OKC beated Spurs because Parker played like garbage and old age. They need a playmaker and a penetrater, not just someone who can shoot 3. If Mill was able to fill that role, Pop would have him playing instead of Parker.

But I agreed that Parker is not going anywhere or getting a demotion any time soon. If Spurs do find a replacement for Parker, Parker will continue to start. Maybe he will get his minute cut. Parker will not get traded no matter what.