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Post#21 » by DBC10 » Fri May 13, 2016 10:34 pm

hoophabit wrote:This just goes to show how badly USA basketball has fallen, to invite two players who are the very definition of mediocrity.

I don't see how getting an opportunity to train with and play against the very best players in the league would not be a good thing for Stanley Johnson.


And they're basically scrimmage fodder against the actual Olympic team. That builds to the experience and gives them a chance to learn from the greats. I personally would love to see KCP learn from Wade and Harden. SJ of course will be with Lebron and KD.

I'm so glad we're out there.
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Post#22 » by joedumars1 » Fri May 13, 2016 11:08 pm

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hoophabit wrote:This just goes to show how badly USA basketball has fallen, to invite two players who are the very definition of mediocrity.

I don't see how getting an opportunity to train with and play against the very best players in the league would not be a good thing for Stanley Johnson.


And they're basically scrimmage fodder against the actual Olympic team. That builds to the experience and gives them a chance to learn from the greats. I personally would love to see KCP learn from Wade and Harden. SJ of course will be with Lebron and KD.

I'm so glad we're out there.

Don't want KCP learning from Harden at all, but Wade hell yeah.

Not so sure how Lebron will be with SJ
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Post#23 » by Laimbeer » Sat May 14, 2016 12:16 am

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Kilo wrote:Good for KCP, bad for Stanley who is supposed to be having a development/skillz off-season.

I felt the same way at first. Looking at it closer, this is probably leaps and bounds better for his development than anything else. Hopefully he absorbs it.


Also good for developing bonds/recruiting, lets hope he becomes good friends with anthony davis ;)


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Post#24 » by Blkbrd671 » Sat May 14, 2016 12:28 am

Guys i am almost sure SVG is telling SJ and KCP to go. That sort of experience can only be positive for developing talent. Not to mention their mental approach. They get to practice against the best players in the world. Naturally the bar will be raised and so will their development
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Post#25 » by Pharaoh » Sat May 14, 2016 1:23 am

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DBC10 wrote:
hoophabit wrote:This just goes to show how badly USA basketball has fallen, to invite two players who are the very definition of mediocrity.

I don't see how getting an opportunity to train with and play against the very best players in the league would not be a good thing for Stanley Johnson.


And they're basically scrimmage fodder against the actual Olympic team. That builds to the experience and gives them a chance to learn from the greats. I personally would love to see KCP learn from Wade and Harden. SJ of course will be with Lebron and KD.

I'm so glad we're out there.

Don't want KCP learning from Harden at all, but Wade hell yeah.

Not so sure how Lebron will be with SJ


KCP learning offense from Harden ain't bad...

And Lebron loves SJ IMO! Game recognizes Game.
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Post#26 » by joedumars1 » Sat May 14, 2016 1:26 am

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DBC10 wrote:
And they're basically scrimmage fodder against the actual Olympic team. That builds to the experience and gives them a chance to learn from the greats. I personally would love to see KCP learn from Wade and Harden. SJ of course will be with Lebron and KD.

I'm so glad we're out there.

Don't want KCP learning from Harden at all, but Wade hell yeah.

Not so sure how Lebron will be with SJ


KCP learning offense from Harden ain't bad...

And Lebron loves SJ IMO! Game recognizes Game.
idk if harden has much to offer. Iso ball chucking. The drawing fouls would be cool but don't think the refs will respect kcp like that.

That would be pretty cool if bron and him got along and he learned some stuff from him
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Post#27 » by DBC10 » Sat May 14, 2016 2:10 am

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Pharaoh wrote:
joedumars1 wrote: Don't want KCP learning from Harden at all, but Wade hell yeah.

Not so sure how Lebron will be with SJ


KCP learning offense from Harden ain't bad...

And Lebron loves SJ IMO! Game recognizes Game.
idk if harden has much to offer. Iso ball chucking. The drawing fouls would be cool but don't think the refs will respect kcp like that.

That would be pretty cool if bron and him got along and he learned some stuff from him


I respect that opinion since yeah, Harden doesn't play defense and his team died with him. But he's still one of the best ISO creators from beyond the arc. Something Wade doesn't do and really no other player in the league besides Curry/Lillard/Kyrie does. At the very least, KCP would be able to learn player's offensive tendencies and become and even more elite defender.
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Post#28 » by joedumars1 » Sat May 14, 2016 3:30 am

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joedumars1 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
KCP learning offense from Harden ain't bad...

And Lebron loves SJ IMO! Game recognizes Game.
idk if harden has much to offer. Iso ball chucking. The drawing fouls would be cool but don't think the refs will respect kcp like that.

That would be pretty cool if bron and him got along and he learned some stuff from him


I respect that opinion since yeah, Harden doesn't play defense and his team died with him. But he's still one of the best ISO creators from beyond the arc. Something Wade doesn't do and really no other player in the league besides Curry/Lillard/Kyrie does. At the very least, KCP would be able to learn player's offensive tendencies and become and even more elite defender.

The tendencies never crossed my mind, but you're right
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Post#29 » by kurtis48239 » Sat May 14, 2016 6:43 am

Definitly dont want them to get to buddy buddy and hopefuly none of those guys dont try to plant any seeds.
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Post#30 » by In SVG We Trust » Sat May 14, 2016 8:26 am

I could imagine KCP like a spy agent studying all players movement.
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Post#31 » by Pharaoh » Sat May 14, 2016 8:35 am

kurtis48239 wrote:Definitly dont want them to get to buddy buddy and hopefuly none of those guys dont try to plant any seeds.


I dont think KCP & SJ are the type to let friendship get in the way on the floor, SJ especially.

Also don't think people understand WHY SVG loves them so much!

Their competitive nature is what coaches love - and you really can't teach it.

You can poke and prod and try to use certain drills or mini games to spark it but at the end of the day some dudes have just got it - that's KCP & SJ to me.

You see it in the way they get after it every night - shots might not fall, legs might be tired, handle might be sloppy & their offense might make a coach cringe at times but you'll never question their effort to really compete! And that's priceless
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Post#32 » by In SVG We Trust » Sat May 14, 2016 1:42 pm

Hey, Curry and Harden were having fun and Curry don't mind to piss on Harden everytime they face it.
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Post#33 » by Montanabadboy » Sat May 14, 2016 4:46 pm

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Han Solo wrote:I felt the same way at first. Looking at it closer, this is probably leaps and bounds better for his development than anything else. Hopefully he absorbs it.


Also good for developing bonds/recruiting, lets hope he becomes good friends with anthony davis ;)


That works both ways. :o


That was my first thought. What's more likely, KCP lures Anthony Davis to Detroit? Or David lures KCP away? I could see the appeal for KCP, imagine those two on the court together when you need a stop!!!
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Post#34 » by Spider156 » Sat May 14, 2016 9:32 pm

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Spider156 wrote:I think KCP should absolutely go but I expect SJ to decline if he's serious about his skills development. The only way is if he gets lots of training at the camp. .


You don't pass up working with Team USA for some dribbling drills.

You absolutely do if you're serious with your work. I think it just matters how long it is otherwise it's a good idea to go. I wasn't saying it's bad but if it takes time away from his skills development then it'll hurt his internal development. We already know Stanley can compete. He needs to get better as a player. But I don't think the camp takes that long. It might be for a few weeks and then he can get back to what he's doing. I think he'll be fine regardless. I'm sure he'll work on his skills there anyway.
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Post#35 » by kurtis48239 » Sun May 15, 2016 2:15 am

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kurtis48239 wrote:Definitly dont want them to get to buddy buddy and hopefuly none of those guys dont try to plant any seeds.


I dont think KCP & SJ are the type to let friendship get in the way on the floor, SJ especially.

Also don't think people understand WHY SVG loves them so much!

Their competitive nature is what coaches love - and you really can't teach it.

You can poke and prod and try to use certain drills or mini games to spark it but at the end of the day some dudes have just got it - that's KCP & SJ to me.

You see it in the way they get after it every night - shots might not fall, legs might be tired, handle might be sloppy & their offense might make a coach cringe at times but you'll never question their effort to really compete! And that's priceless

I meant more towards trying to lure them away,but I get you.
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Re: KCP and Stanley get USA Select Invites 

Post#36 » by treefi » Thu May 19, 2016 3:09 am

joedumars1 wrote:
Kilo wrote:Good for KCP, bad for Stanley who is supposed to be having a development/skillz off-season.
Anytime a young player can get into the minds of Vets as good as the USA ones uh you take that.


Yeah, and he still has to make the team, correct? I doubt Stanley has a chance if that's the case. The experience will be well worth it.
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Post#38 » by MotownMadness » Thu May 19, 2016 1:10 pm

DarkSyde wrote:I wish we had 10 KCPs. This guy never stops and never looks tired.


http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/5/18/11700322/2015-2016-pistons-review-kentavious-caldwell-pope-stats

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Post#39 » by DBC10 » Thu May 19, 2016 1:27 pm

There's actually great usage of stats on that article's comments. Unlike some people's misuse of stats without accounting for factors and context.

Really wish people would stop making general and blanket statements with "muh stats" that make it hard to have constructive dialogue.
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Post#40 » by Blkbrd671 » Fri May 20, 2016 1:31 am

DarkSyde wrote:I wish we had 10 KCPs. This guy never stops and never looks tired.


http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/5/18/11700322/2015-2016-pistons-review-kentavious-caldwell-pope-stats



Disagree somewhat with this statement

The end game of this horrible section (I really don't like writing it but it has to be said) is to say that for KCP to really fulfill his offensive potential, he needs to improve his shot selection. His overall FG percentage of 42 percent isn't bad for a jumpshot heavy wing, but it is really dragged down by his long ball. His midrange game is actually respectable, going an incredible 47.6 percent in the 10-16 feet range, and 39.6 percent from 16 feet to the three point line. However, only 27 percent of his looks came from that range, and despite showing a penchant for a nice one dribble pull up mid range shot, he was quick to pull the trigger.


KCP AT LEAST 1 time per game was forced into hoisting a 3 because RJ ran the clock all the way down. I maybe over exaggerating but RJ did it enough that i believe it impacted his overall attempts number over teh course of the season.

He had questionable shots throughout the season but never to the point where i thought he needed to stop or consistently. My frustration with KCP was that he missed the shots he should have made, not that he didn't take good shots .

I am not saying that he doesn't need to improve his shot selection , as everyone does, i am saying if he can make the shots that he's capable of making , his "other poor shots" aren't nearly as glaring and probably right on average with every other SG .

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