Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[BNelley24]

For the longest time I was torn between Simmons & Ingram, but over the last few days, I've done as much research as I can.

I have come to the conclusion that Simmons HAS TO BE THE PICK. Look, I won't go into the basketball reasons because they are already posted in this thread. I'm going to bring another reason that he is the pick that some might not have thought of.

Simmons is the much larger name than Ingram. I was and still am the biggest Hinkie supporter there is. During the late Iverson years I was begging the franchise to tear it down and build through the draft. However, that being said one of the downsides of the process is that the average Joe equates 76ers with losing. The 76ers over the course of the last few years have taken a hit on the brand. I work in a casino and whenever NBA is brought up at the table the 76ers get killed. All over the country and across the globe the 76ers are a laughing stock.

If you did a poll with everyone in the world asking the basic question "Which name do you recognize more; Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram" I would guarantee SImmons would likely win by a good margin.

Simmons would instantly be the face of the franchise. When you think of LeBron you think of the Cavs, Wade:Heat, Durant&Westbrook: OKC, Curry:Warriors, Iverson:76ers BEN SIMMONS:76ers.

I'm not saying Ingram couldn't do this as well, I just think Simmons has that "it" factor on & off the court just like Iverson did. Simmons also likely has a cult following in Australia, we'd have a lot of new 76ers fans in the Down Under (especially with Brown being from there)...

Thoughts?

I'm Simmons all the way, and have been all year. I'm also a huge Hinkie supporter, but Hinkie would never use "bigger name" as a reason to take a player.

2 years from now the better player between Ingram and Simmons will be the bigger name.

I'm sure that Hinkie would have taken Simmons simply because he has the higher upside with very little risk.

I hope no one reads my post and thinks that is the #1 reason I'm going Simmons, lol...no way...It was just another check point on SImmon's side for me.

[Agnostifarian]

For the longest time I was torn between Simmons & Ingram, but over the last few days, I've done as much research as I can.

I have come to the conclusion that Simmons HAS TO BE THE PICK. Look, I won't go into the basketball reasons because they are already posted in this thread. I'm going to bring another reason that he is the pick that some might not have thought of.

Simmons is the much larger name than Ingram. I was and still am the biggest Hinkie supporter there is. During the late Iverson years I was begging the franchise to tear it down and build through the draft. However, that being said one of the downsides of the process is that the average Joe equates 76ers with losing. The 76ers over the course of the last few years have taken a hit on the brand. I work in a casino and whenever NBA is brought up at the table the 76ers get killed. All over the country and across the globe the 76ers are a laughing stock.

If you did a poll with everyone in the world asking the basic question "Which name do you recognize more; Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram" I would guarantee SImmons would likely win by a good margin.

Simmons would instantly be the face of the franchise. When you think of LeBron you think of the Cavs, Wade:Heat, Durant&Westbrook: OKC, Curry:Warriors, Iverson:76ers BEN SIMMONS:76ers.

I'm not saying Ingram couldn't do this as well, I just think Simmons has that "it" factor on & off the court just like Iverson did. Simmons also likely has a cult following in Australia, we'd have a lot of new 76ers fans in the Down Under (especially with Brown being from there)...



Thoughts?

I'm Simmons all the way, and have been all year. I'm also a huge Hinkie supporter, but Hinkie would never use "bigger name" as a reason to take a player.

2 years from now the better player between Ingram and Simmons will be the bigger name.

I'm sure that Hinkie would have taken Simmons simply because he has the higher upside with very little risk.

I think he would pick Ingram (1) better shooter (2) longer (3) better defender at the rim and on the perimeter. I also think he would have passed on Angelo Russell (1) unathletic (2) can't finish (3) can't go right (4) can't defend.

Unfortunately, we'll never know.

[BNelley24]

Any photoshopped pics of Ben in a Sixers jersey?

http://imgur.com/qdwYUGC

[Sixteen]

Any photoshopped pics of Ben in a Sixers jersey?

http://imgur.com/qdwYUGC

Nice...phone backround lol.

[cksdayoff]

2 years from now it's not hard to believe Ingram could pack on 20 more pounds of muscle to fill up that frame and be around 220 lbs at SF position. He would be imposing with that wingspan and height

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I think it's a lock you guys take Simmons.

He's the better all around player and will have a bigger impact on a game than Ingram imo.
Passing bigs are so rare in this game nowadays and combine that with his athleticism, ball handling, rebounding and an improved stroke, this kid is going to be a star.

Comments from BC make it too obvious he will be the selection and rightfully so.

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[76ciology]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWiB2gc8zxs[/youtube]

This is against probably the best defensive team in SEC as per Kenpom at 93.9 DRTG. Was a win or go home game.

Texas A&M well scouted Simmons, let him took jumpers and guarded his right hand in finishing around the rim.

[76ciology]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmGr1S9unc[/youtube]

Louiseville, the best defensive team in ACC as per Kenpom, 2nd in college basketball. Ingram was matched-up with similarly long defenders. Ingram showed PnR down the stretch and passing skills.

[Mik317]

To change the topic here after 56 pages. Which is my personal quota per chapter of my book "Ben Simmons and his missing jumper".

What's stopping Ingram from being a superstar wing?

7'3" wingspan
9'2" standing reach
44" vertical allegedly
41% 3pt shooter
Only 17% assisted FGs
30+% of his FGs are off guard duties
1.3 blocks per game (averaged 3bpg in HS)
He's shown progress to being stronger.
Better points per possession than KD in ISO and PnR
Shot 68% FT for the season but 71.5% in the last 3 months on 113 attempts. Shot 77% in HS
Impossible to stop on upper left side of the court (LBJ's sweet spot), where he shoots 52% 3, 43% mid range and 60% at the rim, at that side of the court.
He can also handle the ball and pass to open teammates.
He is also very good in transition

I like how his vert jumped from 41 to 44. Also those College "combines" are known to exaggerate a bit. If not then, Simmons has a 41 inch vert then. Regardless vert is meaningless if you can't use it in a game.

Ingram could be stopped from being a superstar if he never actually gets bigger and stronger. It is easy to point to Durant (which is also funny since the moment Bron is brought up with Simmons people lose their ****...) but we can actually point to Noel. He has added some weight and still may never get to 230. At SF (or SG) its not as big of a deal. The deal is his footspeed. He has a very plain first step. That is the real separator of "elite" talents. Nearly every "superstar" has a gdlk first step. Ingram has long strides and that will help a lot but in the NBA dudes recover quickly and until his body fills out, that length will be negated a bit. Ingram is also a guy who needs to gather to explode to the rim which also comes into play for attacking. He has the handle to create but he may not have the bounce and footspeed to do so at this level...which changes a bit.

Luckily he has time on his side and simply growing into his body could alleviate some of these things. Which is what anyone who drafts him have to believe will happen...it is not a lock tho. Some guys just don't put on weight.

[76ciology]

To change the topic here after 56 pages. Which is my personal quota per chapter of my book "Ben Simmons and his missing jumper".

What's stopping Ingram from being a superstar wing?

7'3" wingspan
9'2" standing reach
44" vertical allegedly
41% 3pt shooter
Only 17% assisted FGs
30+% of his FGs are off guard duties
1.3 blocks per game (averaged 3bpg in HS)
He's shown progress to being stronger.
Better points per possession than KD in ISO and PnR
Shot 68% FT for the season but 71.5% in the last 3 months on 113 attempts. Shot 77% in HS
Impossible to stop on upper left side of the court (LBJ's sweet spot), where he shoots 52% 3, 43% mid range and 60% at the rim, at that side of the court.
He can also handle the ball and pass to open teammates.
He is also very good in transition

I like how his vert jumped from 41 to 44. Also those College "combines" are known to exaggerate a bit. If not then, Simmons has a 41 inch vert then. Regardless vert is meaningless if you can't use it in a game.

Ingram could be stopped from being a superstar if he never actually gets bigger and stronger. It is easy to point to Durant (which is also funny since the moment Bron is brought up with Simmons people lose their ****...) but we can actually point to Noel. He has added some weight and still may never get to 230. At SF (or SG) its not as big of a deal. The deal is his footspeed. He has a very plain first step. That is the real separator of "elite" talents. Nearly every "superstar" has a gdlk first step. Ingram has long strides and that will help a lot but in the NBA dudes recover quickly and until his body fills out, that length will be negated a bit. Ingram is also a guy who needs to gather to explode to the rim which also comes into play for attacking. He has the handle to create but he may not have the bounce and footspeed to do so at this level...which changes a bit.

Luckily he has time on his side and simply growing into his body could alleviate some of these things. Which is what anyone who drafts him have to believe will happen...it is not a lock tho. Some guys just don't put on weight.

Article said 44" since he allegedly reached the top of backboard.

Yup, he doesn't have explosive first step. But he counter it with his long strides, cross overs and spin moves and the space he gets when defenders stay close at him. BTW, doesn't Kawhi and George also doesn't have that explosive first step? I could be wrong.

[Mik317]

44 inch vertical is like the best of all time. come on man.

[CoreyGallagher]

Not the best, but nobody his height really has come close to that, at least officially on DX. Although what appears to be about a 13 foot max vertical reach would be the highest in their database as well so idk. Coincidentally Simmons 12.6" max vert reach is currently the highest in archive which seems odd as well.

A lot of questionable stuff for both of them, hopefully the team does their own measurements/tests and gets all of this sorted.

[76ciology]

Not the best, but nobody his height really has come close to that, at least officially on DX. Although Ben's max vertical reach may be bull as well as he has the highest MVR in DraftExpress' archive.

Idk, a lot of questionable stuff, but hopefully the team does their own measurements/tests and gets all of this sorted.

But he reached the top of a 13 feet backboard right? At 9'2" you do the math.

[Kobblehead]

Brandon Ingram isn't even all that "coordinated athletic" as a basketball player. He's got a lot of Thad Young's goofy, quirky, jerkiness to him. So all this fawning over his physical tools is just silly, to me.

Not only is Ben Simmons a substantially better basketball player than him, but he's a significantly more smooth and better athlete as well.

[76ciology]

44 inch vertical is like the best of all time. come on man.

But he reached the top or really near the top of the backboard right?

[CoreyGallagher]

But he reached the top of a 13 feet backboard right? At 9'2" you do the math.

It looks like it, I edited my post to include that btw.

[Kobblehead]

44 inch vertical is like the best of all time. come on man.

These guys are exaggerating their verticals more than the And1 bros.

[Mik317]

again it is meaningless if you can't and dont use it in game. Jordan Farmar has a 42 inch vert. Westbrook apparently "only" 35 inch.

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