The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Gorilla Warfare]

Lakers fan in the Randle thread on the trade board suggested 13/28/Chandler for Randle.

Yay or nay? I'm thinking yay at this point...not a slam dunk, but he's 21, he's already averaging a double double, and we don't have any long-term prospects at PF. Plus we get out of Chandler's contract.

That extra pick(28) is kind of bothering me, but those late picks rarely pan out anyways, and at least this way you have a young guy you know is productive at the NBA level. Booker/Warren/Randle/Len is a nice young core.

Lakers include #2 pick and I still only say "maybe".

[letsgosuns]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
For teams interested in moving up for a guard (Dunn/Murray/Hield) expect the Suns to put a high price tag on trading 4 - young star in prime

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
Suns targets in free agency likely to include Al Horford, Nicolas Batum and restricted free agent Harrison Barnes.

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

[rsavaj]

Lakers fan in the Randle thread on the trade board suggested 13/28/Chandler for Randle.

Yay or nay? I'm thinking yay at this point...not a slam dunk, but he's 21, he's already averaging a double double, and we don't have any long-term prospects at PF. Plus we get out of Chandler's contract.

That extra pick(28) is kind of bothering me, but those late picks rarely pan out anyways, and at least this way you have a young guy you know is productive at the NBA level. Booker/Warren/Randle/Len is a nice young core.

Lakers include #2 pick and I still only say "maybe".

lol you wouldn't trade 13/28/Chandler for the #2 pick?

okay sure

[RaisingArizona]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
For teams interested in moving up for a guard (Dunn/Murray/Hield) expect the Suns to put a high price tag on trading 4 - young star in prime

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
Suns targets in free agency likely to include Al Horford, Nicolas Batum and restricted free agent Harrison Barnes.

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

I feel like McD is going to totally redeem himself this offseason.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Swap 28 for 34.

I'd rather have 34 TBH. I know that 6 spots is not an insignificant difference but that 2nd rounder is gonna be on a non-guaranteed deal which is nice.

Not necessarily. It also gives them a chance to leave sooner if they perform well because you don't hold bird rights and might not be able to match an offer that another team gives them. Late picks in THIS draft are gold because they will be among the cheapest contracts in the league and you hold their rights for 4 (and really most likely 8). Also, with first rounders you have team option in the 3rd and 4th years.

People need to get out of the early second is better than a late first mindset. With the new CBA teams have option years now with 1st rounders so they can cut bait quickly (like the suns did with Marshall). Plus getting rid of those picks was popular back when the cap growth was stagnant and almost every team at the end of the draft was up against the luxury tax but with the spike in the cap money isn't a problem anymore so teams actually want these young controlable guys at the end of the first round.

[jredsaz]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
For teams interested in moving up for a guard (Dunn/Murray/Hield) expect the Suns to put a high price tag on trading 4 - young star in prime

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
Suns targets in free agency likely to include Al Horford, Nicolas Batum and restricted free agent Harrison Barnes.

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

Ah, mastering the obvious one segment at a time. Thank you John Gambadoro!

I think Batum is in the teams cross hairs. I just don't think he can turn down a max offer from Charlotte.

[bwgood77]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
For teams interested in moving up for a guard (Dunn/Murray/Hield) expect the Suns to put a high price tag on trading 4 - young star in prime

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
Suns targets in free agency likely to include Al Horford, Nicolas Batum and restricted free agent Harrison Barnes.

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

I feel like McD is going to totally redeem himself this offseason.

You expect one of those free agents to sign with us? I guess since he said "is likely to include" he really doesn't have a clue. I don't want Barnes, and really think Horford is too old and is declining, but kind of fits a need. However, he will have better options and likely stays in Atlanta where they've had a nice team that has gotten to the ECF and second round the last two years and he can get the most money. Then you have Charlotte, who just made the playoffs for the first time in a while, and Batum played a big part and will likely get his max, so I don't see any of those guys going anywhere.

GS seems likely to keep Barnes....at this point I can't really see Durant jumping ship to go there at all, which was the one scenario where they might let Barnes go...I certainly wouldn't throw max money at a guy like that.

[bwgood77]

Lakers fan in the Randle thread on the trade board suggested 13/28/Chandler for Randle.

Yay or nay? I'm thinking yay at this point...not a slam dunk, but he's 21, he's already averaging a double double, and we don't have any long-term prospects at PF. Plus we get out of Chandler's contract.

That extra pick(28) is kind of bothering me, but those late picks rarely pan out anyways, and at least this way you have a young guy you know is productive at the NBA level. Booker/Warren/Randle/Len is a nice young core.

Lakers include #2 pick and I still only say "maybe".

lol you wouldn't trade 13/28/Chandler for the #2 pick?

okay sure

He's joking. Though I don't know if that means he would do the Randle deal and doesn't realize he can't play D and has a terrible shot...mostly shoots from short range and still under 43%.

[thamadkant]

That McD Gambo piece about pick 4 for star in his prime...

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins


comes to mind.

I think Kings are going for a fast tempo run and gun 3pt shooting team.... so they will be interested in Jamal Murray.

[carey]

Suns targets in free agency likely to include Al Horford, Nicolas Batum and restricted free agent Harrison Barnes.

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

Ah, mastering the obvious one segment at a time. Thank you John Gambadoro!

I think Batum is in the teams cross hairs. I just don't think he can turn down a max offer from Charlotte.

Here's a list of guys that will be UFAs or have a player option they will likely turn down to become a UFA.

Durant, LBJ, Whiteside, DeRozan, Conley, Horford, Howard, Wade, Gasol, Parsons, Dirk, Rondo, Batum, Big Al, Ryno, Noah, Biyombo, E. Turner, Lin, Bazemore, and Deng.

The only guys that we could potentially get that make sense for the team are Horford, Batum (maybe not that much sense though,) and Ryno.

Here's a list of RFAs.

Drummond, Beal, Barnes, Clarkson, Ezili, Fournier, and Sullinger.

Barnes is the only guy on that list that is gettable, and really you can argue on whether or not he makes sense.

So I doubt Gambo has any sources on this one, just a cursory glance at the list of FAs and you can make your own conclusions.

[bwgood77]

That McD Gambo piece about pick 4 for star in his prime...

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins


comes to mind.

I think Kings are going for a fast tempo run and gun 3pt shooting team.... so they will be interested in Jamal Murray.

Yeah, but are you sure Cousins is enough for #4? Maybe they should also throw in #8? And why haven't you added all the other all stars to your list yet?

[letsgosuns]

I think the only guy realistically available is Jimmy Butler. It would probably take the first or second pick of the draft to get George and the Suns do not have that. I do not really care what it would take to get Cousins because I do not want him anyway.

[bwgood77]

I think the only guy realistically available is Jimmy Butler. It would probably take the first or second pick of the draft to get George and the Suns do not have that. I do not really care what it would take to get Cousins because I do not want him anyway.

I agree Butler is the only one.

I was also just looking at Barnes #s. The guy averaged less than 12 pts, 5 rebounds per game this year. It's not like he was lights out from 3 either...he shot 38%. I know PER isn't a great advanced metric, but 15 is supposed to be an avg player and he had a 12.3 PER this year. He played a little under 31 minutes a game. He also started 59 games, and was probably more wide open for shots due to the attention others get...also had good passers finding him in Curry and Green. He also shot 46% from the field.

Conversely, TJ Warren played a little under 23 minutes per game. He scored 11 pts, over 3 boards a game. Over 50% from the field and 40% from 3. PER of 15.9.

TJ Warren has played a year and a half, and not much his first year, and of course injured most of his second, and Barnes has played 4, and arguably TJ is already better. The numbers point to that.

Plus, I don't think Barnes will be as good if he's not playing with Curry, Thompson and Green. Warren is only going to get better with more minutes and more refining of his game and defense.

If we go after a guy like Barnes, first of all I think it's a mistake and would likely be a massive overpay, but it's also kind of unfair to Warren, who has earned his chance and is already just about as good, if not better.

Here are their side by side #s this year.

http://bkref.com/tiny/RQwUX

[saintEscaton]

how much meaningful ball has TJ played ? Althoug he shown a knack for lighting up the Dubs in garbage time when the game gets outta hand. Comparing them is laughable at this point, but I agree bwgood that he will be a roadblock . Barnes is a glue guy/product of the system undeserving of a max.

[bwgood77]

how much meaningful ball has TJ played ? Althoug he shown a knack for lighting up the Dubs in garbage time when the game gets outta hand. Comparing them is laughable at this point, but I agree bwgood that he will be a roadblock . Barnes is a glue guy/product of the system undeserving of a max.

I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't count him out yet. Even if GMAT's and later your comparison to him becoming a Ceballos type player comes to fruition, I'll take it. But he already is a better long range shooter than Ced ever was. Ceballos did average over 21 and 8 one year, and hovered around 20 and 7 for a few years.

Now I could see Warren doing that, and if he can get there, he could probably do it for awhile.

But comparisons are probably bit early. That was kind of the point though...I'd like to see what he can do...we are young and if Sarver can accept it, rebuilding. Booker looked great for awhile and everyone is excited because he got an opportunity to start for awhile.

I'd like to see TJ get that chance so we can see what he can do. He was drafted in the same spot in a better draft...or I guess maybe a spot later.

But I really just don't want to vastly overpay guys who are average at best, like Barnes.

[Cactus Jack]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 1h1 hour ago
For teams interested in moving up for a guard (Dunn/Murray/Hield) expect the Suns to put a high price tag on trading 4 - young star in prime

Gambo said on the radio the Suns will not trade down and will only trade the pick for a young star in his prime.

Good.

[Cactus Jack]

Lakers fan in the Randle thread on the trade board suggested 13/28/Chandler for Randle.

Yay or nay? I'm thinking yay at this point...not a slam dunk, but he's 21, he's already averaging a double double, and we don't have any long-term prospects at PF. Plus we get out of Chandler's contract.

That extra pick(28) is kind of bothering me, but those late picks rarely pan out anyways, and at least this way you have a young guy you know is productive at the NBA level. Booker/Warren/Randle/Len is a nice young core.

Lakers include #2 pick and I still only say "maybe".

lol you wouldn't trade 13/28/Chandler for the #2 pick?

okay sure

He's bluffing.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Give me Jimmy Butler and Al Horford and call it an offseason.

[OGBAH]

Chandler
Horford
Tucker
Knight
Bledsoe

3 defensive players 3 scorers...maybe it could work

[TeamTragic]

Chandler
Horford
Tucker
Knight
Bledsoe

3 defensive players 3 scorers...maybe it could work

Sure. Just remove Knight/Tucker and it will work perfectly.