OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[Cr0w]

THis is a RAMBLING MESS...
you mention halting immigration....if an illegal immigrant poses a challenge to your job security than you have other issues. Free Trade? I wouldnt trust a person whose company engages in overseas sweatshops...than you go on to mention protecting middleclass and allude to Trump doing so...despite the fact he wants to deregulate Wallstreet....

Illegal immigration has a ripple effect that effects EVERYONE. I'll give you one specific example.

Without illegal immigration there's more landscaping jobs. Our legal lower class can band together and create landscaping teams and make careers out of that. No longer are illegals flooding that market and undercutting are people which makes it so employers can say 'we'll pay you 3$ an hour and if you don't want to do it, that mexican on the other corner will'. This will make it so lower class people can work their way into the middle class without forcing businesses to pay employees that aren't inherently worth it with min wage spikes. Min wage spikes have tons of negative consequences on an economy.

Then there's a ripple effect from this. If our lower class isn't flooded and they have meaningful jobs, colleges aren't over flooded and that becomes a better tool for people looking for an economic ladder up as well.

But with things like fixing illegal immigration and trade agreements, this is what we are working for. An America that runs like a well oiled machine where the bulk of Americans(lower and middle class) matter.

drive around the southeast us and if 1 out of 10 landscaping crews are run by mexicans that is a stretch. in georgia, the carolinas, florida i have seen them all and those crews with their pick up trucks hauling trailers with their landscaping gear and mowers are almost exclusively owned and operated by WHITE MEN and the next level is BLACK MEN but almost none are owned and operated by mexicans. so if those white or black men choose to pick up a mexican at the wal-mart instead of paying one of their local buddies thats on them not fuqqing obama

Dude it doesn't even matter if the landscaping example is a realistic one, you're missing the point. The same example I used happens across an infinite amount of job fields and has a ripple effect the same way.

The main point is that illegal immigration is contributing to a major glut in our lower class and illegal immigrants are the type of lower class that will work under minimum wage which leaves horrendously sh-tty conditions for our own lower class. Then our answer is to force businesses to pay high wages via min wage surge which has tons of negative long term consequences on an economy.

[Cr0w]

the donald wants to shut down global trade by imposing giant tariffs on the chinese. he is an economic moron when it comes to macro issues

only a cut and dry obama hater says things like he sold us out to illegal immigrant labor. you know the policies he created that made that so? or is it because he didnt create an iron wall along mexico which makes him the culprit?

so is it those damn mexicans who made the wounded little white boys unemployed or is it free trade? make up your mind! oh wait, its soooooooooo complex so you dont really know what it is you just want to include your hatred of mud people with your incoherent grasp of economics just so you dont forget to tick off your list of pet peeves

Donalds doesn't want to close down global trade, he wants to rework trade deals because we are getting ripped off and we are selling our lower/middle class short by having them. Do you hate the average American public?

TFW you realize you are the one thats the economic moron, not the guy you've been trashing.

Nothing about the Donald is about hating on minorities or anything like that, it's all about how to make America the strongest it can be for the American people.

How is he going to rework them? What's his plan for the new trade deals?

The basics you need to know about this is that we have trade deals in place that have sold lower and middle class down the river to take advantage of places like china that maybe pay their workers a quarter an hour. All so our politicians and their friends can enjoy heightened corporate profits while we send our debt to unseen levels.

This is not just unethical on an emotional level but it is destructive to our economy. We're put in a position where the 1% is bleeding us dry and can just get up and leave when there's nothing else to take.

[CJackson]

Illegal immigration has a ripple effect that effects EVERYONE. I'll give you one specific example.

Without illegal immigration there's more landscaping jobs. Our legal lower class can band together and create landscaping teams and make careers out of that. No longer are illegals flooding that market and undercutting are people which makes it so employers can say 'we'll pay you 3$ an hour and if you don't want to do it, that mexican on the other corner will'. This will make it so lower class people can work their way into the middle class without forcing businesses to pay employees that aren't inherently worth it with min wage spikes. Min wage spikes have tons of negative consequences on an economy.

Then there's a ripple effect from this. If our lower class isn't flooded and they have meaningful jobs, colleges aren't over flooded and that becomes a better tool for people looking for an economic ladder up as well.

But with things like fixing illegal immigration and trade agreements, this is what we are working for. An America that runs like a well oiled machine where the bulk of Americans(lower and middle class) matter.

drive around the southeast us and if 1 out of 10 landscaping crews are run by mexicans that is a stretch. in georgia, the carolinas, florida i have seen them all and those crews with their pick up trucks hauling trailers with their landscaping gear and mowers are almost exclusively owned and operated by WHITE MEN and the next level is BLACK MEN but almost none are owned and operated by mexicans. so if those white or black men choose to pick up a mexican at the wal-mart instead of paying one of their local buddies thats on them not fuqqing obama

Dude it doesn't even matter if the landscaping example is a realistic one, you're missing the point. The same example I used happens across an infinite amount of job fields and has a ripple effect the same way.

The main point is that illegal immigration is contributing to a major glut in our lower class and illegal immigrants are the type of lower class that will work under minimum wage which leaves horrendously sh-tty conditions for our own lower class. Then our answer is to force businesses to pay high wages via min wage surge which has tons of negative long term consequences on an economy.

no i guess it doesnt matter if you lack a single realistic example then

but hey dont let that stop you from blaming the mud people and deciding trump is the champion youve been looking for who will deport their butts outta here

[CJackson]

love the sci-fi scenario

deport the mud people

more dish washing jobs for the economically oppressed uneducated REAL americans

voila! economic problem solved!

the rulers will be happy they now have white slaves instead

as pete townsend once said:

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

[Cr0w]

There's no valid reason to not want to shore up illegal immigration anyway unless you value foreigners welfare more than your country's citizens.

Illegal immigrants drain our infrastructure without paying taxes
They flood our lower class
They drive our minimum wage down
Their existence is disrespectful to our legal immigrants
We have a way for their criminals to evade their law

[CJackson]

There's no valid reason to not want to shore up illegal immigration anyway unless you value foreigners welfare more than your country's citizens.

Illegal immigrants drain our infrastructure without paying taxes
They flood our lower class
They drive our minimum wage down
Their existence is disrespectful to our legal immigrants
We have a way for their criminals to evade their law

i have to give credit to trump for being smart enuff to push your mud people button

[BallSacBounce]

for somebody acting so cocky i lobbed them a softball. all they have to do is step up to the plate and knock it out of the park

i would like to see if ericanderson is just a blowhard or if they can answer the utterly simple questions I posed to them

Probably because no one wants to waste time arguing with a blowhard.

not witty. got anything upstairs? then show it

I too don't want to waste my time arguing with a belligerent blowhard.

[CJackson]

Probably because no one wants to waste time arguing with a blowhard.

not witty. got anything upstairs? then show it

I too don't want to waste my time arguing with a belligerent blowhard.

What a shame that you will deprive the many readers of this board of your brilliant insights into politics and economics. Please bestow your wisdom and look past your low opinion of me. Be a sport and think of them and how much you can help others and forget about me for a second

We know you are a treasure chest of wisdom waiting to be unlocked. Dont be shy

[Fury]

Donalds doesn't want to close down global trade, he wants to rework trade deals because we are getting ripped off and we are selling our lower/middle class short by having them. Do you hate the average American public?

TFW you realize you are the one thats the economic moron, not the guy you've been trashing.

Nothing about the Donald is about hating on minorities or anything like that, it's all about how to make America the strongest it can be for the American people.

How is he going to rework them? What's his plan for the new trade deals?

The basics you need to know about this is that we have trade deals in place that have sold lower and middle class down the river to take advantage of places like china that maybe pay their workers a quarter an hour. All so our politicians and their friends can enjoy heightened corporate profits while we send our debt to unseen levels.

This is not just unethical on an emotional level but it is destructive to our economy. We're put in a position where the 1% is bleeding us dry and can just get up and leave when there's nothing else to take.

Like Donald Trump himself?

Donald Trump wanted to market a line of men’s clothing that would bear his name.

He told people working with him to help find a company known for producing quality merchandise on a mass scale. In the end, Trump signed on with Phillips-Van Heusen, a manufacturer of affordable shirts produced in factories in 85 countries.

The 2004 deal — one of the first of many merchandise-licensing arrangements in which Trump attached his name to products made by foreign workers and sold in the United States — is relevant today as the billionaire businessman wages a populist presidential campaign in which he accuses companies of killing U.S. jobs by moving manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and lax workplace regulations.

[CJackson]

How is he going to rework them? What's his plan for the new trade deals?

The basics you need to know about this is that we have trade deals in place that have sold lower and middle class down the river to take advantage of places like china that maybe pay their workers a quarter an hour. All so our politicians and their friends can enjoy heightened corporate profits while we send our debt to unseen levels.

This is not just unethical on an emotional level but it is destructive to our economy. We're put in a position where the 1% is bleeding us dry and can just get up and leave when there's nothing else to take.

Like Donald Trump himself?

Donald Trump wanted to market a line of men’s clothing that would bear his name.

He told people working with him to help find a company known for producing quality merchandise on a mass scale. In the end, Trump signed on with Phillips-Van Heusen, a manufacturer of affordable shirts produced in factories in 85 countries.

The 2004 deal — one of the first of many merchandise-licensing arrangements in which Trump attached his name to products made by foreign workers and sold in the United States — is relevant today as the billionaire businessman wages a populist presidential campaign in which he accuses companies of killing U.S. jobs by moving manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and lax workplace regulations.

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

just a bunch of flag waving and brain dead stares and extreme anger when asked what it means when it is obvious it means nothing and his supporters dont have a clue

they just want a guy who grabs his crotch and flips the bird and says "mud people!" and they are happy

[NoLayupRule]

it is amazing how the wounded little white boys think the donald will protect them from predatory capitalists when trumps whole career is based on being a predatory capitalist. it is absurd

please don't use racially inflammatory terms like this

people get offended and threads get locked

and posters get banned

consider this a public warning

[CJackson]

it is amazing how the wounded little white boys think the donald will protect them from predatory capitalists when trumps whole career is based on being a predatory capitalist. it is absurd

please don't use racially inflammatory terms like this

people get offended and threads get locked

and posters get banned

you mean wounded little white boys is off limits?

ok no problem

[NoLayupRule]

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

its the same code words that republicans have been using for years

making american great again means making it great for white people and old people
just like "real america" means "white america"
its why they doubted Obama's heritage and why they think they can yell "you lie" at him in the state of the union

the right has been dog whistling their base and whipping them into a frenzy about the blacks, the mexicans, the muslims, etc for decades

the drug war came out of this, as did the current incarceration state

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

[NoLayupRule]

it is amazing how the wounded little white boys think the donald will protect them from predatory capitalists when trumps whole career is based on being a predatory capitalist. it is absurd

please don't use racially inflammatory terms like this

people get offended and threads get locked

and posters get banned

you mean wounded little white boys is off limits?

ok no problem

yes, and you know better

[CJackson]

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

its the same code words that republicans have been using for years

making american great again means making it great for white people and old people
just like "real america" means "white america"
its why they doubted Obama's heritage and why they think they can yell "you lie" at him in the state of the union

the right has been dog whistling their base and whipping them into a frenzy about the blacks, the mexicans, the muslims, etc for decades

the drug war came out of this, as did the current incarceration state

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

thank you

very well said and exactly what is going on

it is the last gasp of a shrinking demographic

already the majority of u.s. born kids are non-white

dont remember the year it is (2040?) but it is projected that whites will be a minority in america

the only thing that is truly un-american now is trying to deport people of color. its the dying rally cry of resentful white men but it is rooted in an imaginary past not the real present or the true future

[CJackson]

please don't use racially inflammatory terms like this

people get offended and threads get locked

and posters get banned

you mean wounded little white boys is off limits?

ok no problem

yes, and you know better

i wont say it but i cant lie and say i feel apologetic about it

the mean spirit of trump is a form of evil that must be fought against and stepping on toes is going to happen when you are dealing with budding fascists

the typical trump supporter is historically ignorant and most dont know how they are being played. some do know and they are just shameless closet nazis so fuq them anyway

but the ones who dont know simply do not realize how hitlers and mussolinis get power. they find a button they can push for the underemployed that fit some real or imaginary single racial profile and they appeal to their feeling of being betrayed and left behind by the wealthy merchant classes.

in germany those merchants were the jews. in america the formula is inverted. you dont go after the wealthy you just resent them. you dont go after them in america because it is still the land of opportunity even to the fat man in his recliner sleeping with the tv on. you go after the mud people because they are taking all the good jobs those merchants will now have to give you

never mind that that is not how economics work but it is how fascists build a following in america. 30 years ago they were hiding in bunkers in idaho. today they are the republican nominee whose bunker is on fifth avenue

and there are a bunch of suckers who will follow that nazi talk. for hitler it was the jews. for trump it is the mud people

how anybody would want a selfish vindictive irrational dangerous piece of garbage like trump with the powers of the fbi and the nsa at his fingertips is insane. the man is a total psychopath. nobody would be safe with him having power. any of his supporters who turned against him would be put on his hit list and he would hunt people down using government powers. he is a sick human being

[BallSacBounce]

not witty. got anything upstairs? then show it

I too don't want to waste my time arguing with a belligerent blowhard.

What a shame that you will deprive the many readers of this board of your brilliant insights into politics and economics. Please bestow your wisdom and look past your low opinion of me. Be a sport and think of them and how much you can help others and forget about me for a second

We know you are a treasure chest of wisdom waiting to be unlocked. Dont be shy

They can go to www.donaldjtrump.com to read some of my current views on policy.

[Fury]

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

its the same code words that republicans have been using for years

making american great again means making it great for white people and old people
just like "real america" means "white america"
its why they doubted Obama's heritage and why they think they can yell "you lie" at him in the state of the union

the right has been dog whistling their base and whipping them into a frenzy about the blacks, the mexicans, the muslims, etc for decades

the drug war came out of this, as did the current incarceration state

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

thank you

very well said and exactly what is going on

it is the last gasp of a shrinking demographic

already the majority of u.s. born kids are non-white

dont remember the year it is (2040?) but it is projected that whites will be a minority in america

the only thing that is truly un-american now is trying to deport people of color. its the dying rally cry of resentful white men but it is rooted in an imaginary past not the real present or the true future

This is a great article on his base of voters:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/who-are-donald-trumps-supporters-really/471714/

[CJackson]

its the same code words that republicans have been using for years

making american great again means making it great for white people and old people
just like "real america" means "white america"
its why they doubted Obama's heritage and why they think they can yell "you lie" at him in the state of the union

the right has been dog whistling their base and whipping them into a frenzy about the blacks, the mexicans, the muslims, etc for decades

the drug war came out of this, as did the current incarceration state

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

thank you

very well said and exactly what is going on

it is the last gasp of a shrinking demographic

already the majority of u.s. born kids are non-white

dont remember the year it is (2040?) but it is projected that whites will be a minority in america

the only thing that is truly un-american now is trying to deport people of color. its the dying rally cry of resentful white men but it is rooted in an imaginary past not the real present or the true future

This is a great article on his base of voters:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/who-are-donald-trumps-supporters-really/471714/

yep. emasculated mostly uneducated white males with bad local economies who fear mud people. they fear terrorists but most live in the last places where it would affect them. most of them would dance for joy if a dirty bomb hit san francisco

[CJackson]

I too don't want to waste my time arguing with a belligerent blowhard.

What a shame that you will deprive the many readers of this board of your brilliant insights into politics and economics. Please bestow your wisdom and look past your low opinion of me. Be a sport and think of them and how much you can help others and forget about me for a second

We know you are a treasure chest of wisdom waiting to be unlocked. Dont be shy

They can go to www.donaldjtrump.com to read some of my current views on policy.

His # 1 Position is entitled:

"Pay For the Wall"

what a fuqqing clown

This is comedy gold (and 100% mud people hate propaganda):

It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.