dremill24 wrote:NavLDO wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Brown has an underrated handle, he can split defenders off the dribble has a nice jab step, but when he puts his head he gets tunnel vision, will often cough it up barreling into defenders or get called for a charge. Cuonzo deserves some blame. But I think he would be a less of a massive reach than Chriss who is the superior offensive players as of now but inferior one on defender and not the genetic freak Brown is, he is built like a toothpick. Chriss second worst defensive rebounder in the last 30 years. He overcommits and racks up flashy weakside blocks and can stay in front of his man, but bites on everything and blow by easily because his stance is completely upright with little leverage. Also he is shooting 35% from deep on like less than 2 attempts per game which is promising but nothing to write home about
You've said this a couple of times, yet with no context. He had 2.9 Defensive Rebounds per game (24 minutes). I hardly believe that is the lowest number on 30 years. His per 40 number is 4.6 per 40. Bender's is 4.3 per 40. Vezenkov is 4.1 per 40.
And then you have others that are close: Ellis is 5.4/40.
And why diminish his Offensive Rebounding, which was very good at 4.0/40--higher than Skal at 2.5/40; Diallo at 3.4/40; Ellenson at 2.6/40, etc. So you choose, again, to use 1/2 of a stat--Rebounding--to define a player, like he doesn't know how to rebound, which is clearly not the case. He's just better on the offensive glass than defensive...so what does that prove, exactly???
This is where his numbers are coming from, just as an FYI
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marquese-Chriss-83240/Where that tends to show up the most vividly right now is as on the defensive glass. At 4.1 rebounds per-40, Chriss ranks among the least prolific power forwards in NBA Draft history according to our database. Among first round picks, only Thaddeus Young (who played mostly SF in college) had a worse defensive rebounding rate in the draft's last 30 years. Chriss almost never puts a body on opposing big men in an attempt to box out and prepare for loose balls coming off the glass, and his relatively small standing reach (measured at 8'9, comparable with most small forwards) didn't help matters much. In addition to his instincts, his motor here leaves a lot to be desired as well, as if at times appears he's operating at half speed, and far more focused on his work on the offensive end.
Thanks for providing the context, but why are they using '4.1' when his per 40, per their own site, is '4.6', so I question this statement. But yes, each o the top prospects have their issues--Hield? One-year wonder?? ; Murray? relieved of PG duties by Ulis--why?? ; Bender? Lack of any equitable historic stats/metrics. ; Brown? Shooting, finishing @ the rim, and -6.48 PPR ; Dunn? 'Uninspiring' shooting all around--FT, 3PT, and 2PT and his conceitedness is feeling he gets o choose where he goes, more so than others. ; Valentine? Athleticism (apparently, but maybe better characterized as 'lack of burst'). ; Skal? Why so little usage?? Feel or game/inexperience/toughness. ; Davis? Range, awareness, focus.
So yes, Chriss' Defensive Rebounding prowess is lacking, he's foul-prone, and has poor Asst %/PPR but:
Chriss is one of the most physically gifted prospects you'll find, possessing an exhilarating combination of quickness, explosiveness and body control...extremely light on his feet, has a very quick second bounce, and can finish around the rim from impressive distances, often looking like he's barely breaking a sweat...makings of an ideal skill-set for a modern day NBA power forward...his ability to stretch the floor from beyond the 3-point line, where Chriss made a solid 21/60 (35%) of his attempts. He has a compact stroke, and natural touch on his shot, being capable both with his feet set and even off the dribble in small doses...shows the ability to attack his man off the dribble with a strong first step, while driving in either direction. He shows impressive footwork and body control with his spin moves, and excellent timing attacking closeouts...shows some semblance of a post game, mainly with his ability to shoot turnaround jumpers and right-handed hook shots with very soft touch from unique angles...very difficult to handle facing up in that range for most power forwards with his ability to make jumpers and blow by opponents with his terrific first step...shows strong potential as a roll-man and cutter, with his very soft hands and ability to get up the floor in the blink of an eye to make plays above the rim... has the quickness needed to stay in front of nearly everyone he encounters, and the explosiveness to block a decent amount of shots...may actually find more success on the wing, using his terrific quickness and mobility...one of the youngest players in the draft, not turning 19 until July, Chriss has quite a bit of innate talent that is easy to get excited about...his tremendous frame, combined with his ability to shoot 3-pointers and make freakishly athletic plays will steal many hearts in the NBA pre-draft workout process.
There's an awful lot to like there, which makes me believe that once he gets some NBA coaching, his defensive issues may be able to be fixed. Maybe not, but point is, everyone one of these early guys, aside from Simmons/Ingram, also have significant issues that will need 'fixing' onc in the NBA, and don't see, again, a poor 'half of a stat' as reason enough to say-'nope, can't take him'. especially when there are guys with 2-3 years of age/experience on him that still have issues just as concerning, like, again, Dunn and his career sub-70% FT shooting, career sub-34% 3PT shooting, and a 1.75 A/TO Ratio. By comparison, here's a list of PG prospects and their A/TO ratio. I did not include either Murray, since they were worse (though Jamal has 'SG stats' to offense is PG deficiencies). But anyway, why is Dunn a top 5 candidate anymore than Chriss, if they both lack elite expected 'positional prowess'? At least Chriss is more than 3 years younger. Dunn at 13? Sure. At 4? I don't see it, and hope McD sees the same--a PG with very 'average', and often, 'below-average' evidence at critical aspects for their position.
Wade Baldwin--2.14
Demetrius Jackson--1.9
Tyler Ulis--3.56
Caris LeVert--2.22
Gary Payton--1.94
Also, BTW, I really like LeVert as a prospect for us at 34--good size and shooting...and...
Where LeVert shows the potential to do more than just that is with passing ability. His 6.6 assists per 40 minutes pace adjusted ranked eighth among prospects in our top-100 rankings. He takes care of the ball, turning it over only 2.1 times per 40 minutes pace adjusted.
and...
he has developed into an excellent outside shooter over the past three years. He knocked down 40% of his three point attempts in his college career, and has a fluid stroke that shows he should be able to translate his performance to the NBA line.
Hanging on to that last thread of relevancy IMO. Yesterday Brown was dropping like a rock, all of a sudden "Could be a top 3 pick"
. If we have a shot to get Okafor which I believe we do... (more so than the Celtics, why would they trade him to a division rival) it needs to get done no questions asked.
Never seen that!
