Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max II

[Hoops23]

"Heat trying to persuade Whiteside to play for less than the max", yea not sure I like hearing that. Either Whiteside REAALLLY likes playing for the Heat and agrees or he signs for another storied franchise with great weather that will actually pay him the max outright in LA..

If the Lakers offers Hassan the max and Heat offers him less than that, I believe the net income wont have a lot of difference coz of the taxer and incentives in winnings.. Smart move by the Heat..

Miami Herald

• Wade. One Heat person expects a deal ultimately will be reached paying him at least $15 million, perhaps much closer to, or at, $20 million. The Heat’s preference is for one year, to give it 2017 flexibility.

[Flash4thewin]

Heat Will Try To Persuade Hassan Whiteside To Take Less Than Max


Hassan Whiteside would prefer to re-sign with the Miami Heat.

Whiteside has grown comfortable with the Heat and they also offer him living in place without state income tax and greater annual raises.

The Heat will try to sell Whiteside on taking less than the max to create space to do other business in free agency.

Pat Riley has called Whiteside the top priority of the Heat in the offseason.

Miami will have to use cap space to sign Whiteside.

That's fine. Pat knows what he's doing.

"Hey Hassan, here's the Max if you want it. BUT hear me out for a sec, IF you agree to take a little less..it would help because.. .... ..... ...... and you'll also benefit because you'll be playing with a great org that you know, like and have history with"

This is like Pat flying cross country to meet with Lebron but offers Granger and McRoberts. Its nice in theory but in reality this is just plan stupid. Say the tax difference is 1.5, what can we realistically do with 1.5 mil when the cap is jumping up so much? Is it enough to resign Deng? Nope so why do something this foolish? Other teams are after him and want him as a franchise player but we are trying to nickel and dime him? Like is this for real?

[Axel]

Whiteside better not take one cent less than the MAX. He's been through hell and back to get to this point, take all that is coming your way big fella. Whether here in Miami or elsewhere. No Discounts. Bosh didn't take one, 2 years ago. It's time to get broke off Ha$$an!

"max" is a relative term. Miami can offer him a contract under max that is still more in raw $$$ than any other team can give over the life of the contract when you factor in income tax and raises per season.

Florida is not the only state without income tax.

[SCHeat]

Heat Will Try To Persuade Hassan Whiteside To Take Less Than Max


Hassan Whiteside would prefer to re-sign with the Miami Heat.

Whiteside has grown comfortable with the Heat and they also offer him living in place without state income tax and greater annual raises.

The Heat will try to sell Whiteside on taking less than the max to create space to do other business in free agency.

Pat Riley has called Whiteside the top priority of the Heat in the offseason.

Miami will have to use cap space to sign Whiteside.

That's fine. Pat knows what he's doing.

"Hey Hassan, here's the Max if you want it. BUT hear me out for a sec, IF you agree to take a little less..it would help because.. .... ..... ...... and you'll also benefit because you'll be playing with a great org that you know, like and have history with"

This is like Pat flying cross country to meet with Lebron but offers Granger and McRoberts. Its nice in theory but in reality this is just plan stupid. Say the tax difference is 1.5, what can we realistically do with 1.5 mil when the cap is jumping up so much? Is it enough to resign Deng? Nope so why do something this foolish? Other teams are after him and want him as a franchise player but we are trying to nickel and dime him? Like is this for real?

1.5 isn't much but if we can also trade McRoberts then it's suddenly 7 million. Wade may be willing to sacrifice a million or so if means keeping Deng and staying competitive

[Hallstar]

Heat Will Try To Persuade Hassan Whiteside To Take Less Than Max


Hassan Whiteside would prefer to re-sign with the Miami Heat.

Whiteside has grown comfortable with the Heat and they also offer him living in place without state income tax and greater annual raises.

The Heat will try to sell Whiteside on taking less than the max to create space to do other business in free agency.

Pat Riley has called Whiteside the top priority of the Heat in the offseason.

Miami will have to use cap space to sign Whiteside.

That's fine. Pat knows what he's doing.

"Hey Hassan, here's the Max if you want it. BUT hear me out for a sec, IF you agree to take a little less..it would help because.. .... ..... ...... and you'll also benefit because you'll be playing with a great org that you know, like and have history with"

This is like Pat flying cross country to meet with Lebron but offers Granger and McRoberts. Its nice in theory but in reality this is just plan stupid. Say the tax difference is 1.5, what can we realistically do with 1.5 mil when the cap is jumping up so much? Is it enough to resign Deng? Nope so why do something this foolish? Other teams are after him and want him as a franchise player but we are trying to nickel and dime him? Like is this for real?

Nobody is "sacrificing" anything this year, whatever you give up is just saving Micky money, I highly doubt it will swing some random mid tier FA

[Hoops23]

That's fine. Pat knows what he's doing.

"Hey Hassan, here's the Max if you want it. BUT hear me out for a sec, IF you agree to take a little less..it would help because.. .... ..... ...... and you'll also benefit because you'll be playing with a great org that you know, like and have history with"

This is like Pat flying cross country to meet with Lebron but offers Granger and McRoberts. Its nice in theory but in reality this is just plan stupid. Say the tax difference is 1.5, what can we realistically do with 1.5 mil when the cap is jumping up so much? Is it enough to resign Deng? Nope so why do something this foolish? Other teams are after him and want him as a franchise player but we are trying to nickel and dime him? Like is this for real?

Nobody is "sacrificing" anything this year, whatever you give up is just saving Micky money, I highly doubt it will swing some random mid tier FA

Saving Micky's money, yes, but more of having the three (wade, Hassan, Deng) back. With limited cap space, all three should sacrifice for better chances of winning. More wins, more incentives or money for them... More wins, more Heat fans happy.

[Rastas]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

[Hoops23]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

I will never hate Hassan if he signs elsewhere. The NBA is a business. I believe he and the Arisons will do what is best for them.

I will be happy for Hassan if he receives a max contract for his personal side but for Miami's stand point and as a fan of the Heat, I would love to see him take less money to maximize the limited cap space. But am not greedy if only Wade and Hassan will net Miami with their cap space. Thats reality, "limited cap space", even if Mickey Arison wants to max them all.

[RexBoyWonder]

Whiteside better not take one cent less than the MAX. He's been through hell and back to get to this point, take all that is coming your way big fella. Whether here in Miami or elsewhere. No Discounts. Bosh didn't take one, 2 years ago. It's time to get broke off Ha$$an!

well at least I can think of 1 positive consequence to take comfort in if we do end up losing Hassan.


Happy to say I'm 99% sure he likes the Heat more then some posters here do, and he won't even consider LA like some posters hope he does.

And I'm sure some of his haters secretly wish he doesn't get a max or near it so they can be "right".. I don't need you quoting me with an opinion that doesn't matter. You aren't a GM nor am I. And if Hassan goes to another team and I choose to post on that forum then so be it. I'm a fan of basketball and I can root for whomever I want. So I don't care what you , other posters or mods have to say. So you can keep your slick comments to yourself sir. Keep chasing that mod spot, I'm sure with the way you blow kisses at everyone you will get it soon!

I'm just happy you stopped pretending to be a Heat fan and came out of the closet focusing solely on the man of your dreams - The Great White - wherever he goes : to have and to hold, for better and for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, while forsaking all others until death do you part.

[Flash4thewin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T2Eg_zvqNqQD_5TpE4Ns6xhElatXdLpYG1roZtRLyvE/edit#gid=1772892101

Lets just look at the math to see what is possible and not possible?

The projected capspace for us will be around 38 mil give or take.
38-21(Whiteside discount) = 17 mil.
Out of the 17 mil we need to pay not only Wade but also all the rest of our signings. Think vet min players so lets give Wade 15 mil
17-15=2 mil to play with for vet min players.

But wait lets throw a dog a bone and say we magically traded McRoberts. Thats another 5.5 mil.
So let pretend magically we can spend 7.5 mil, remember Deng is going to get offers of around 15. So is Wade really going to give up say another 4.5 mil to give a contract of give or take 12 mil to Deng.

So basically
Whiteside 21 mil ( discount )
Wade from 20 mil to 10.5 mil ( massive pay cut)
Deng 12 mil but he will get better offers with more years.

The numbers are not exact but do show how unrealistic this is with math. So this begs the question why go through all this dog and pony show when it makes no sense unless people really think Wade will sign for 10.5 ( give or take ) mil coming off of a 20 mil contract. Look at Deng, do you really think he takes a 3 year 12 mil 36 mil total offer over say a 4 year 15 mil 60 Mil total? Thats 24 million dollar difference. Heck lets say Deng only gets a 3 year 15 mil offer, thats still a 9 million dollar difference... so again why are we doing this dog and pony show?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think Deng is going to be very difficult to sign. Just way too much money out there that will be thrown in his face. Somebody is going to offer 12-15 million on at minimum a two-three year deal. We will need to find a player at about the 8-10 million dollar range. My thinking is most likely a Jared Dudley type.

[One Love]

Laker fan in peace... I am not 100% sure how Walton affects our pitches (can't hurt give recent years) but Lakers will offer FULL MAX to Whiteside at 12:01 AM... I personally struggle with the signing but we NEED rim protection & talent... Good luck this offseason...

[Prince Ali]

Laker fan in peace... I am not 100% sure how Walton affects our pitches (can't hurt give recent years) but Lakers will offer FULL MAX to Whiteside at 12:01 AM... I personally struggle with the signing but we NEED rim protection & talent... Good luck this offseason...

lol, good luck

[KingDavid]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

Try about $13,000,000 over the span of the contract...

Over $7,000,000 on the yearly 7.5% raises alone...that your team isn't eligible to offer.

[KingDavid]

Laker fan in peace... I am not 100% sure how Walton affects our pitches (can't hurt give recent years) but Lakers will offer FULL MAX to Whiteside at 12:01 AM... I personally struggle with the signing but we NEED rim protection & talent... Good luck this offseason...

You should read what he said about recruiting and playing for Miami. The lakers aren't a winning franchise right now. This isn't D12...

[Flash4thewin]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

Try about $13,000,000 over the span of the contract...

Over $7,000,000 on the yearly 7.5% raises alone...that your team isn't eligible to offer.

That's all nice assuming Pat doesn't trade him. We know Pat and know he would gladly sell signing for less talk about loyalty and then trade him in a heart beat to get say Durant or a Westbrook etc. Business is business.

Again looking at the math and unless we are honesty looking at Wade signing for 10-11 mil in order to get the money to make a somewhat comparable offer to Deng none of this makes any sense. Players like people say one thing then do another.

[RexBoyWonder]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

Try about $13,000,000 over the span of the contract...

Over $7,000,000 on the yearly 7.5% raises alone...that your team isn't eligible to offer.

That's all nice assuming Pat doesn't trade him. We know Pat and know he would gladly sell signing for less talk about loyalty and then trade him in a heart beat to get say Durant or a Westbrook etc. Business is business.

Again looking at the math and unless we are honesty looking at Wade signing for 10-11 mil in order to get the money to make a somewhat comparable offer to Deng none of this makes any sense. Players like people say one thing then do another.

No trade clause in return for a small discount could work

[KingDavid]

Wonder how many teams will offer Goatside the max , I would guess 6 or more given what he offers.

Also Miami's tax discount is a saving of just a few hundred k over a year , hardly worth considering on 20m a year contracts.

Miami has had some truly great games out of him for pennies over the last 2 seasons , hope you wont hate on him too much if he decides to try his luck elsewhere for max dollars.

Try about $13,000,000 over the span of the contract...

Over $7,000,000 on the yearly 7.5% raises alone...that your team isn't eligible to offer.

That's all nice assuming Pat doesn't trade him. We know Pat and know he would gladly sell signing for less talk about loyalty and then trade him in a heart beat to get say Durant or a Westbrook etc. Business is business.

Again looking at the math and unless we are honesty looking at Wade signing for 10-11 mil in order to get the money to make a somewhat comparable offer to Deng none of this makes any sense. Players like people say one thing then do another.

Save cap wherever you can. It can help down the line. It is indeed a business. It's Riley and Andy's job to get the best players at the best bargain they can. It's up to Whiteside's agent to get him the best contract possible in the most preferred place possible.

That's what negotiations are for. You're preaching to the choir.

[Jody Smokz]

Realistically it's Wade vs Whiteside and then also Whiteside vs keeping depth. Does Wade want to take 18M if Hassan takes 21M? After that they only have the MLE and vet minimums left. Maybe they dump Dragic somewhere into cap room and resign both to 21M plus deals.

Either way the only way they retain both IMO is that Wade considers taking a huge cut and Im just not buying he's going to do that.

[RexBoyWonder]

Realistically it's Wade vs Whiteside and then also Whiteside vs keeping depth. Does Wade want to take 18M if Hassan takes 21M? After that they only have the MLE and vet minimums left. Maybe they dump Dragic somewhere into cap room and resign both to 21M plus deals.

Either way the only way they retain both IMO is that Wade considers taking a huge cut and Im just not buying he's going to do that.

Realistically you have no idea what you're talking about regarding our possibilities and the Lakers aren't making the playoffs for years to come, GTFO.