Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Arsenal]

McCollum didn't really break out though. His per minute numbers were about the same and he's still not well liked by advanced statistics. I'd argue that given his age his improvement this year was disappointing. He's a relatively decent player but i wouldn't want to give up Noel for him typically. Given Philly logjam though it would be a decent deal though

I agree that I don't want McCollum. He's undersized at the SG position, he doesn't defend well, and his efficiency is mediocre at best. He's also 2 years older than Noel so I don't think he has much upside left. No thanks. We need to try to build around 2 way players.

Not trying to defend McCollum in full here, but his efficiency is above average, which is great given his volume and how much he creates for himself.

OK, his efficiency is just slightly above average (TS% of .544 this season, .540 for his career). Not anything special though. The guy is a great 3 point shooter, but he doesn't get to the line enough to be very efficient on offense.

Plus he is short for a SG, and his length is poor (6'6" wingspan, 8' standing reach). He doesn't defend well, probably for that reason.

Overall he's a nice player to have, but I don't want to build around him. Of course if the price is right I'd be happy to have him, but I don't think he is worth Noel.

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That is the worst trade I have seen on this board so far. Trading Noel, and picks for Exum and 12... As of now, Exum hasn't proven he is an NBA player. Noel has proven to be a high end defensive anchor. Absolutely no way, philly makes that move. Turns out, we aren't trading for Teague either, thank god. Schroeder, Knight, or McCollum like others have said would be a different story

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

[CoreyGallagher]

That is the worst trade I have seen on this board so far. Trading Noel, and picks for Exum and 12... As of now, Exum hasn't proven he is an NBA player. Noel has proven to be a high end defensive anchor. Absolutely no way, philly makes that move. Turns out, we aren't trading for Teague either, thank god. Schroeder, Knight, or McCollum like others have said would be a different story

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I don't believe he's proven that much, but Noel's rookie season he proved that he could with some help.

Also, points per game doesn't really matter, finished 25th in points per 100 possessions this season. 12th last season.

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That is the worst trade I have seen on this board so far. Trading Noel, and picks for Exum and 12... As of now, Exum hasn't proven he is an NBA player. Noel has proven to be a high end defensive anchor. Absolutely no way, philly makes that move. Turns out, we aren't trading for Teague either, thank god. Schroeder, Knight, or McCollum like others have said would be a different story

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I don't believe he's proven that much, but Noel's rookie season he proved that he could with some help.

Don't get me wrong I love what he can possibly be defensively but I can the exact same thing about Exum great defensively as well as rookie. Having him at the point of attack defensively made us the best defensive team in the nba the 2nd half of the season by a huge margin. Offensively he was a disaster though because he was so timid and unselfish.

[CoreyGallagher]

Don't get me wrong I love what he can possibly be defensively but I can the exact same thing about Exum great defensively as well as rookie. Having him at the point of attack defensively made us the best defensive team in the nba the 2nd half of the season by a huge margin. Offensively he was a disaster though because he was so timid and unselfish.

I'm not familiar enough with Exum to comment on him or the trade, just speaking of Nerlens. I trust your opinion though.

[Ericb5]

Don't get me wrong I love what he can possibly be defensively but I can the exact same thing about Exum great defensively as well as rookie. Having him at the point of attack defensively made us the best defensive team in the nba the 2nd half of the season by a huge margin. Offensively he was a disaster though because he was so timid and unselfish.

I'm not familiar enough with Exum to comment on him or the trade, just speaking of Nerlens. I trust your opinion though.

I've been a big Exum fan for a long time. I still think that he has all star potential. He isn't a good fit with Simmons, but value wise I would definitely trade Noel for him.


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[mrfantast1c]

That is the worst trade I have seen on this board so far. Trading Noel, and picks for Exum and 12... As of now, Exum hasn't proven he is an NBA player. Noel has proven to be a high end defensive anchor. Absolutely no way, philly makes that move. Turns out, we aren't trading for Teague either, thank god. Schroeder, Knight, or McCollum like others have said would be a different story

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I'm not judging his defensive ability by any team statistics, but from what I have seen. He has very good hands for a big man, amazing at poking the ball loose, Great rim protector, I think he held opponents to below or around 40 percent when he contested them at the rim as well. Can guard 4's in open space, as well as hold his own in the post. The only thing he needs to improve is his defensive rebounding, and he will be the complete package. I don't really know what more you can expect from him.

[GoSixersBro]

That is the worst trade I have seen on this board so far. Trading Noel, and picks for Exum and 12... As of now, Exum hasn't proven he is an NBA player. Noel has proven to be a high end defensive anchor. Absolutely no way, philly makes that move. Turns out, we aren't trading for Teague either, thank god. Schroeder, Knight, or McCollum like others have said would be a different story

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I'm not judging his defensive ability by any team statistics, but from what I have seen. He has very good hands for a big man, amazing at poking the ball loose, Great rim protector, I think he held opponents to below or around 40 percent when he contested them at the rim as well. Can guard 4's in open space, as well as hold his own in the post. The only thing he needs to improve is his defensive rebounding, and he will be the complete package. I don't really know what more you can expect from him.

Can't agree with you there. Noel has absolute stone hands. Can't catch a pass to save his life.

[Ericb5]

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I'm not judging his defensive ability by any team statistics, but from what I have seen. He has very good hands for a big man, amazing at poking the ball loose, Great rim protector, I think he held opponents to below or around 40 percent when he contested them at the rim as well. Can guard 4's in open space, as well as hold his own in the post. The only thing he needs to improve is his defensive rebounding, and he will be the complete package. I don't really know what more you can expect from him.

Can't agree with you there. Noel has absolute stone hands. Can't catch a pass to save his life.

There are different types of great hands. There are the big soft oven mitts like Okafor has, and then there are the lighting quick hands that usually only guards have.

Noel has the fastest hands on a guy his size that I have ever seen. He regularly picks the pockets of opposing players.

He has a guard's hand speed.


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[PhilasFinest]

When did Noel prove to be a high end defensive anchor? I like Noel as a player but definitely hasn't proven that he is some kind of defensive anchor. Not when you finished 2nd to last in opponents point per game.

I'm not judging his defensive ability by any team statistics, but from what I have seen. He has very good hands for a big man, amazing at poking the ball loose, Great rim protector, I think he held opponents to below or around 40 percent when he contested them at the rim as well. Can guard 4's in open space, as well as hold his own in the post. The only thing he needs to improve is his defensive rebounding, and he will be the complete package. I don't really know what more you can expect from him.

Can't agree with you there. Noel has absolute stone hands. Can't catch a pass to save his life.

Depends on how your evaluating his hands. Offensively, sure he has some issues catching passes, gathering and finishing....but on the defensive end his hands are very good. Averaging nearly 2 steals a game for a big man is elite.

[CoreyGallagher]

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[PhilasFinest]

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Really interesting. Glad this is coming out now. Should impact his value and our chances of actually doing such a deal.

[FlightBrothers]

Curious if this is in response to not wanting to be traded to a rebuild situation or he is genuinely upset at the Hawks.

"They wont tell y'all but I played with a tear in my patella the whole year and could barely jump or stop but it's coo got that taken care of"

[Kobblehead]

Jeff Teague, the hero we deserve!

[Lovetron Joe]

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Really interesting. Glad this is coming out now. Should impact his value and our chances of actually doing such a deal.

I think (hope) it would kill any trade. Curious why he would post then delete.

[rzzzzz]

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/teague-claims-he-played-with-patella-tear-last-sea/nrc2f/

[SelfishPlayer]

Dante Exum has trade value? That's a new one...

[NBD23]

Jeff Teague, the hero we deserve!

So true. I want no parts of that expiring contract who won't even be good when we are ready to compete.

[Chamberlainship]

How does the knee injury revelation square with the idea that Teague's agent floated the trade rumor for Noel?

Seems strange.

[the_process]

How does the knee injury revelation square with the idea that Teague's agent floated the trade rumor for Noel?

Seems strange.

Teague upset with the Hawks, doing LeBron passive aggressive things?

EDIT: Derek had in in one of his articles it could just be Teague's agent trying to build value for next offseason. Which could go hand in hand with Teague offering an explanation of his declined play along with a promise of improvement.