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Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year?

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Will Orlando have a firm base moving forward after the FA and draft interval?

Yes: GM Hennigan can create a balanced roster that will win games
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No: Orlando does not have assets needed to create a winning team
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Re: Re: Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#41 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:24 pm

SOUL wrote:Klay also had pretty low PER numbers for most of the year, really not a telling stat at all in a lot of areas.

Hezonja also had a very low usage rate in comparison to a lot of players/rookies and didn't shoot the ball much as well as had to deal with getting pulled every time he made a mistake.

And the result of that was we saw him becoming a better defender as the season progressed. I'm glad he pulled him after mistakes. Sit your ass down until you do it right, and he did.
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Re: Re: Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#42 » by Bensational » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:31 pm

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All minutes and opportunities aren't equal. AG being strictly a garbage points guy does nothing for us knowing how much more capable he is. Mario having hardly any plays drawn up for him to get good looks doesn't do anything for us knowing what his ceiling is.

Those guys stood on the court in the most minimal fashion Skiles could craft for them, really. So no, I don't think they've been given substantial roles.

I think Vogel is going to tap into all the potential of those two in particular, plus he'll be able to give Payton a much more supportive season.

Taking it back to the original poll question, I think that will go a long way to restoring balance in development, and pulling back from the 2-3 man show of primarily Vuc, Dipo and Fournier. Defensively, Vogel knows how to build a strong defense, so I anticipate balance being restored on that front (or order, at the very least). Offensively, I hope that Vogel will have more to offer other than Vuc long 2's, Fournier running off curls and some Oladipo ISOs.


So, really when you say "our young guys," you mean Hezonja and Gordon, as Payton, Dipo, and Fournier are all also quite young. And Gordon was 5th on the team in total FGAs. Only Dipo, Payton, Fournier, and Vooch took more shots for us.

Look, I love Gordon and Hezonja too, but I can see who they are at this point in their careers. They need to play enough to get a sense for what they need to work on in the off season, but if free minutes beyond that were going to magically make them better, Payton and Dipo would be stars by now.

Boom. More minutes doesn't equal improvement. This has been prove wrong over and over. The guys improve in the offseason and will get minutes if they're earned.


You guys are clearly missing the point. It's not about total minutes or field goals, it's the opportunity and role within which they're used. Vuc, Oladipo and Fournier already have plays designed for them, and what I'm talking about is getting Gordon and Hezonja to that point, too.

Yeah, there's still development that needs to happen for the other 3 and Payton. It's not mutually exclusive, nor has anyone said as much.
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#43 » by j-ragg » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:49 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:The only dilemma I see is a starting Pg that can't shoot other than that I don't see a dilemma. I think our PF and center rotations are solid. Sg/Sf rotation is good although we could use a 3&D wing player imo.

You honestly see no problem with Vucevic's (dismal) defense do you?
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#44 » by ivDT » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:37 am

kyle lowry has restored my faith in elfrid payton's ability to be a premier player in this league.
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#45 » by Baka_La Flame » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:05 am

Don't think our backcourt can co exist. Eventually it will be broken up. Don't see Vuc as the long term answer at the 5 either
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#46 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:41 pm

Orlandipo wrote:Don't think our backcourt can co exist. Eventually it will be broken up. Don't see Vuc as the long term answer at the 5 either


I agree with this. I do like all of our players, but some of these guys are simply trade assets, which Rob has said from the beginning was part of the plan.
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#47 » by Jiwol » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:57 pm

Orlandipo wrote:Don't think our backcourt can co exist. Eventually it will be broken up. Don't see Vuc as the long term answer at the 5 either


We need PG who can shoot and center who can defend. But I'd like Vuc to stay though as our super sub. Elf? Depends on next season's performance but I'm sceptical if he'll ever be able to make jump shots. Other than that we're fine with Fournier, Hezo, AG and Dipo.
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#48 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:17 pm

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Orlandipo wrote:Don't think our backcourt can co exist. Eventually it will be broken up. Don't see Vuc as the long term answer at the 5 either


We need PG who can shoot and center who can defend. But I'd like Vuc to stay though as our super sub. Elf? Depends on next season's performance but I'm sceptical if he'll ever be able to make jump shots. Other than that we're fine with Fournier, Hezo, AG and Dipo.

Nik's scoring, rebounding, and passing more than make up for his perceived defensive weaknesses. Vogel will implement a strong team defense much like Skiles did which worked the first half of the season. Apparently people forgot that Nik was playing good defense during that span. We can augment the roster with one of the one dimensional BACK UP players people have been mentioning and eager to over pay for (Biyombo, Mahimi).
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#49 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:48 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
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Orlandipo wrote:Don't think our backcourt can co exist. Eventually it will be broken up. Don't see Vuc as the long term answer at the 5 either


We need PG who can shoot and center who can defend. But I'd like Vuc to stay though as our super sub. Elf? Depends on next season's performance but I'm sceptical if he'll ever be able to make jump shots. Other than that we're fine with Fournier, Hezo, AG and Dipo.

Nik's scoring, rebounding, and passing more than make up for his perceived defensive weaknesses. Vogel will implement a strong team defense much like Skiles did which worked the first half of the season. Apparently people forgot that Nik was playing good defense during that span. We can augment the roster with one of the one dimensional BACK UP players people have been mentioning and eager to over pay for (Biyombo, Mahimi).

You do know that defense is the most important dimension of a center by far right? If Vuc can't protect the rim and be elite offensively (ie not taking a ton of long 2s, no 3's, no free throws), he is a liability.
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Re: Will Orlando's structural problems on the roster be solved this year? 

Post#50 » by drsd » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:06 pm

Well, 86% means we all expect GM Hennigan to field a winning roster - Right now !

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