2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[JMac1]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/743883248921518080[/tweet]

Who is this guy?

[rsavaj]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/16/pbts-2016-nba-draft-prospect-preview-jamal-murray/

Yeah, have no idea how anyone can want Hield over him. Hield has a chance to make as much of an impact off the bat, but in the long run, Murray will almost certainly be the better player.

Did you not watch them play? Anyone who picks Murray over Hield is ASSUMING he is going to be better because at the same age.......but that isn't a guarantee. Just Because someone is better at a certain age doesn't mean they will be better at a latter age. That is a gamble..........Hield equals a bird in the hand. Why is that hard to understand?

You could argue that Hield is a gamble as well.

I don't think there are any sure things in this draft other than maaaaaaaaybe Simmons and Ingram.

I'm not claiming any knowledge or certainty one way or the other on any of these guys...highly, highly skeptical of pretty much everybody in the lotto.

[JMac1]

Btw, I changed my vote to Buddy. Bender or Buddy! Buddy....

[darealjuice]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/743883248921518080[/tweet]

Who is this guy?

He does draft stuff on NBA.com, Coro and Givony both follow him so I doubt he's a fraud

[sunsbum]

Ford on already?

[saintEscaton]

Buddy has the slight edge in off the bounce/ creating abilities, athleticism and is considerably longer/taller standing reach, so I think he has the protoypical attributes to be an NBA 2. Buddy has the chance to be an average defender whereas Murray may always be a sieve. don't think Murray is a Korver tier pure shooter and his low release point needs to be reworked if he wants to get his shot off , his piss poor measurables really limit his upside despite age being in his favor

[JMac1]

I was torn on 7 guys; Bender, Chriss, Okafor, Brown, Hield, Murray, and Dunn but know (I think) for here on out:


I was on the Bender train, still am. I love him.
I was on the Murray train, but Buddy is just better right now and who knows with Murray.
I was on the Brown train, but you guys really made me look at his shooting (especially FT's)
I was on the Chriss train, but Bender is better.
I was on the Okafor train, but his style of play is pre-historic (Still option three for me)
I was on the Dunn train, but too much Bledsoe and Knight.

Buddy (Booker and Buddy would be obscene)
Bender (solid 3D player HOPEFULLY)
Okafor (Cousins lite)

Shoot me.

[bwgood77]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/16/pbts-2016-nba-draft-prospect-preview-jamal-murray/

Yeah, have no idea how anyone can want Hield over him. Hield has a chance to make as much of an impact off the bat, but in the long run, Murray will almost certainly be the better player.

Did you not watch them play? Anyone who picks Murray over Hield is ASSUMING he is going to be better because at the same age.......but that isn't a guarantee. Just Because someone is better at a certain age doesn't mean they will be better at a latter age. That is a gamble..........Hield equals a bird in the hand. Why is that hard to understand?

Murray played about as good as Hield anyway, regardless of the discrepancy in age. And you saying Hield is a bird in the hand is ridiculous. No one knows how he will be. Pelton just responded to a question in a chat...

Quinn (New York, NY)

How does your projection system rate guys who see a big improvement in stats from one year to the next, such as Buddy?

Kevin Pelton (4:20 PM)

Historically, that has not been a good indicator that they are likely to play like the improved year going forward.

[sunsbum]

YOU **** LIED ABOUT CHAD FRAUD BEING ON. SCUMBAG.

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/743883248921518080[/tweet]

Who is this guy?

On NBA TV and NBA.COM

[bwgood77]

YOU **** LIED ABOUT CHAD FRAUD BEING ON. SCUMBAG.

I was thinking that meant a twitter chat (almost just typed chitter tw...)...anyway I guess it was a link to a FB video that I think we already had the transcript from posted earlier.

[sunsbum]

YOU **** LIED ABOUT CHAD FRAUD BEING ON. SCUMBAG.

I was thinking that meant a twitter chat (almost just typed chitter tw...)...anyway I guess it was a link to a FB video that I think we already had the transcript from posted earlier.

Ulis at 4 confirmed.

[bwgood77]

So you are saying Austin performed like Buddy did? Buddy is a baller, if you don't want to pick him cool, but to down play him and up play "potential" guys, that's nonsense.

Yea, Buddy is going to forget how to shoot when he gets to the NBA. I am so tired of seeing open shooters brick threes all the time (PJ) and then watch Curry and Klay do what NBA shooters are supposed to do and we act like OMG they are the greatest since slice bread and no one will be able to shoot like that. Buddy can!

No, I'm saying you remind me of a poster claiming a prospect was a sure thing and could play immediately at a high level in the NBA. I mean it sounds like you expect him to play better than most rookie of the years. I mean Tyreke and MCW were rookie of the years.

I think he will probably play pretty well if he ends up in Minnesota or New Orleans, and maybe Boston...Boston more because they are in dire need of shooting...the other two because other guys demand SO much attention he might get a lot of good looks.

I don't even expect him to be as good as Booker was as a rookie...he might shoot it a little better. I don't really expect him to be able to shoot like Klay can now, like you suggest, with a 59.7 TS%.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Buddy has the slight edge in off the bounce/ creating abilities, athleticism and is considerably longer/taller standing reach, so I think he has the protoypical attributes to be an NBA 2. Buddy has the chance to be an average defender whereas Murray may always be a sieve. don't think Murray is a Korver tier pure shooter and his low release point needs to be reworked if he wants to get his shot off , his piss poor measurables really limit his upside despite age being in his favor

I agree when viewing them both as 2 guard prospects. The question with Murray is could he be a point in the NBA. His numbers in college would say it's unlikely he could be a point but he also wasn't asked to be the point so it's not a forgone conclusion that he can't. With that said if the suns are drafting someone as a future pg they might as well take Dunn.

[saintEscaton]

Buddy has the slight edge in off the bounce/ creating abilities, athleticism and is considerably longer/taller standing reach, so I think he has the protoypical attributes to be an NBA 2. Buddy has the chance to be an average defender whereas Murray may always be a sieve. don't think Murray is a Korver tier pure shooter and his low release point needs to be reworked if he wants to get his shot off , his piss poor measurables really limit his upside despite age being in his favor

I agree when viewing them both as 2 guard prospects. The question with Murray is could he be a point in the NBA. His numbers in college would say it's unlikely he could be a point but he also wasn't asked to be the point so it's not a forgone conclusion that he can't. With that said if the suns are drafting someone as a future pg they might as well take Dunn.

Coach Cal actually give him the reigns to start the season because he showed promise running the point in the Pan Am games/ Nike EYBL. The results? UK dropped out of the AP Top 25 for the first time in 2 year and Murray failed to break even registered a assist tot turnover ratio less than 1 and Ulis was given his job back.Murray's assist percentage was below average even for a wing , although he was asked to do a little more playmaking, he was dreadful in transition and isn't someone you want pushing the break or trying to collapse a D

[MrMiyagi]

ONE MORE WEEK UNTIL I CAN USE THIS FONT ON SOME NEW NAMES!!!!!!!!!!

[sunsbum]

Yea, a few reasons I've cooled off him are a.) defensive concerns and i dont think he fits with our team. I see him being good on a squad like philly where the ball will be running through simmons and murray can come off screens and what not.

[Saberestar]

What player were the Suns interviewing at lunch today?

Paul Coro: Did he look like a 7-foot Croatian?

No, black guy about 6'8"

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevefoote12/status/743915954036367360/photo/1

I think that is Chriss....this is interesting.

[GetYourPHX]

What player were the Suns interviewing at lunch today?

Paul Coro: Did he look like a 7-foot Croatian?

No, black guy about 6'8"

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevefoote12/status/743915954036367360/photo/1

I think that is Chriss....this is interesting.

Pictures like this are my favorite part of the offseason.

[Waylay13]

I expect what Kobe expects.

Yea and a lot of people expected that Jimmer Fredette would be a player in the NBA because he could shot so well. Well I guess being All NBA D-League second is something to brag about.

And a lot of people said the same about Curry and CJ that they are saying about Buddy. So never pick a senior stud player again because of Jimmer

And lets ignore all of the young guys who came into the league with high projections and failed miserably. I don't roll that way. i take every circumstance on its own individual merits......I am dumb that way.

No, but look for them to do something more then just score. When you have an undersized player who doesnt pass well, defend, rebound or is super athletic you want to look for someone else with a lottery pick. Lottery picks should bring something to the table besides scoring if you want them to be anything more than a sparkplug off the bench. Ask yourself this would you take Hield or Barbosa if they were both the same age? I would take Barbosa as I think he brought more to the table then you will ever get out of Heild.