Thon Maker is at least 23 years old

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I do think he's older than 19. But a yearbook posted on reddit doesn't really prove anything to me. If that's all it takes, give me an hour or two and I will have proof that I'm a Harvard grad

OK, you're on the clock.

[jack612]

I do think he's older than 19. But a yearbook posted on reddit doesn't really prove anything to me. If that's all it takes, give me an hour or two and I will have proof that I'm a Harvard grad

OK, you're on the clock.

Yeah, I'd like to see this too. Remember that everyone else in the book must have actually gone to Harvard and it has to be a good enough fake to be convincing in a video.

You've got about 55 minutes left.

[mj23z]

So what do you make of the majority of NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23 right before the draft? It was in the media, not exactly a small story.

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/746016789847478272[/tweet]

The most respected draft site online .

One of the ONLY one's who has most of the market share doesn't mean the most respected. That would be like saying Walmart is the most respected store. I have read MANY scouting reports on that site that the average RealGM poster could probably have done better than.

They are pretty much the top draft site on the internet, its not at all like that. But hey, random reddit guy = reliable, OK.

Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.

in australia, yearbooks are only for the graduating class (year 12)

Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

[RaptorsLife]

thon is egotasic dummy. i know people who went to his high school in orangeville. the competition level was awful

[spacemonkey]

I do think he's older than 19. But a yearbook posted on reddit doesn't really prove anything to me. If that's all it takes, give me an hour or two and I will have proof that I'm a Harvard grad

OK, you're on the clock.

Yeah, I'd like to see this too. Remember that everyone else in the book must have actually gone to Harvard and it has to be a good enough fake to be convincing in a video.

You've got about 55 minutes left.

He was obviously a Harvard grad who successfully applied for the Secret Service and had to wipe any trace of his existence. His RealGM persona is simply a cover persona, and he purposefully makes dumb replies so that you remain none the wiser.

[bondom34]

So what do you make of the majority of NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23 right before the draft? It was in the media, not exactly a small story.

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.

One of the ONLY one's who has most of the market share doesn't mean the most respected. That would be like saying Walmart is the most respected store. I have read MANY scouting reports on that site that the average RealGM poster could probably have done better than.

They are pretty much the top draft site on the internet, its not at all like that. But hey, random reddit guy = reliable, OK.

Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.

in australia, yearbooks are only for the graduating class (year 12)

Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

[MaxRider]

It seems like whenever there is a good African potential lottery pick the first thing people do to try to discredit him is spread rumors about their ages

they did it with Yi Jianlian too

[mj23z]

So what do you make of the majority of NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23 right before the draft? It was in the media, not exactly a small story.

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.

They are pretty much the top draft site on the internet, its not at all like that. But hey, random reddit guy = reliable, OK.

Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.

in australia, yearbooks are only for the graduating class (year 12)

Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

Then why are their mock drafts almost always the furthest off the mark?

Everyone could tell that Skal was never in #1 contention, yet they were the only ones who totally misread his talent. This continued all the way to the draft when they still had him at #11 in their final mock draft.

[OkcSinceSGA]

So what do you make of the majority of NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23 right before the draft? It was in the media, not exactly a small story.

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.

One of the ONLY one's who has most of the market share doesn't mean the most respected. That would be like saying Walmart is the most respected store. I have read MANY scouting reports on that site that the average RealGM poster could probably have done better than.

They are pretty much the top draft site on the internet, its not at all like that. But hey, random reddit guy = reliable, OK.

Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.

in australia, yearbooks are only for the graduating class (year 12)

Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

1. Majority is probably a stretch but several absolutely implies more than 2 or 3 or even 4 in most cases, so stop playing devil's advocate. I'm pretty sure if it was NBA teams ruling out Thon due to age it was due to fears of him being older which is implied. The exact wording is "Several teams" yet you're arguing that Fischer never said they were NBA teams? Even though this was in DIRECT reference to the NBA draft and he said several TEAMS?

2. I ragged on Draftexpress to basically say they aren't some be all end all source, but you're going way too far here man. Merely predicting a pick that disagrees with yours etc means nothing. Most scouting sites/reports for example had Okafor over Towns the year before that I saw, yet Towns is lightyears better. Simply being wrong on the draft board happens every year and it's to be expected. The main thing I griped about was their actual scouting reports can be very vague and amateur. But the mock drafts aren't something to criticize given how fluid that process is and how it really boils down to opinion, which isn't right or wrong until proven right or wrong after the fact.

3. "Both schools I went to" implying that because YOUR schools did it that way, others possibly can't do it another way? Even though Australians including the guy who made that Reddit have already said their school did the graduating class way?


You're either a troll or have the logic of a 14 year old. I normally wouldn't insult you on this but you jumped in out of nowhere and just quoted everyone and called people out with pretty **** faulty logic. Move along now wee lad.

[youOK]

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.



Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.



Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

Then why are their mock drafts almost always the furthest off the mark?

Everyone could tell that Skal was never in #1 contention, yet they were the only ones who totally misread his talent. This continued all the way to the draft when they still had him at #11 in their final mock draft.

No one is saying they are perfect but they are pretty much the #1 respected draft site. Please give us your list of better sites, I for one would gladly prefer a more accurate/reputable site.

[mj23z]

Apparently his VISA from when he entered Australia say's that he's 19 years old, so he either forged his documents, which is a crime, and he will be punished for, or this is all BS made up by the Bucks to try and scare other teams off drafting him.

Either way it would be really easy for a billion dollar business to find out from the Australian government if his documents are infact forged or not.

[DaddyCool19]

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

How is it rubbish? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/mock-draft-history/

They had him at 2nd from March until June.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Apparently his VISA from when he entered Australia say's that he's 19 years old, so he either forged his documents, which is a crime, and he will be punished for, or this is all BS made up by the Bucks to try and scare other teams off drafting him.

Either way it would be really easy for a billion dollar business to find out from the Australian government if his documents are infact forged or not.

Dupe.

[bondom34]

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

How is it rubbish? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/mock-draft-history/

They had him at 2nd from March until June.

Its rubbish that they're not the top draft site.

[bondom34]

What? Rubbish. When does "several teams" become the majority? Several teams could mean 2, 3 or 4. When there's 30 NBA teams in the league, that is NOT a majority. Also there is 0 evidence that "NBA scouts/front offices determining that his true age was 21-23". All that tweet from SI said is that a few teams ruled him out because of "age". Which could mean anything. It could just mean they had concerns over his age, or even that they just couldn't get as much evidence as they wanted.
Jake Fischer never said that his "multiple sources" who believed that Thon was 21-23 were infact NBA teams. He could even just be referring to those Reddit posts.



Draftexpress the best draft site? Rubbish. Whilst most draft sites had Ben Simmons #1 for the last 24 months, DraftExpress had Skal Labissière #1 all pre season (lol) and for the first few months of College season even though he massively stunk it up, all because of 1 good exhibition game at Nike Hoops Summit (which he only played well because Simmons made him look good with a ton of assists, which Skal even admitted in an interview).

Then at the end of College season when most sites had Simmons still #1, DX had Ingram #1 for a few months. This was along with many other stupid decisions, like having Skal #11 and Davis #10 in their final mock draft.

For a site that's #1 priority is talent identification and draft previews, they are always way off the mark.



Rubbish. That's just not true. Both schools I went to did yearly yearbooks with every class represented. And it was the same for my friends schools in the area.

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

Then why are their mock drafts almost always the furthest off the mark?

Everyone could tell that Skal was never in #1 contention, yet they were the only ones who totally misread his talent. This continued all the way to the draft when they still had him at #11 in their final mock draft.

This year, maybe? And even then I'd say look at the rest of the picks. They have the best scouting around.

[ebo]

Another picture got posted of that Thon Maker from the 2007 class in the reddit thread. I don't think it is the same person as the one that got drafted.

See link, but the biggest issues is that he isn't towering over everybody. My guess is that since both Thon and Maker are common Sudanese names, its could just someone else who has the same name.

http://i.imgur.com/R1kBhD3.jpg

Also, the OP remembered playing with a Thon Maker, who didn't tower over everybody.

I went to Aranmore and graduated a couple of years before this but I remember a Thon Maker and I know there were a lot of Makers at the school as we had quite a large Sudanese community. My friends thought it was the same person two years ago when his hoop mixtapes started popping up, but the person we remember playing soccer with us named Thon Maker was much smaller (and obviously younger at the time) so we weren't really sure and just put it down to it being a common name. I do remember the person in the picture though.

[GreenBloodedC]

Bucks could use some veteran leadership anyway.

Savage

[OkcSinceSGA]

Rubbish.

And generally, DX is the top draft site. I can't think of one more reputable.

Then why are their mock drafts almost always the furthest off the mark?

Everyone could tell that Skal was never in #1 contention, yet they were the only ones who totally misread his talent. This continued all the way to the draft when they still had him at #11 in their final mock draft.

This year, maybe? And even then I'd say look at the rest of the picks. They have the best scouting around.

In yours/DX's defense this draft was arguably the hardest one ever to really mock or place. No clear cut star potential guys outside of maybe Simmons/Ingram and a ton of similar level role player types. I remember scouts talking about how hard this was going to be to mock because a player that may go 10 for example, could easily fall to 20 or 30. It was just a tough one to gauge.

[Method28]

The more important question here is.....what's the real age of Stephen A. Smith?

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[OkcSinceSGA]

Another picture got posted of that Thon Maker from the 2007 class in the reddit thread. I don't think it is the same person as the one that got drafted.

See link, but the biggest issues is that he isn't towering over everybody. My guess is that since both Thon and Maker are common Sudanese names, its could just someone else who has the same name.

http://i.imgur.com/R1kBhD3.jpg

Also, the OP remembered playing with a Thon Maker, who didn't tower over everybody.

I went to Aranmore and graduated a couple of years before this but I remember a Thon Maker and I know there were a lot of Makers at the school as we had quite a large Sudanese community. My friends thought it was the same person two years ago when his hoop mixtapes started popping up, but the person we remember playing soccer with us named Thon Maker was much smaller (and obviously younger at the time) so we weren't really sure and just put it down to it being a common name. I do remember the person in the picture though.

I put this into the "He doesn't look this old" category of being very meh evidence. Growth spurts differ for everyone and there are tons of stories of guys growing a foot in 1-2 HS years, just like a ton where NBA bigs were nearly 7 ft since their freshman year of high school. It's hardly indicative of anything. Anthony Davis said he was 6'2 or 6'3 until his JR or SR year of high school if I recall. Maker being only a couple inches taller than everyone at say 13 or 14 years old supposedly or even 16 means little.