The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Captain_Caveman]

My dream is a surprise trade for Cousins

I actually think it can happen despite the ridicule that view attracts.

The ridicule mostly derives from giving up a Nets pick for him.

[Captain_Caveman]

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Sounds like there could still be a deal available.

If Celtics general manager Danny Ainge, for example, proposed swapping Boston's No. 3 overall selection for Noel and the Sixers' top-3 protected 2017 Lakers pick (which would be unprotected in '18), as an NBA source heard happened, Colangelo had no choice but to decline.

But he still needs to find a way to restore the roster balance.

Since the rest of the league realizes this, could that mean it will be tougher to get an equitable deal done because other teams will continue to try to exploit the Sixers' predicament? Don't forget, we're in the midst of an era when big men appear to be growing less and less important in favor of perimeter play.

Colangelo doesn't believe so, noting the Celtics were looking to add a big man with some pro experience in exchange for the No. 3 pick but took California swingman Jaylen Brown instead.

"If (the Celtics) were having that conversation with me, I know probably about 10 other teams or more were having that same conversation," Colangelo said. "No deal was made, so maybe we were all in the same boat. I don't think we got taken advantage of by any means. If we had made a bad deal, you could've put us in that category but we decided to stand pat."

There's a chance Colangelo could re-visit one of the trades discussed on draft night. A new scenario could present itself. Another team could decide it must upgrade at the center position.

Another possibility is Colangelo and the Sixers value Noel and Okafor higher than the rest of the league. Perhaps reported discussion of the Sixers sending Noel to the Hawks for point guard Jeff Teague in early June was a more reasonable deal than most Philly fans determined at the time. Teague went to the Pacers in a draft-night trade that brought Indiana the No. 12 choice.

"I think everybody (in Philly is) overvaluing those two guys," an NBA source said of Noel and Okafor four hours before the draft began.

[GregB]

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Sounds like there could still be a deal available.

I'm sure they're still shopping them but the value they're getting offered back is probably like Jarrett Jack and a future 2nd rounder heh

I still feel like a deal around Bradley for Noel could make a ton of sense for Both teams. I love Bradley but I feel like our depth on the wing allows us to make a move to improve our front court like that. Noel would be absolute dynamic on this roster. Bradley would really help Phillys backcourt.

Depending on what we do in Free Agency , this could be a move that goes down later in the summer.

[greenroom31]

My dream is a surprise trade for Cousins

I actually think it can happen despite the ridicule that view attracts.

The ridicule mostly derives from giving up a Nets pick for him.

Setting aside the details, you've gotta wonder what in the hell the Kings are doing (as usual). They sign Koufos to a 4 year deal with Cousins under contract for another 2 years, then draft WCS, then follow that up by drafting TWO MORE 7 footers in the 1st round. I mean what in the **** are they possibly thinking for minutes for those two spots? If they don't plan to deal Cousins I really just don't get it.

[Captain_Caveman]

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Sounds like there could still be a deal available.

I'm sure they're still shopping them but the value they're getting offered back is probably like Jarrett Jack and a future 2nd rounder heh

I still feel like a deal around Bradley for Noel could make a ton of sense for Both teams. I love Bradley but I feel like our depth on the wing allows us to make a move to improve our front court like that. Noel would be absolute dynamic on this roster. Bradley would really help Phillys backcourt.

Depending on what we do in Free Agency , this could be a move that goes down later in the summer.

I know he can't shoot, but I feel like Smart is more likely there.

Bradley on a 2-year deal is a pretty trashy deal for Noel.

[Kaykoose]

I'm sure they're still shopping them but the value they're getting offered back is probably like Jarrett Jack and a future 2nd rounder heh

I still feel like a deal around Bradley for Noel could make a ton of sense for Both teams. I love Bradley but I feel like our depth on the wing allows us to make a move to improve our front court like that. Noel would be absolute dynamic on this roster. Bradley would really help Phillys backcourt.

Depending on what we do in Free Agency , this could be a move that goes down later in the summer.

I know he can't shoot, but I feel like Smart is more likely there.

Bradley on a 2-year deal is a pretty trashy deal for Noel.

Smart for Noel is a trade I could get behind. I'd also trade him for Okafor

[Celts17Pride]

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Sounds like there could still be a deal available.

I'm sure they're still shopping them but the value they're getting offered back is probably like Jarrett Jack and a future 2nd rounder heh

I still feel like a deal around Bradley for Noel could make a ton of sense for Both teams. I love Bradley but I feel like our depth on the wing allows us to make a move to improve our front court like that. Noel would be absolute dynamic on this roster. Bradley would really help Phillys backcourt.

Depending on what we do in Free Agency , this could be a move that goes down later in the summer.

Smart for Noel plus others would make more sense. Smart like Noel is offensively challenged

[GregB]

I'm sure they're still shopping them but the value they're getting offered back is probably like Jarrett Jack and a future 2nd rounder heh

I still feel like a deal around Bradley for Noel could make a ton of sense for Both teams. I love Bradley but I feel like our depth on the wing allows us to make a move to improve our front court like that. Noel would be absolute dynamic on this roster. Bradley would really help Phillys backcourt.

Depending on what we do in Free Agency , this could be a move that goes down later in the summer.

I know he can't shoot, but I feel like Smart is more likely there.

Bradley on a 2-year deal is a pretty trashy deal for Noel.

Smart would have to be in consideration from the Celtics standpoint. But, I wonder if there market get soft enough Bradley + one of Rozier/Jackson + James Young gets it done.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Quick Memphis related question: Is Conley a free agent (I believe so)? If yes, and he signs elsewhere, Marc Gasol seems ripe for the taking, and, although old, I think the value could be right, not to mention a great mentor for our bigs. I believe previously rumors with Ainge linking us to him, seems like one of his patented out-of-nowhere moves.

[DijonRondo]

Is it homer to ask for more than just Noel if we are trading Smart? Not that I think too highly of Smart, but he still has what, 2 years on his deal and the potential to improve much more compared to Noel and his 1 year?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think ideally we'd try to get Noel without giving up Smart or Bradley. Rozier/Hunter/Young/LAC 1st?

But when it comes to it, Smart for Okafor or Noel is near-impossible to turn down.

There's also a Sully sign and trade.. We'll see where the needle stops.

[FlatearthZorro]

I think ideally we'd try to get Noel without giving up Smart or Bradley. Rozier/Hunter/Young/LAC 1st?

But when it comes to it, Smart for Okafor or Noel is near-impossible to turn down.

There's also a Sully sign and trade.. We'll see where the needle stops.

That's a ridiculous lowball... I'm a homer, too, but it wont work. By giving up Rozier/Hunter/Young, we basically give up nothing and gain an athletic rim protector, who was a top 5 pick, it's just not happening.


I'd give up Smart and Hunter for Noel. I'm really bothered with Noel's off the court problems and contract situation, tho... 20 mils for Noel doesn't sound too good. I'd rather pay Whiteside 20 mils straight up. He's my ideal match for our roster.

[GreenFor3]

I think ideally we'd try to get Noel without giving up Smart or Bradley. Rozier/Hunter/Young/LAC 1st?

But when it comes to it, Smart for Okafor or Noel is near-impossible to turn down.

There's also a Sully sign and trade.. We'll see where the needle stops.

That's a ridiculous lowball... I'm a homer, too, but it wont work. By giving up Rozier/Hunter/Young, we basically give up nothing and gain an athletic rim protector, who was a top 5 pick, it's just not happening.


I'd give up Smart and Hunter for Noel. I'm really bothered with Noel's off the court problems and contract situation, tho... 20 mils for Noel doesn't sound too good. I'd rather pay Whiteside 20 mils straight up. He's my ideal match for our roster.

Noel was the 6th pick

[FlatearthZorro]

I think ideally we'd try to get Noel without giving up Smart or Bradley. Rozier/Hunter/Young/LAC 1st?

But when it comes to it, Smart for Okafor or Noel is near-impossible to turn down.

There's also a Sully sign and trade.. We'll see where the needle stops.

That's a ridiculous lowball... I'm a homer, too, but it wont work. By giving up Rozier/Hunter/Young, we basically give up nothing and gain an athletic rim protector, who was a top 5 pick, it's just not happening.


I'd give up Smart and Hunter for Noel. I'm really bothered with Noel's off the court problems and contract situation, tho... 20 mils for Noel doesn't sound too good. I'd rather pay Whiteside 20 mils straight up. He's my ideal match for our roster.

Noel was the 6th pick

Okay ... Anyhow, I still want to take Whiteside, you keep Yabusele, KD stays with the OKC. You frontcourt is basically 3 goons- Jae, Yabusele and Whiteside, those 3 would look really intimidating together.

[cl2117]

Smart will not net the Celtics either Noel or Okafor. He can't shoot consistently and with them taking Ben Simmons and building around him and their bigs they need a guard who can shoot the ball a bit.

That's why I think Bradley makes a lot of sense for them because, similarly to how the Bucks fanbase is all about trading for Bradley because of Giannis playing point-forward, Simmons will be playing a similar position so you won't need a PG who has to handle the ball all that much. Therefor a guy like AB who has developed a solid jumper and can hit the three fits perfectly at the point since his main deficiency in that regard is ball-handling.

I wouldn't want to be trading AB though. He's too good a role player for us.

Quick Memphis related question: Is Conley a free agent (I believe so)? If yes, and he signs elsewhere, Marc Gasol seems ripe for the taking, and, although old, I think the value could be right, not to mention a great mentor for our bigs. I believe previously rumors with Ainge linking us to him, seems like one of his patented out-of-nowhere moves.

I've thought a similar thing, but really you'd want to be bringing in a second player who could help make the most of the remaining prime years of Gasol, because at that price (both in terms of salary and what it'd take to get him) you'd want to be competing immediately. Something like Gasol and Butler/KD/Gallo/Love etc. If we could pair Gasol with a scoring wing/PF that'd be great.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Smart will not net the Celtics either Noel or Okafor. He can't shoot consistently and with them taking Ben Simmons and building around him and their bigs they need a guard who can shoot the ball a bit.

That's why I think Bradley makes a lot of sense for them because, similarly to how the Bucks fanbase is all about trading for Bradley because of Giannis playing point-forward, Simmons will be playing a similar position so you won't need a PG who has to handle the ball all that much. Therefor a guy like AB who has developed a solid jumper and can hit the three fits perfectly at the point since his main deficiency in that regard is ball-handling.

I wouldn't want to be trading AB though. He's too good a role player for us.

Quick Memphis related question: Is Conley a free agent (I believe so)? If yes, and he signs elsewhere, Marc Gasol seems ripe for the taking, and, although old, I think the value could be right, not to mention a great mentor for our bigs. I believe previously rumors with Ainge linking us to him, seems like one of his patented out-of-nowhere moves.

I've thought a similar thing, but really you'd want to be bringing in a second player who could help make the most of the remaining prime years of Gasol, because at that price (both in terms of salary and what it'd take to get him) you'd want to be competing immediately. Something like Gasol and Butler/KD/Gallo/Love etc. If we could pair Gasol with a scoring wing/PF that'd be great.

I think doing such a trade is voicing a comfort that something else might not be available right now, while appreciating that we should be among the most competitive teams at the all star deadline (griffin, cousins, etc.), even if it has been a bit dry two seasons in a row.

[RickyDizzle]

Some rough constructs for trade ideas... things are boring, I don't see much going on, so just a few ideas:

- Faried for Amir and one of Young, Hunter, or Demetrius Jackson?
- Gallo for Amir and the Clippers pick
- S&T Sully for Taj Gibson
- Monroe for Amir and James Young
- Chandler and Len for Amir and Olynyk
- Rubio, Dieng, Muhammad for Smart, Amir, and Jackson
-S&T Fornier for Sully and 1st... can we sign and trade one player for another sign and traded player? Can we attach a pick to a S&T'd asset?

Dizzy

[Crossy2008]

The problem for trading for Noel is that if Philly can't get a deal done by the trade deadline, then he probably walks for nothing. I mean if Okafor impresses, Simmons is very good, Embiid stays healthy, and Saric show flashes, then there is no way Philly could resign him.

So any team realistically trading for Noel is trading the value of 1 year of service. They get the option to have matching rights too, but that is only valuable if a team thinks that he will be worth the max.

Our trade stash right now consists of Rozier/Hunter/Young/Bos '18 1st/Bos '19 1st/Lac '19 1st.
There has to be enough in there to get Philly to bite.

[RickyDizzle]

The problem for trading for Noel is that if Philly can't get a deal done by the trade deadline, then he probably walks for nothing. I mean if Okafor impresses, Simmons is very good, Embiid stays healthy, and Saric show flashes, then there is no way Philly could resign him.

So any team realistically trading for Noel is trading the value of 1 year of service. They get the option to have matching rights too, but that is only valuable if a team thinks that he will be worth the max.

Our trade stash right now consists of Rozier/Hunter/Young/Bos '18 1st/Bos '19 1st/Lac '19 1st.
There has to be enough in there to get Philly to bite.

Thats a pretty tiny portion of our trade stash. Are those the pieces you would be willing to trade for Noel in some combination? I think our trade stash includes the Brooklyn pick and swap, the memphis pick, Smart, Crowder, IT, Olynyk, expirings of Jerebko and Amir, Brown, Yabusele, etc....

I dont think Noel is worth most of that stuff, but there's no one on this team that shouldn't unavailable for the right trade. In regards to trading for Noel specifically, I would add Smart, all the non-Jaylen Brown rookies, Olynyk, Sully, Jerebko, and the Memphis first as pieces I would consider for Noel (in some combination). I would not trade Brown, IT, Bradley, or Crowder for Noel... otherwise everyone is on the table.

Dizzy

[lon3lytoaster]

I'm gonna continue to be very okay with not giving up that third pick for Noel unless they threw in the Lakers pick. Noel to me is a C+, B- prospect. I'd have thrown in another pick or other filler to get LA's pick but that would have been my breaking point in negotiations with Philly as well.

Noel came into the league as damaged goods, only has one year before you have to worry about extensions and/or qualifiting offers and that Lakers pick is still protected next year, so there's a chance we wouldn't see it until 2018.

I don't think the offer of Noel, Covington and the the two picks was a bad one at all. Definitely shows they were serious about getting the third pick but I also see an overvaluing of Noel. If he has showed as offensive potential, I'd be all over it but it's not there. The two picks also weren't a fit for needs.

But, can't wait to see what shakes loose after free agency. Hopefully we can revisit Butler at least. Would of been nice to have a carrot to dangle at Durant but better late than never, I guess if we found some middle ground there.