Rookie of the Year: The Marco Belinelli Thread

Post #361 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:42 pm

Braggins wrote:We've officially given up on drafting. Not really what you want to see from a small market team...

I think that's a pretty lazy take. We sure as hell didn't punt on Frank at 9 last year, we could have gotten some real assets for that.

spaceballer · Post #362 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:43 pm

James Gatz wrote:It seems like it was S&T gone wrong and now we will have to live with the fallout. Very bummed about this.

Was there ever any evidence that it was part of a S&T or larger deal? Or was that all just wishful thinking on our part? I know we spent a lot of time ruminating over it, but I can't seem to recall any actual evidence that it was anything more.

LofJ · Post #363 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:45 pm

Braggins wrote:
LofJ wrote:Cho has officially lost his first trade. We should have, at the very least, received a 2nd round pick or the rights to Skal.

I know we were trying to trade up and obviously didn't like the guys in our range, but we made this trade before the draft had even begun. Lazy, poor work on the part of our front office.

We've officially given up on drafting. Not really what you want to see from a small market team...

It was a crappy draft, that's why so many guys that were predicted to go in the lottery fell to the late first. We haven't given up on the draft, but it clearly took a back seat to free agency and trades this summer. I'm still hopeful that the changes we made to our scouting staff and the fact that we have a d-league team now means we'll do better when it comes to the draft and unsigned market going forward.

spaceballer · Post #364 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:47 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Makes zero sense to trade the 22 before the draft started absent talks of a larger deal. Cho has never traded a first round pick before the draft. Doesn't add up.

The only way I could see Cho pulling the trigger so early is if he was pressured into it. Say if the Kings gave him an ultimatum and that if he didn't pull the trigger, Belli would be gone in another deal (or as part of a larger other deal with a different partner) that the Kings had lined up or something. And Cho was so enamored with Belli that he didn't want to risk losing out.

The only consistent thread I can find is that both the early Lamb extension and Belly fit the same FO approach of getting locked in deals for defined salary during this FA cap boom, in order to avoid having to overpay during this spending spree. So it seems to be of a piece.

Post #365 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:49 pm

That's possible, probably the most likely scenario, but then SAC loses the 22 (which is really good value for Belinelli). What kind of leverage did they really have there?

Right now I think it's clear we didn't maximize value in that trade. Even if there was a contingent deal that fell through, was it really worth that risk?

I'm not too mad because the fallout is all speculative. If Belinelli bounces back I won't be upset at all and this could still turn out to be a great move. If he's just meh, then this becomes a black mark on Cho's trade record.

Post #366 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:53 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BaselineBuzz/status/751066053371842561[/tweet]

Welcome (Back) Belinelli

spaceballer · Post #367 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:55 pm

yosemiteben wrote:That's possible, probably the most likely scenario, but then SAC loses the 22 (which is really good value for Belinelli). What kind of leverage did they really have there?

Right now I think it's clear we didn't maximize value in that trade. Even if there was a contingent deal that fell through, was it really worth that risk?

I'm not too mad because the fallout is all speculative. If Belinelli bounces back I won't be upset at all and this could still turn out to be a great move. If he's just meh, then this becomes a black mark on Cho's trade record.

I don't think Belli inherently has as much trade value unless you really like him as Cho seems to. But it's possible he would have been salary filler in a larger deal for the Kings, which would mean Cho missing out. And Cho was looking for the best vet he could get for the 22 (he for some reason said all the other trade options were "too expensive" to pull the trigger on), and he wasn't likely to use the 22 for a rookie anyway.

Post #368 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:55 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Unicorn. Dead.

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Jesus....

Post #369 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:06 pm

spaceballer wrote:And Cho was looking for the best vet he could get for the 22 (he for some reason said all the other trade options were "too expensive" to pull the trigger on), and he wasn't likely to use the 22 for a rookie anyway.

When did he say this? Especially not using 22 for a prospect?

Flip Murray · Post #370 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:08 pm

come on...

spaceballer · Post #371 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:09 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
spaceballer wrote:And Cho was looking for the best vet he could get for the 22 (he for some reason said all the other trade options were "too expensive" to pull the trigger on), and he wasn't likely to use the 22 for a rookie anyway.

When did he say this? Especially not using 22 for a prospect?

He didn't say the part about not using the 22. But he said that they explored all options and the other options were "too expensive" I believe during the press conference on draft day when he made the trade announcement.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #372 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:12 pm

These acquisitions becoming official also mean that Jorge, Hansbrough, Taylor, and Maxiell are officially renounced to make room.

Our seven players under contract, the three acquisitions, and three cap holds put us right at the cap threshold. We'll exceed the cap when Batum, Marvin, and maybe Daniels officially sign. And then Roberts will be added for the minimum.

Still have the Room MLE of $2.898M.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #373 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:14 pm

spaceballer wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
spaceballer wrote:And Cho was looking for the best vet he could get for the 22 (he for some reason said all the other trade options were "too expensive" to pull the trigger on), and he wasn't likely to use the 22 for a rookie anyway.

When did he say this? Especially not using 22 for a prospect?

He didn't say the part about not using the 22. But he said that they explored all options and the other options were "too expensive" I believe during the press conference on draft day when he made the trade announcement.

He said it was too expensive to get another pick, but then the Warriors bought McCaw.

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Braggins · Post #374 » by **Braggins** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:15 pm

Marco better get his ass in shape and not completely suck. I'm pretty sure we just got stuck with a slower version of Gary Neal, though.

spaceballer · Post #375 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:16 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:These acquisitions becoming official also mean that Jorge, Hansbrough, Taylor, and Maxiell are officially renounced to make room.

Our seven players under contract, the three acquisitions, and three cap holds put us right at the cap threshold. We'll exceed the cap when Batum, Marvin, and maybe Daniels officially sign. And the Roberts will be added for the minimum.

Still have the Room MLE of $2.898M.

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There's a lot of money out there, but eventually it'll all get spent. At that point, someone will be left standing in the game of musical chairs. That's when the Room MLE might be able to get you a bargain of someone who fell through the cracks.

Post #376 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:16 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:These acquisitions becoming official also mean that Jorge, Hansbrough, Taylor, and Maxiell are officially renounced to make room.

Our seven players under contract, the three acquisitions, and three cap holds put us right at the cap threshold. We'll exceed the cap when Batum, Marvin, and maybe Daniels officially sign. And the Roberts will be added for the minimum.

Still have the Room MLE of $2.898M.

I'm looking forward to seeing how much cap flexibility we'll have next summer when the full details of these contracts roll in.

Post #377 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:17 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Unicorn. Dead.

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Braggins · Post #378 » by **Braggins** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:19 pm

Straight Up Belly

LofJ · Post #379 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:21 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:These acquisitions becoming official also mean that Jorge, Hansbrough, Taylor, and Maxiell are officially renounced to make room.

Our seven players under contract, the three acquisitions, and three cap holds put us right at the cap threshold. We'll exceed the cap when Batum, Marvin, and maybe Daniels officially sign. And the Roberts will be added for the minimum.

Still have the Room MLE of $2.898M.

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Given that we were interested in Brandon Rush and he ended up signing for a bit more than that I imagine we've earmarked the Room MLE for a defensive wing.

Post #380 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:23 pm

This is right up there with not signing JLin to the full MLE in the head scratcher department. Sometimes it'd be nice to have Ainge who will wax poetic about all the options he was pursuing, even if they are all unrealistic.