Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[I_Like_Dirt]

Your right, the Bulls are better off watching Wade play less than 60 games, with a TS of 51%, a WS/48 of less than 0.10, with a usage of 30%... After that amazing display the Bulls can then earn the right to pay a 36 y/o Wade 25M in 2017.

You realize he is getting 10M more than Gasol each of the next two years, and Gasol is a far superior player at this point.

Who says I thought they should sign Wade. Still, you do need to sign players. Otherwise your stuck signing players the next year. The Bulls have never signed a bigtime free agent - Wade is the first even if he's pretty washed up at this point. Everyone thinks it's a good idea to chase Westbrook and Curry, but really, how good of an idea is it? The Lakers are the one team that has really managed to pull it off over the years, and they just whiffed on Love and are really very bad right now, having just signed Mozgov and Deng, and having traded for Jose Calderon. The Lakers might have the hometown advantage on Westbrook, but life is tough when you have a really bad team.

When you're the Bulls and don't have really anything on those players, taking the year off and missing the playoffs for a second year in a row, basically giving up before the season even starts, likely puts you in a scenario where you're treadmilling just outside the playoffs for 5 years or more. As it stands, the Bulls could still be players in free agency next offseason. Even for two max contracts, they'd just need to find somebody willing to take on Rondo and McDermott, and they'd need to find a taker for Rondo if Westbrook was coming anyway, because those two guys on the same team would be a terrible idea. It's a lot easier to sell stars on a winning team than it is on a losing one. And I'm not saying the Bulls are necessarily a winning team, but they'd have been much worse if they didn't sign players to multi-year deals this offseason.

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... I'm not saying the Bulls are necessarily a winning team, but they'd have been much worse if they didn't sign players to multi-year deals this offseason.

Oh but you should -- they could flirt with 50 wins. I wonder whether people really appreciate how good Rondo is.

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... I'm not saying the Bulls are necessarily a winning team, but they'd have been much worse if they didn't sign players to multi-year deals this offseason.

Oh but you should -- they could flirt with 50 wins. I wonder whether people really appreciate how good Rondo is.

No they don't. I think he's a top 3 pure PG--probably the best passer in the game, or 2nd to Chris Paul.

If you read the General Board, it seems like the consensus is that he sucks.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Oh but you should -- they could flirt with 50 wins. I wonder whether people really appreciate how good Rondo is.

Well, I certainly don't appreciate it, I guess. He's alright, but his assists and rebounds overstate his impact quite a bit. He turns the ball over way too much, is really inefficient, is useless off the ball and isn't a reliable team defender even though as an individual defender he's alright owing to his athleticism. Not a useless player or anything - he's functional - but not a gamechanger. Unless you mean at having a strained relationship with his coach. Rondo is really good at that.

[nate33]

Oh but you should -- they could flirt with 50 wins. I wonder whether people really appreciate how good Rondo is.

Well, I certainly don't appreciate it, I guess. He's alright, but his assists and rebounds overstate his impact quite a bit. He turns the ball over way too much, is really inefficient, is useless off the ball and isn't a reliable team defender even though as an individual defender he's alright owing to his athleticism. Not a useless player or anything - he's functional - but not a gamechanger. Unless you mean at having a strained relationship with his coach. Rondo is really good at that.

I agree.

Rondo puts up good assists and rebounds, but his complete inability to his from outside of 3 feet really makes him easy to defend. Just go under all the screens and dare him to shoot. There's a reason why he has had a negative on/off differential every year since 2012. In the modern spread offenses, he is a liability. He couldn't even make the lowly Kings better when he was on the floor.

The issue will only be worse on a Chicago team that lacks perimeter shooting from the SG position.

[dckingsfan]

I think that if Rondo were on the floor with Butler, McDermott, Mirotic and Portis, he would be pretty effective. Rondo with Wade, Butler, Gibson and Lopez, not so much... but we will see.

[montestewart]

Blazers match Nets $75 million offer for Crabbe. Was Nets offer payback for the Gerald Wallace trade?

[closg00]

Fricking new the Larry Sanders could be enticed out of retirement, to GSW or the Cavs supposedly. Nice scam to get out of playing for the Bucks.

[verbal8]

Fricking new the Larry Sanders could be enticed out of retirement, to GSW or the Cavs supposedly. Nice scam to get out of playing for the Bucks.

It will be interesting to see the structure of his contract if he does come back. From his perspective chasing a ring for a season or two and then getting a big deal. I could see a scenario where he ends up like Rondo - getting relatively large deals, but for a short duration.

I think the Nets might be a potential destination if he looks ready to play. They have about $30 million in cap space due to restricted free agents being matched.

[FAH1223]

Fricking new the Larry Sanders could be enticed out of retirement, to GSW or the Cavs supposedly. Nice scam to get out of playing for the Bucks.

It will be interesting to see the structure of his contract if he does come back. From his perspective chasing a ring for a season or two and then getting a big deal. I could see a scenario where he ends up like Rondo - getting relatively large deals, but for a short duration.

I think the Nets might be a potential destination if he looks ready to play. They have about $30 million in cap space due to restricted free agents being matched.

He's still getting paid by Milwaukee.

I'd go ring chase for the minimum.

[verbal8]

Fricking new the Larry Sanders could be enticed out of retirement, to GSW or the Cavs supposedly. Nice scam to get out of playing for the Bucks.

It will be interesting to see the structure of his contract if he does come back. From his perspective chasing a ring for a season or two and then getting a big deal. I could see a scenario where he ends up like Rondo - getting relatively large deals, but for a short duration.

I think the Nets might be a potential destination if he looks ready to play. They have about $30 million in cap space due to restricted free agents being matched.

He's still getting paid by Milwaukee.

I'd go ring chase for the minimum.

The payment from Milwaukee is spread as a cap hit - although that doesn't necessarily mean it was paid out that way.

It does look like the Nets have found a new target for their cap space. This seems like a contract that could be a bad one as soon as it is signed:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242799/Nets-Considering-Pursuit-Of-Dion-Waiters

[LyricalRico]

Any thoughts on the Harden renegotiation? It's not just an extension, but he's getting over $20M in new money over the final 2 years of his existing deal. From what I can tell, he didn't have an ETO so they really didn't have to do anything now. Did they just figure they had to get to the salary floor and would rather pay more for a guy they already had than sign somebody out of the FA's that are left?

[Dark Faze]

Any thoughts on the Harden renegotiation? It's not just an extension, but he's getting over $20M in new money over the final 2 years of his existing deal. From what I can tell, he didn't have an ETO so they really didn't have to do anything now. Did they just figure they had to get to the salary floor and would rather pay more for a guy they already had than sign somebody out of the FA's that are left?

think it has something to do with him lining things up so his next big contract will be when he's a 10 year vet to maximize his earnings

[FAH1223]

Tim Duncan retires. No quote, nothing. Woj says there'll be a presser.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/spurs/status/752502524851007488[/tweet]

[LyricalRico]

Any thoughts on the Harden renegotiation? It's not just an extension, but he's getting over $20M in new money over the final 2 years of his existing deal. From what I can tell, he didn't have an ETO so they really didn't have to do anything now. Did they just figure they had to get to the salary floor and would rather pay more for a guy they already had than sign somebody out of the FA's that are left?

think it has something to do with him lining things up so his next big contract will be when he's a 10 year vet to maximize his earnings

Oh I get it from Harden's perspective. I'm just confused as to Houston's motivation. They could have waited until next summer when he would have had 1 year left (making him eligible for a regular extension) and just added 2 more years at that point. It would have accomplished the same timeline. But why add more money now to his existing deal?

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Tim Duncan retires. No quote, nothing. Woj says there'll be a presser.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/spurs/status/752502524851007488[/tweet]

GOAT PF

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/752508514401005570[/tweet]

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/752532301959933952[/tweet]

Wow.

The poor balls of whoever he assaulted (Allegedly).

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Oh but you should -- they could flirt with 50 wins. I wonder whether people really appreciate how good Rondo is.

Well, I certainly don't appreciate it, I guess. He's alright, but his assists and rebounds overstate his impact quite a bit. He turns the ball over way too much, is really inefficient, is useless off the ball and isn't a reliable team defender even though as an individual defender he's alright owing to his athleticism. Not a useless player or anything - he's functional - but not a gamechanger. Unless you mean at having a strained relationship with his coach. Rondo is really good at that.

I agree.

Rondo puts up good assists and rebounds, but his complete inability to his from outside of 3 feet really makes him easy to defend. Just go under all the screens and dare him to shoot. There's a reason why he has had a negative on/off differential every year since 2012. In the modern spread offenses, he is a liability. He couldn't even make the lowly Kings better when he was on the floor.

The issue will only be worse on a Chicago team that lacks perimeter shooting from the SG position.

Fair enough. I said the Bulls might flirt w/ 50 wins, and AFM agreed (at least w/ my assessment of Rondo). If they flirt w/ 50 wins (and Rondo plays big minutes), will that mean that AFM & I are right?

[Dark Faze]

Any thoughts on the Harden renegotiation? It's not just an extension, but he's getting over $20M in new money over the final 2 years of his existing deal. From what I can tell, he didn't have an ETO so they really didn't have to do anything now. Did they just figure they had to get to the salary floor and would rather pay more for a guy they already had than sign somebody out of the FA's that are left?

think it has something to do with him lining things up so his next big contract will be when he's a 10 year vet to maximize his earnings

Oh I get it from Harden's perspective. I'm just confused as to Houston's motivation. They could have waited until next summer when he would have had 1 year left (making him eligible for a regular extension) and just added 2 more years at that point. It would have accomplished the same timeline. But why add more money now to his existing deal?

well with how bad things have gone in houston getting any extra time with him would be a win for them