The 2016 Offseason Thread

[lilfishi22]

I'm not seeing a downside to trying to sign Troy Williams. If he develops a jump shot he will be good.

An athletic wing with potential and no jumpshot? I think we already have one of those don't we?

I wouldn't call it "no jumpshot"...more of a "developing jumpshot"...he shot 35% on 2 atts/gm last year at Indiana, and shoots about 70-75% from the FT line.

Shooting is supposed to be fixable at the NBA level, yes? Well, he's a nice two-way wing with decent size, hustle, and handles, and appears fairly fearless. I'd love to stick him at the end of the bench, or sign him to DL, and see how he develops over a season or two. 6'7" 220 is a nice size with a Max Vert of 36", great lane agility time, slightly below avg 3/4 sprint/shuttle times.

Anyway, I like guys with heart and who are not afraid to mix-it-up with the competition...how do you not root for a guy like that over other guys like Alec Brown or Kuric who might be able to shoot, but offer little else.

He made 14/15 FTs yesterday; if he's willing to drive and take the hard fouls, and can shoot like that from the FT line, he'd be a great guy to put on garbage time this season and take advantage of other teams' garbage-time players.

Look at the 3 games he started; pretty nice stats, and we all saw how active and strong he was on the floor.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/players/sl_troy_williams/

I don't mind giving the kid a chance. But the fact is, we already have an athletic wing with the same issues and we only have so much development resources and playing time to go around. One of them will suffer.

[lilfishi22]

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I know that he is on the downside of his career, but I love to have Leandrinho back.

[saintEscaton]

I don't think Troy's getting the benefit of those ticky tacky calls outside of Summer League, he as it his worst when asked to put the ball on the deck in a creator role and is a boneheaded cruncthime decision maker, was often in Crean's doghouse. I hope we find a way to draft OG Anunoby tho he is already a superior defender than third year Troy as a true freshman and will show out in his place

[kennydorglas]

Who's ready to give Alex Len an Andre Drummomd contract next summer?

Oh God. pls no

[saintEscaton]

Give that man the max

[JTrain]

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[bwgood77]

An athletic wing with potential and no jumpshot? I think we already have one of those don't we?

I wouldn't call it "no jumpshot"...more of a "developing jumpshot"...he shot 35% on 2 atts/gm last year at Indiana, and shoots about 70-75% from the FT line.

Shooting is supposed to be fixable at the NBA level, yes? Well, he's a nice two-way wing with decent size, hustle, and handles, and appears fairly fearless. I'd love to stick him at the end of the bench, or sign him to DL, and see how he develops over a season or two. 6'7" 220 is a nice size with a Max Vert of 36", great lane agility time, slightly below avg 3/4 sprint/shuttle times.

Anyway, I like guys with heart and who are not afraid to mix-it-up with the competition...how do you not root for a guy like that over other guys like Alec Brown or Kuric who might be able to shoot, but offer little else.

He made 14/15 FTs yesterday; if he's willing to drive and take the hard fouls, and can shoot like that from the FT line, he'd be a great guy to put on garbage time this season and take advantage of other teams' garbage-time players.

Look at the 3 games he started; pretty nice stats, and we all saw how active and strong he was on the floor.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/players/sl_troy_williams/

I don't mind giving the kid a chance. But the fact is, we already have an athletic wing with the same issues and we only have so much development resources and playing time to go around. One of them will suffer.

Who are you talking about when you say we already have an athletic wing with no jumpshot?

[saintEscaton]

Archie "Is that MJ's Son" Goodwin?

[Jdiddy701]

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Where'd you see that picture? I like it. Let's make it happen now.


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[Frank Lee]

Yup, every team needs a guy they can put in during meaningless minutes to mop up the other guys playing meaningless minutes. Is there a 'garbage time ' stat show his dominance? Its pretty sad when you create and fill a roster need by anticipating blow outs.


Pass except for a Dleague deal if he can't get on in Europe or china. We have enough wings vying for playing time.

And how many of those 'Wings' are under 25?? Not counting Booker, who needs to stay at SG, at SF we have Duds, Tucker, and Warren. So yeah, a young Wing would be nice to have, especially I Duds gets most of his minutes at PF...that leaves Warren and Tucker, and MAYBE Bender, but let's face it, Bender is non-traditional. I'm talking more about the traditional sense.

So, you are saying, then, that you would be opposed to signing him over, say Jenkins or keeping Goodwin?? Were you not impressed with what Williams did in SL?? Just curious.

I think it's definitely worth signing him. Heck, he will have a million dollar contract or less. It's not like you have much to lose. I don't know if you can do a one year deal with two team option years after that, but it's not like we are so loaded with talent we're not sure where he could fit.

We have 13 guys inked up. Not counting Jenkins or AWilliams. Can only have 15. I give a bigwhoopteedo on summer league accomplishments/failures/average performances.... isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I don't think the Big Sauce will be anything more than common ketchup. I am not familiar with Jenkins' game as I probably didn't watch more than 2 full games in the last 50. The other Williams ? Stash him in the D for safe keeping if you are that impressed. We have enough 'moppers' as is.

[Jdiddy701]

I still think the Suns should go after Cousins. Bender, Len and Archie might be enough, throw in knight too.


Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cousins
Chandler




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[bwgood77]

And how many of those 'Wings' are under 25?? Not counting Booker, who needs to stay at SG, at SF we have Duds, Tucker, and Warren. So yeah, a young Wing would be nice to have, especially I Duds gets most of his minutes at PF...that leaves Warren and Tucker, and MAYBE Bender, but let's face it, Bender is non-traditional. I'm talking more about the traditional sense.

So, you are saying, then, that you would be opposed to signing him over, say Jenkins or keeping Goodwin?? Were you not impressed with what Williams did in SL?? Just curious.

I think it's definitely worth signing him. Heck, he will have a million dollar contract or less. It's not like you have much to lose. I don't know if you can do a one year deal with two team option years after that, but it's not like we are so loaded with talent we're not sure where he could fit.

We have 13 guys inked up. Not counting Jenkins or AWilliams. Can only have 15. I give a bigwhoopteedo on summer league accomplishments/failures/average performances.... isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I don't think the Big Sauce will be anything more than common ketchup. I am not familiar with Jenkins' game as I probably didn't watch more than 2 full games in the last 50. The other Williams ? Stash him in the D for safe keeping if you are that impressed. We have enough 'moppers' as is.

I'd get rid of Archie in that case.

[rsavaj]

Guarantee Big Sauce, don't guarantee Jenkins, sign Troy Williams, move Archie for a pick

Bledsoe/Ulis
Knight/Booker/Barbosa
Tucker/Warren/TWilliams
Dudley/Bender/Chriss
Chandler/Len/AWilliams

Hooray.

[jcsunsfan]

And how many of those 'Wings' are under 25?? Not counting Booker, who needs to stay at SG, at SF we have Duds, Tucker, and Warren. So yeah, a young Wing would be nice to have, especially I Duds gets most of his minutes at PF...that leaves Warren and Tucker, and MAYBE Bender, but let's face it, Bender is non-traditional. I'm talking more about the traditional sense.

So, you are saying, then, that you would be opposed to signing him over, say Jenkins or keeping Goodwin?? Were you not impressed with what Williams did in SL?? Just curious.

I think it's definitely worth signing him. Heck, he will have a million dollar contract or less. It's not like you have much to lose. I don't know if you can do a one year deal with two team option years after that, but it's not like we are so loaded with talent we're not sure where he could fit.

We have 13 guys inked up. Not counting Jenkins or AWilliams. Can only have 15. I give a bigwhoopteedo on summer league accomplishments/failures/average performances.... isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I don't think the Big Sauce will be anything more than common ketchup. I am not familiar with Jenkins' game as I probably didn't watch more than 2 full games in the last 50. The other Williams ? Stash him in the D for safe keeping if you are that impressed. We have enough 'moppers' as is.

Not sure what to say. Lots of stuff happened in those last 50 games.

[lilfishi22]

I wouldn't call it "no jumpshot"...more of a "developing jumpshot"...he shot 35% on 2 atts/gm last year at Indiana, and shoots about 70-75% from the FT line.

Shooting is supposed to be fixable at the NBA level, yes? Well, he's a nice two-way wing with decent size, hustle, and handles, and appears fairly fearless. I'd love to stick him at the end of the bench, or sign him to DL, and see how he develops over a season or two. 6'7" 220 is a nice size with a Max Vert of 36", great lane agility time, slightly below avg 3/4 sprint/shuttle times.

Anyway, I like guys with heart and who are not afraid to mix-it-up with the competition...how do you not root for a guy like that over other guys like Alec Brown or Kuric who might be able to shoot, but offer little else.

He made 14/15 FTs yesterday; if he's willing to drive and take the hard fouls, and can shoot like that from the FT line, he'd be a great guy to put on garbage time this season and take advantage of other teams' garbage-time players.

Look at the 3 games he started; pretty nice stats, and we all saw how active and strong he was on the floor.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2016/players/sl_troy_williams/

I don't mind giving the kid a chance. But the fact is, we already have an athletic wing with the same issues and we only have so much development resources and playing time to go around. One of them will suffer.

Who are you talking about when you say we already have an athletic wing with no jumpshot?

Archie

[lilfishi22]

I think it's definitely worth signing him. Heck, he will have a million dollar contract or less. It's not like you have much to lose. I don't know if you can do a one year deal with two team option years after that, but it's not like we are so loaded with talent we're not sure where he could fit.

We have 13 guys inked up. Not counting Jenkins or AWilliams. Can only have 15. I give a bigwhoopteedo on summer league accomplishments/failures/average performances.... isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I don't think the Big Sauce will be anything more than common ketchup. I am not familiar with Jenkins' game as I probably didn't watch more than 2 full games in the last 50. The other Williams ? Stash him in the D for safe keeping if you are that impressed. We have enough 'moppers' as is.

I'd get rid of Archie in that case.

That's the decision I was alluding to. Either you keep Archie and try and give it one last shot at fixing his jumper and trying to get some consistent productivity from him or you move him and bring in a new experiment in this Troy Williams, who I'm not overly impressed with but am willing to give him a fair go. I just don't think it's productive to have two wings, both fighting for garbage minutes and neither having the consistent jumpshot to fit in the modern NBA.

[bwgood77]

I don't mind giving the kid a chance. But the fact is, we already have an athletic wing with the same issues and we only have so much development resources and playing time to go around. One of them will suffer.

Who are you talking about when you say we already have an athletic wing with no jumpshot?

Archie

Oh, I never really considered him a wing since he as a pg in college and wasn't sure which guard position he was suited to play now, if any.

[lilfishi22]

I don't consider him a PG at all. Right now with his skill set, he's more of a wing than anything

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Guarantee Big Sauce, don't guarantee Jenkins, sign Troy Williams, move Archie for a pick

Bledsoe/Ulis
Knight/Booker/Barbosa
Tucker/Warren/TWilliams
Dudley/Bender/Chriss
Chandler/Len/AWilliams

Hooray.

Can anyone point to a pair of starting forwards in this league as offensively anemic as PJ Tucker and Jared Dudley?

...

No? Then why do people keeping thinking they'll start?

[TeamTragic]

Who's ready to give Alex Len an Andre Drummomd contract next summer?

Oh God. pls no