Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

Post #1001 » by **KingDavid** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:54 am

HeatFanDan wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
HeatFanDan wrote:Damn, KD, you late bruh. lol

I drink.

A lot.

To cope with our awesome offseason?

Yes.

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #1002 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:28 am

KingDavid wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Com on now, y'all know I didn't mean Jew... I wouldn't even know

C'mon now

Cmon_Son

Post #1003 » by **QUIZ** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:15 am

Too much offseason.

PizzaLord305 · Post #1004 » by **PizzaLord305** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:45 am

I like how Riles was all like tj, jrich, justise, whiteside in a 4 on 4 tourny who wanna bet money?

Rapaz · Post #1005 » by **Rapaz** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:04 am

Bishop45 wrote:Com on now, y'all know I didn't mean Jew... I wouldn't even know

C'mon now

Myam333 · Post #1006 » by **Myam333** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:15 am

Bishop45 wrote:Com on now, y'all know I didn't mean Jew... I wouldn't even know

C'mon now

Post #1007 » by **IggieCC** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:15 am

Bishop45 wrote:Com on now, y'all know I didn't mean Jew... I wouldn't even know

C'mon now

PizzaLord305 · Post #1008 » by **PizzaLord305** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:35 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754375025046814720[/tweet]

Zach Lowe or David Thorpe, cant remember, suggested this last season, and so far, its the alternative i like best to the current system. Gives small market or rebuilding teams the ability to outbid more established teams for a true franchise player.

PizzaLord305 · Post #1009 » by **PizzaLord305** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:37 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754367983099715584[/tweet]

and yeah that boi micky representin out here putting his foot down like naw bruh not bumpy j

Mos_Heat · Post #1010 » by **Mos_Heat** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:06 pm

PizzaLord305 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754375025046814720[/tweet]

Zach Lowe or David Thorpe, cant remember, suggested this last season, and so far, its the alternative i like best to the current system. Gives small market or rebuilding teams the ability to outbid more established teams for a true franchise player.

It was Stein

PizzaLord305 · Post #1011 » by **PizzaLord305** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:14 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:
PizzaLord305 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754375025046814720[/tweet]

Zach Lowe or David Thorpe, cant remember, suggested this last season, and so far, its the alternative i like best to the current system. Gives small market or rebuilding teams the ability to outbid more established teams for a true franchise player.

It was Stein

True, I think its a solid idea. I just hope there isnt a crazy overreaction by owners in the cba negotiations that harms the product cause theyre salty over the warriors adding KD and stuff.

Post #1012 » by **KingDavid** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:12 pm

PizzaLord305 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754367983099715584[/tweet]

and yeah that boi micky representin out here putting his foot down like naw bruh not bumpy j

No, it can't just be whatever a team wants to pay because la and NY could easily get the best basketball player in the NBA with the money those teams in that market make.

It would have to be an agreed upon, mandatory amount and it would have to come from league profits. It would need to be significantly higher than the current maximum contract. Make 50%-75% of the mandatory max count against the salary cap. (For example; if the agreed upon amount is $50 million for the mandatory max, it will only count as $25 million against the cap). Alternatively, they can introduce fixed percentage salaries (limited number of players per team at certain groups of percentages) and lower the maximum while increasing the lower (vet minimum) salary. It wouldn't really hurt the people with max contracts because they'd be able to get that mandatory max from any team. Don't let rookie contracts count against the salary cap. Throw in a hard cap and voila. You have increased the importance of the d-league by making rookie contracts having no weight on the salary cap, kost, if not every team will have a top talent to keep selling tickets, parity will finally arrive, and the overall pay for the average player increases.

There's so many holes here. Someone pick em out.

NBADraft2003 · Post #1013 » by **NBADraft2003** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:21 pm

PizzaLord305 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
PizzaLord305 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Manny_Navarro/status/754375025046814720[/tweet]

Zach Lowe or David Thorpe, cant remember, suggested this last season, and so far, its the alternative i like best to the current system. Gives small market or rebuilding teams the ability to outbid more established teams for a true franchise player.

It was Stein

True, I think its a solid idea. I just hope there isnt a crazy overreaction by owners in the cba negotiations that harms the product cause theyre salty over the warriors adding KD and stuff.

Teams already have that advantage of offering more money to their own free agents that they have bird rights on. It's not other team's faults for incompetent management. The owners already overreacted to us adding the Big 3 in the 2011 negotiations, they will to this. OKC lost KD with their cheap ways, didn't want to spend much until KD is about to become a free agent while they have one of the richest owners in the NBA who is also one of the richest in the world. I've seen OKC fans say that the CBA cost them Harden, no it didn't. If your owner didn't want to pay Harden to keep Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Ibaka together, then you deserve to lose them. There's no doubt Westbrook is gone next...

A little story about KD-Russ after the 2011 playoffs, KD was about to ask for Russell to be traded but backed off to try and make that work. Don't know if that Rondo/Green for Westbrook/Perkins trade had anything to do with that though.

Post #1014 » by **KingDavid** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:36 pm

NBADraft2003 wrote:
PizzaLord305 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:It was Stein

True, I think its a solid idea. I just hope there isnt a crazy overreaction by owners in the cba negotiations that harms the product cause theyre salty over the warriors adding KD and stuff.

Teams already have that advantage of offering more money to their own free agents that they have bird rights on. It's not other team's faults for incompetent management. The owners already overreacted to us adding the Big 3 in the 2011 negotiations, they will to this. OKC lost KD with their cheap ways, didn't want to spend much until KD is about to become a free agent while they have one of the richest owners in the NBA who is also one of the richest in the world. I've seen OKC fans say that the CBA cost them Harden, no it didn't. If your owner didn't want to pay Harden to keep Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Ibaka together, then you deserve to lose them. There's no doubt Westbrook is gone next...

A little story about KD-Russ after the 2011 playoffs, KD was about to ask for Russell to be traded but backed off to try and make that work. Don't know if that Rondo/Green for Westbrook/Perkins trade had anything to do with that though.

What? Bird rights? Kd just turned down his bird rights to join the warriors. If you make an agreed upon max for every team and have it come from profits and not count the full dollar amount against the cap, more small market teams will have and keep their stars. This isn't an overreaction. Small market teams are suffering without a top talent. Cavs just went and bought a chip. Look at how high they were above the cap. No small market could sensibly afford that. Lebron nets that city over 1 billion. And thats before he won there. That has to stop. Or else owners are just going to start buying finals appearances the way the Cavs did, and the way the Warriors will. We weren't even that high over the cap during our run.

It is favorable when it is your team that is doing the winning though. So I don't put any fault or shame on Cavs or gsw or any of our fans who would not invite that level of change. But I feel for the small market fans who never get to taste that level of success.

NBADraft2003 · Post #1015 » by **NBADraft2003** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:03 pm

KingDavid wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:
PizzaLord305 wrote:
True, I think its a solid idea. I just hope there isnt a crazy overreaction by owners in the cba negotiations that harms the product cause theyre salty over the warriors adding KD and stuff.

Teams already have that advantage of offering more money to their own free agents that they have bird rights on. It's not other team's faults for incompetent management. The owners already overreacted to us adding the Big 3 in the 2011 negotiations, they will to this. OKC lost KD with their cheap ways, didn't want to spend much until KD is about to become a free agent while they have one of the richest owners in the NBA who is also one of the richest in the world. I've seen OKC fans say that the CBA cost them Harden, no it didn't. If your owner didn't want to pay Harden to keep Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Ibaka together, then you deserve to lose them. There's no doubt Westbrook is gone next...

A little story about KD-Russ after the 2011 playoffs, KD was about to ask for Russell to be traded but backed off to try and make that work. Don't know if that Rondo/Green for Westbrook/Perkins trade had anything to do with that though.

What? Bird rights? Kd just turned down his bird rights to join the warriors. If you make an agreed upon max for every team and have it come from profits and not count the full dollar amount against the cap, more small market teams will have and keep their stars. This isn't an overreaction. Small market teams are suffering without a top talent. Cavs just went and bought a chip. Look at how high they were above the cap. No small market could sensibly afford that. Lebron nets that city over 1 billion. And thats before he won there. That has to stop. Or else owners are just going to start buying finals appearances the way the Cavs did, and the way the Warriors will. We weren't even that high over the cap during our run.

It is favorable when it is your team that is doing the winning though. So I don't put any fault or shame on Cavs or gsw or any of our fans who would not invite that level of change. But I feel for the small market fans who never get to taste that level of success.

Winning>incompetence. It annoys the hell out of me when teams control where a player goes, it's a problem when that player has that control though. For example, the Ray Allen/Boston situation. They had been trying to trade him since he got there and they did actually trade him but the deal fell through. He became a free agent, the Celtics wanted to throw in a NTC to try to erase what damage they already created then he signed with us. There's never been that parity in the NBA that folks are out here claiming. Why does having to spend money for a winning team stop? Just spend wisely, the Cavs can't do that because LeBron has that over their heads. KD spent his first 9 NBA seasons in OKC, that's a long ass time. He didn't win an NBA Championship there so he moved on. This isn't like he refused to live and play there after his rookie scale contract was up. He signed for an additional five years. Who cares how you win championships? There's only two ways you can build championship teams: Free Agency/Trades or Drafting.

HIF · Post #1016 » by **HIF** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:34 pm

How much do Milwaukee want rid of Monroe?

Monroe and AnteKo for Dragic and McRob.

RexBoyWonder · Post #1017 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:02 pm

HIF wrote:How much do Milwaukee want rid of Monroe?

Monroe and AnteKo for Dragic and McRob.

Myam333 · Post #1018 » by **Myam333** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:03 pm

HIF wrote:How much do Milwaukee want rid of Monroe?

Monroe and AnteKo for Dragic and McRob.

Not that much

contract · Post #1019 » by **contract** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:13 pm

Anytime you allow off-cap spending, it's going to hurt small market teams.

RexBoyWonder · Post #1020 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:19 pm

Q: Is this Erik Spoelstra’s year? The year he really has to prove himself? The year he doesn’t have to placate a superstar? The year he runs his offense te way he wants, up and down the court, with speed and ball movement? No more iso-ball? -- Yunasi, Miami Beach

A: First, Erik Spoelstra doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. He has coached championship rosters to championships, developmental rosters to the playoffs, and last season's mixed bag to a No. 4 playoff seed and within one game of the Eastern Conference finals. But I do believe this could be the first time that Spoelstra will have the opportunity to truly put his stamp on a team. When he arrived, he still was working in the shadows of Pat Riley. After those two seasons, it was about setting up what essentially stood as LeBron James' team. From there it was two seasons of being unable to finish what he had started with Chris Bosh. This season, you could see something close to what Brad Stevens has produced with the Celtics, or even what Terry Stotts produced last season with the Trail Blazers. In both of those situations, the pressure was down but the possibilities were pronounced. I do agreed that we might get a truer read on Erik Spoelstra this season than we have previously.

Well, let's see what's Spo got up his sleeve.

I don't think the Blazers have a talent advantage over us honestly, they just played the perfect style for them and maximized their players.