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[j-ragg]

The guy was chasing stats because he had never made squat by NBA standards prior to this offseason when he got $100m.

Thats why he came out and said I want my deal done in a day

So you think he'll all of a sudden stop caring about defense cus he got his contract?

I feel like some people think this is Jerome James 2.0. It isn't. We have two seasons of stats that this guy is the real deal. Elite rebounder and defender.

[Orlwillbeback]

The guy was chasing stats because he had never made squat by NBA standards prior to this offseason when he got $100m.

Thats why he came out and said I want my deal done in a day

So you think he'll all of a sudden stop caring about defense cus he got his contract?

I feel like some people think this is Jerome James 2.0. It isn't. We have two seasons of stats that this guy is the real deal. Elite rebounder and defender.

No I am actually debating more in your favor. I like Whiteside. You should read the context of my comment because I was responding to Blue and Whte who said he is not good for all the common cookie cutter reasons someone would normally give to justify saying a guy with a 7 9 wingspan, 7 feet tall and averages 5 blocks per 40 isnt a good defender lol.

[basketballRob]

The guy was chasing stats because he had never made squat by NBA standards prior to this offseason when he got $100m.

Thats why he came out and said I want my deal done in a day

So you think he'll all of a sudden stop caring about defense cus he got his contract?

I feel like some people think this is Jerome James 2.0. It isn't. We have two seasons of stats that this guy is the real deal. Elite rebounder and defender.

No I am actually debating more in your favor. I like Whiteside. You should read the context of my comment because I was responding to Blue and Whte who said he is not good for all the common cookie cutter reasons someone would normally give to justify saying a guy with a 7 9 wingspan, 7 feet tall and averages 5 blocks per 40 isnt a good defender lol.

His wingspan is the same as Biyombo's 7'7".

[j-ragg]

The guy was chasing stats because he had never made squat by NBA standards prior to this offseason when he got $100m.

Thats why he came out and said I want my deal done in a day

So you think he'll all of a sudden stop caring about defense cus he got his contract?

I feel like some people think this is Jerome James 2.0. It isn't. We have two seasons of stats that this guy is the real deal. Elite rebounder and defender.

No I am actually debating more in your favor. I like Whiteside. You should read the context of my comment because I was responding to Blue and Whte who said he is not good for all the common cookie cutter reasons someone would normally give to justify saying a guy with a 7 9 wingspan, 7 feet tall and averages 5 blocks per 40 isnt a good defender lol.

Read too quick. My bad.

[Xatticus]

Towns is a rookie and Nik owned Whiteside. Give it time. I'm not on that bus and likely never will be. I think he's a fools gold and the only thing I look forward to is watching the Heat fall out of the PO's with him as their starting center. Guys like that have to have at least one elite wing player to be effective. Those guys aren't taking teams deep into the po's alone its a combination of that and the previously mentioned elite wing.

I agree with the notion that he's not good enough by himself to take a team deep into the playoffs by himself. No player in the league is except for Lebron.

I still think he is better than Towns and Vuc tho.

I've seen one season of Towns so I don't think I can agree with you just yet. Whiteside can certainly rebound and block shots better than Nik, he has the tools to elevate a team. I think the issue is his attitude, and his only desire is to put personal stats ahead of helping his team win. Two red flags, first of all he came off the bench, and secondly his team was worse on defense when he was on the floor, I don't care how small people think it was. I think he's a great shot blocker, not defender, and there is a difference. Hopefully he figures it out because it would be a massive waste of talent.

I think this is cherry-picking a particular fact and misinterpreting its relevance. The differential was very small and Miami was still a very good defensive team when he was on the floor, even if they were just as good when he wasn't. I think this raises some questions about what made Miami a good defensive team, but I really don't think it can be used to argue that Whiteside isn't a good defender.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I agree with the notion that he's not good enough by himself to take a team deep into the playoffs by himself. No player in the league is except for Lebron.

I still think he is better than Towns and Vuc tho.

I've seen one season of Towns so I don't think I can agree with you just yet. Whiteside can certainly rebound and block shots better than Nik, he has the tools to elevate a team. I think the issue is his attitude, and his only desire is to put personal stats ahead of helping his team win. Two red flags, first of all he came off the bench, and secondly his team was worse on defense when he was on the floor, I don't care how small people think it was. I think he's a great shot blocker, not defender, and there is a difference. Hopefully he figures it out because it would be a massive waste of talent.

I think this is cherry-picking a particular fact and misinterpreting its relevance. The differential was very small and Miami was still a very good defensive team when he was on the floor, even if they were just as good when he wasn't. I think this raises some questions about what made Miami a good defensive team, but I really don't think it can be used to argue that Whiteside isn't a good defender.

Its neither misinterpreting nor cherry picking. I never said he's not a good defender I said he's not a great defender which some are portraying him to be, THATS the actual misinterpretation happening. If he were great then his team would've been better, not worse, defensively. I guess I could've said he's not as impactful as some make him out to be.

[Orlwillbeback]

I actually think Whiteside being there is the reason Wade left Miami tbh. I think Wade became uncomfortable being around a player who was at least as talented or even more talented than he was, who at the same time was a complete bully, POS cancerous personality.

Sure Wade felt alright baving Lebron there, but Lebron is the ultimate example of a team first guy who does whats best for the team all the time.

Now that Whiteside finally got paid, I feel he could start to relax a bit and stop being so negative, but I could be wrong.

[nicolcm]

Unfortunately, think the write nailed down the Magic's position. Would loved to be proven wrong, but man I have no idea what we're doing. Main problem is our starting PG is a throw back to the late 90's/early 2000's when NBA talent was an all time low.

We have a PF and Center that don't really compliment each other, and our starting SF is a tweener.

My biggest fear is we're stuck on 35 wins for the next 5 years.

[SOUL]

lul

[Blue_and_Whte]

Unfortunately, think the write nailed down the Magic's position. Would loved to be proven wrong, but man I have no idea what we're doing. Main problem is our starting PG is a throw back to the late 90's/early 2000's when NBA talent was an all time low.

We have a PF and Center that don't really compliment each other, and our starting SF is a tweener.

My biggest fear is we're stuck on 35 wins for the next 5 years.

What?

[Xatticus]

I actually think Whiteside being there is the reason Wade left Miami tbh. I think Wade became uncomfortable being around a player who was at least as talented or even more talented than he was, who at the same time was a complete bully, POS cancerous personality.

Sure Wade felt alright baving Lebron there, but Lebron is the ultimate example of a team first guy who does whats best for the team all the time.

Now that Whiteside finally got paid, I feel he could start to relax a bit and stop being so negative, but I could be wrong.

I just don't know where all of this stuff about Whiteside is coming from. I've heard about it for a while, but absolutely nothing on the specifics of where he got this reputation. I'm very curious as to why these rumors persist.

As for Wade leaving, I think he simply drew a line in the sand and a few other teams threw some desperation cash his way. I think Riley knows that Wade is no longer a special player, but was willing to overpay to appease a franchise legend. That only goes so far and Riley isn't a fool. Everything else being equal, I think Miami is a better team for letting him go next year. Wade is in rapid decline and it's fairly unreasonable to expect him to perform at even the level he did last year. The lack of a legitimate replacement for Deng should be a much bigger concern for them. Deng and Stoudamire gave the Heat a lot of quality frontcourt minutes last year.

[NavalAviator94]

Unfortunately, think the write nailed down the Magic's position. Would loved to be proven wrong, but man I have no idea what we're doing. Main problem is our starting PG is a throw back to the late 90's/early 2000's when NBA talent was an all time low.

We have a PF and Center that don't really compliment each other, and our starting SF is a tweener.

My biggest fear is we're stuck on 35 wins for the next 5 years.

What?

Exactly - I'm not sure you understand fully the team we have.

If you could have picked a PF to partner with Vooch you couldn't have done much better than Ibaka. On paper(until they play together) there isn't another duo that blends offense and defense quite like the 2 of them combined.

Aaron Gordon is a Tweener at 6'9 225? The average around 6'8. If anything, Gordon was a Tweener at PF. He is not big enough to play that position to full effectiveness. Perfect for when we go small but honestly, he is built for the 3 right now.

Elf is a work in progress. I would agree in many ways he could be looked at like a throwback. Look at Kidd or Chauncey Billups and see how long it took them to become better shooters and point guards. It's the toughest position to learn and I think we'll see him take a little leap this year and if it's not enough, we'll move on.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Unfortunately, think the write nailed down the Magic's position. Would loved to be proven wrong, but man I have no idea what we're doing. Main problem is our starting PG is a throw back to the late 90's/early 2000's when NBA talent was an all time low.

We have a PF and Center that don't really compliment each other, and our starting SF is a tweener.

My biggest fear is we're stuck on 35 wins for the next 5 years.

What?

Exactly - I'm not sure you understand fully the team we have.

If you could have picked a PF to partner with Vooch you couldn't have done much better than Ibaka. On paper(until they play together) there isn't another duo that blends offense and defense quite like the 2 of them combined.

Aaron Gordon is a Tweener at 6'9 225? The average around 6'8. If anything, Gordon was a Tweener at PF. He is not big enough to play that position to full effectiveness. Perfect for when we go small but honestly, he is built for the 3 right now.

Elf is a work in progress. I would agree in many ways he could be looked at like a throwback. Look at Kidd or Chauncey Billups and see how long it took them to become better shooters and point guards. It's the toughest position to learn and I think we'll see him take a little leap this year and if it's not enough, we'll move on.

Right. A Center that can score from anywhere on the court and who's constantly double teamed because he cant be stopped in the post, its a perfect combination.
Gordon's only real struggle is guarding bigger 4's in the post which are far and few between nowadays.