2016 Official Speculation Thread: Episode V - The Preseason Strikes Back

[MagicFan101]

Problem with NBA fans in general is they still think Tobias Harris is really good and we should not have traded him and could have gotten more.

Except that when he was a free agent, barely anyone went after him and interviews with anon GMs, many stated that they are unsure if he will ever fit a true role due to his inability to guard SFs very well.

So when people criticize us for trading him for cap space I just laugh. Would you rather extend Aaron Gordon or have Tobias Harris? According to people who don't watch the Magic, Harris is better. If you watched the Magic you would probably rather retain Gordon even though Harris has put up better numbers since he has more experience.

It's annoying to read but nobody else watches Orlando. Wait until a year and then go read the Thunder mods opinions of Oladipo then. It will be fun, trust me. A lot of people are in denial about what they have or what other teams have.Then they see it in person and after a few months they accept the truth. Until then as Magic fans we simply have to hope our guys develop as we expect.

If you watch the Magic you probably know by now that Evan Fournier is a better fit for us at SG than Oladipo and Gordon is a much more talented player than Harris. Additionally we can now probably keep these guys long term since we don't have to overpay Oladipo next year and carry Harris's salary so he can come off the bench. That's going to be OKC's issue and DET's. And trust me, when it comes time to put ink to paper, their opinions will change.

Barely? Lakers, Boston and Detroit were reported to have pursued him.

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/tobias-harris-free-agency/

Also,reportedly, turned down a max offer by the Kings

Read on Twitter

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The Tobias Harris deal wasn't a matter of Aaron Gordon or Tobias Harris, it was about what we got in return. Aaron Gordon's minutes are obviously a good consolation, but come on.. lol

And looking back, if we're just going to be signing Jeff Green for almost the same amount that we signed Tobias, I'd still prefer to keep Tobias.

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

[fendilim]

Problem with NBA fans in general is they still think Tobias Harris is really good and we should not have traded him and could have gotten more.

Except that when he was a free agent, barely anyone went after him and interviews with anon GMs, many stated that they are unsure if he will ever fit a true role due to his inability to guard SFs very well.

So when people criticize us for trading him for cap space I just laugh. Would you rather extend Aaron Gordon or have Tobias Harris? According to people who don't watch the Magic, Harris is better. If you watched the Magic you would probably rather retain Gordon even though Harris has put up better numbers since he has more experience.

It's annoying to read but nobody else watches Orlando. Wait until a year and then go read the Thunder mods opinions of Oladipo then. It will be fun, trust me. A lot of people are in denial about what they have or what other teams have.Then they see it in person and after a few months they accept the truth. Until then as Magic fans we simply have to hope our guys develop as we expect.

If you watch the Magic you probably know by now that Evan Fournier is a better fit for us at SG than Oladipo and Gordon is a much more talented player than Harris. Additionally we can now probably keep these guys long term since we don't have to overpay Oladipo next year and carry Harris's salary so he can come off the bench. That's going to be OKC's issue and DET's. And trust me, when it comes time to put ink to paper, their opinions will change.

Barely? Lakers, Boston and Detroit were reported to have pursued him.

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/tobias-harris-free-agency/

Also,reportedly, turned down a max offer by the Kings

Read on Twitter

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The Tobias Harris deal wasn't a matter of Aaron Gordon or Tobias Harris, it was about what we got in return. Aaron Gordon's minutes are obviously a good consolation, but come on.. lol

And looking back, if we're just going to be signing Jeff Green for almost the same amount that we signed Tobias, I'd still prefer to keep Tobias.

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

[drsd]

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

I guess we fans can thus conclude that Harris was "traded" for Bismack Biyombo. Is that a good "trade." Hmm.


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[shadrock]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-bismack-biyombo-1001-20160930-story.html

Interesting watching the interview video at the top of this article, Biz said he was aware of the Magic trying to trade for him when he was in Charlotte.

[fendilim]

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

I guess we fans can thus conclude that Harris was "traded" for Bismack Biyombo. Is that a good "trade." Hmm.


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i still think we could have signed biz even without trading harris.

We acquired jodie meeks without giving up any salary and still able to sign biz and jg.

[zelenooq]

oh,no,he is a bust -.-

[Orlwillbeback]

Not really expecting much this year tbh.

[MagicFan101]

Barely? Lakers, Boston and Detroit were reported to have pursued him.

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/tobias-harris-free-agency/

Also,reportedly, turned down a max offer by the Kings

Read on Twitter

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The Tobias Harris deal wasn't a matter of Aaron Gordon or Tobias Harris, it was about what we got in return. Aaron Gordon's minutes are obviously a good consolation, but come on.. lol

And looking back, if we're just going to be signing Jeff Green for almost the same amount that we signed Tobias, I'd still prefer to keep Tobias.

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

Trading for cap space is part of it but parting ways with a bad fit was probably a bigger part.

Harris is a forward without a defined position who is solid in many areas, great nowhere and downright bad in others. Meanwhile we have AG and Mario as versatile forwards on rookie contracts with arguably far more potential than Harris.

You bridge the gap by bringing in a vet like Green for one year, but it's time to give more responsibility to AG and Mario.

[fendilim]

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

Trading for cap space is part of it but parting ways with a bad fit was probably a bigger part.

Harris is a forward without a defined position who is solid in many areas, great nowhere and downright bad in others. Meanwhile we have AG and Mario as versatile forwards on rookie contracts with arguably far more potential than Harris.

You bridge the gap by bringing in a vet like Green for one year, but it's time to give more responsibility to AG and Mario.

Regardless of whether he is a bad fit or not, I don't think we should have dealt him for basically nothing. Not even a second rounder??

[Orlwillbeback]

Harris was not a great player by any means and had limitations, but **** he's better than what we have now lol.

[PennytoShaq]

Barely? Lakers, Boston and Detroit were reported to have pursued him.

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/tobias-harris-free-agency/

Also,reportedly, turned down a max offer by the Kings

Read on Twitter

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The Tobias Harris deal wasn't a matter of Aaron Gordon or Tobias Harris, it was about what we got in return. Aaron Gordon's minutes are obviously a good consolation, but come on.. lol

And looking back, if we're just going to be signing Jeff Green for almost the same amount that we signed Tobias, I'd still prefer to keep Tobias.

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

You really don't get this eh? Tobias Harris has a long term contract that the Magic would rather give to a starter at some point. Yes, Jeff Green makes that but he expires in one year, and we needed a really good bench player on this team.

It's about future flexibility. The Magic can extend Gordon next season if they choose to because they will have that money and can STILL go after more free agents or just resign Ibaka. Orlando believes that Gordon is the starter. They probably believe Ibaka and Biz or Vuc are as well. They can retain this lineup now because Harris is not here and Green will not make that kind of money next season (at least from us).

You can only keep so many of your young players. Rob evaluated and chose. Many of us believe he chose wisely. That's the point.

[PennytoShaq]

Harris was not a great player by any means and had limitations, but **** he's better than what we have now lol.

This makes absolutely no sense and is not even true.

He's better than Gordon? lol, no.

Better than Ibaka? Cmon man.

[MagicFan101]

Harris was not a great player by any means and had limitations, but **** he's better than what we have now lol.

False.

[MagicStarwipe]

Harris was not a great player by any means and had limitations, but **** he's better than what we have now lol.

For reals? I can still remember him struggling to score when AG was guarding him last season when we played Detroit. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by what you see this season.

[PennytoShaq]

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

I guess we fans can thus conclude that Harris was "traded" for Bismack Biyombo. Is that a good "trade." Hmm.


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I disagree. Harris was traded so the Magic can play Gordon instead and extend him so he doesn't hit free agency.

[fendilim]

Jeff Green signed a one year deal. Harris signed a multiyear deal though 2019. You can't compare these.

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

You really don't get this eh? Tobias Harris has a long term contract that the Magic would rather give to a starter at some point. Yes, Jeff Green makes that but he expires in one year, and we needed a really good bench player on this team.

It's about future flexibility. The Magic can extend Gordon next season if they choose to because they will have that money and can STILL go after more free agents or just resign Ibaka. Orlando believes that Gordon is the starter. They probably believe Ibaka and Biz or Vuc are as well. They can retain this lineup now because Harris is not here and Green will not make that kind of money next season (at least from us).

You can only keep so many of your young players. Rob evaluated and chose. Many of us believe he chose wisely. That's the point.

We could have kept Tobias, if we're just signing him to a Jeff Green, and held up until we get an asset in return. It's not like no team is interested with him, like what you said previously.

[PennytoShaq]

Harris was not a great player by any means and had limitations, but **** he's better than what we have now lol.

For reals? I can still remember him struggling to score when AG was guarding him last season when we played Detroit. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by what you see this season.

I doubt he will. Every post he makes is negative. Just look at his last two above.

Some guys root against the team just so their internet opinion is not invalidated.

He's that guy.

[PennytoShaq]

Yes. But people were saying Harris was dealt for cap space. And they basically have almost the same effect on our cap space this year.

You really don't get this eh? Tobias Harris has a long term contract that the Magic would rather give to a starter at some point. Yes, Jeff Green makes that but he expires in one year, and we needed a really good bench player on this team.

It's about future flexibility. The Magic can extend Gordon next season if they choose to because they will have that money and can STILL go after more free agents or just resign Ibaka. Orlando believes that Gordon is the starter. They probably believe Ibaka and Biz or Vuc are as well. They can retain this lineup now because Harris is not here and Green will not make that kind of money next season (at least from us).

You can only keep so many of your young players. Rob evaluated and chose. Many of us believe he chose wisely. That's the point.

We could have kept Tobias, if we're just signing him to a Jeff Green, and held up until we get an asset in return. It's not like no team is interested with him, like what you said previously.

Ok, so you really think Rob got all these killer offers for Tobias and turned them all down? Be real about it. Rob got offers for guys on bad contracts that would have impacted our future flexibility. One reason he went for Jennings and Illy is because he could let them walk or trade them in the summer. And what happened this summer? Exactly.

He got barely any interest over his free agency summer compared to what people expected. There was no reports of him meeting with any teams, no recruitment at all. That's a fact. You won't find anything past a Kyler rumor that a few teams reached out. If you think that equates to him being traded for a star player or asset on a good contract you are kidding yourself.

[j_n]

Regardless of whether he is a bad fit or not, I don't think we should have dealt him for basically nothing. Not even a second rounder??

Maybe there was a team that was willing to throw a first rounder for him with expirings but I think Rob was focusing on the upcoming offseason and wanted to bring the right guys that will help the team make a push for the playoffs, if we were able to resemble a team thats on the verge of contention in the east maybe we could have snatched some of the top free agents.

Even if there was team willing to offer a first, Harris was having his worst season with us so it couldnt have been a lottery team, were not at a stage where were developing rookies, especially late first round rookies in a weak draft so other than claiming victory for the trade I dont know how much it would help to get minimal value for Harris at the time.

Also, I dont agree that he was traded for nothing, Jennings and Ilyasova were both vets, expirings and played in a position of need for our team last year, I dont know how many teams out there were interested in Harris, had expiring vets in a position of need and were willing to sweeten the deal in order to get a deal done for a struggling borderline starter making 16 million a year.

[EAS Law]

Not really expecting much this year tbh.

We know. You announced your departure from the boards/team at least once already because of it.

I'm not going to try to convince you to be optimistic, but what good does it do to live in a world of worst case scenario? A lot of people here are trying not to get their hopes up, sure, but I mean--what is there to really lose? You get some entertainment from watching and see the flashes of potential from our guys.

I personally believe we will make the playoffs, but if we don't, I don't see why next year or the year after isn't just as good a time to win. It's just how sports work.