Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST

vaff87 · Post #1701 » by **vaff87** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:05 am

Inevitable wrote:
BramptonYute wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:

statue if we win the WS

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This is pretty good, too.

Hoopstarr · Post #1702 » by **Hoopstarr** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:06 am

Schad wrote:
dagger wrote:
Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.

Indeed, and there is also this. Jimenez pitches to Edwin, rather than walking him intentionally. Jose is next and he's 3-38 against Ubaldo. Since only the runner on third matters, there would have been no harm in walking Edwin

I actually disagree. It would load the bases, opening up a decent chance that Ubaldo and his wildness would walk in the winning run. Which would be less of an issue if Ubaldo **** Jimenez wasn't out there.

That's the other thing: Showalter blew it three times with Ubaldo alone. 1. Bringing him in at all. 2. Leaving him in after the first hit. 3. Leaving him in after the second hit.

Post #1703 » by **Schad** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:07 am

Boogie! wrote:you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...

You need to lay down a very good bunt. That's not an easy task when you don't bunt and are facing a guy with a tricky delivery, with a hobbled runner on second. I'd lay the odds of him successfully advancing both runners well below 50/50.

Skin Blues · Post #1704 » by **Skin Blues** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:07 am

dagger wrote:
Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.

Indeed, and there is also this. Jimenez pitches to Edwin, rather than walking him intentionally. Jose is next and he's 3-38 against Ubaldo. Since only the runner on third matters, there would have been no harm in walking Edwin

Ubaldo has command issues and Jose has an incredible eye. If you walk him, it's game over. If you get behind, you need to give a fastball to avoid walking him, and that's a recipe for disaster. There's is definitely potential harm. Jose is much more likely to GIDP than Edwin, though. If only they had a pitcher that was familiar with pitching in relief and also had an elite ground ball rate. Hmmm.

v1n5anity · Post #1705 » by **v1n5anity** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:08 am

I just suddenly remembered the last regular season game at home when Edwin sat in the clubhouse possibly thinking it might be his last home game as a Blue Jay...hmmm he must've known something was up. It was against Ubaldo too and we were blanked. Maaaaan. Still can't get over the excitement of winning. It just erases somewhat the sour taste that September baseball left in my mouth. And to go up again versus a Rangers team after what Odor did to Jose. It would be fun to eliminate them again.

Post #1706 » by **JaysRule25** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:09 am

Dammit, I'm just too pumped to sleep.

Ramako · Post #1707 » by **Ramako** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:10 am

So do we hang an A.L. Wild Card Champion banner? It would feel a little odd excluding a playoff appearance from the rafters at SkyDome.

SharoneWright · Post #1708 » by **SharoneWright** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:10 am

We made the playoffs!!!!!! *moonwalk

Spicy P · Post #1709 » by **Spicy P** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:13 am

I'm too excited, I can't fall asleep

Scott Hall · Post #1710 » by **Scott Hall** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:13 am

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Post #1711 » by **Schad** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:13 am

Ramako wrote:So do we hang an A.L. Wild Card Champion banner? It would feel a little odd excluding a playoff appearance from the rafters at SkyDome.

Nah. You get a banner now, and write "2016 ALDS" on it for the time being, and fill in either "winner" or "runner-up" in a week.

pingpongrac · Post #1712 » by **pingpongrac** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:14 am

Is it Thursday yet?

duppyy · Post #1713 » by **duppyy** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:21 am

Sorry for doubting you Gibby and Stroman. You shut me up

Boogie! · Post #1714 » by **Boogie!** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:22 am

JaysRule15 wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
What makes you think Jose knows how to bunt???

you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...

You gotta remember that we had a less than healthy JD on second and EE (the slowest runner on the team on first). What if Bautista (a guy not used to bunting at all) messes the bunt up? He could easily bunt to the pitcher or close to the catcher and JD could be forced out at third. Worst case scenario could also be a double play at second and first. Having a team full of sluggers like we do really limits the stuff you can do when it comes to playing small ball.

id rather the what if scenario of messing a bunt up than the what if scenario of striking out or the what if scenario of grounding into a double play (both of which happened in that same inning.)

0 - 100 · Post #1715 » by **0 - 100** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:24 am

WOWWW

what. a. game.

just got home... place was electric.

Jose and Edwin came up clutchhhhhhhhhhh.... Stroman was solid

All pitchers were solid and finally I gotta give credit where its due; Gibby managed a great game!

On to Texas baby!!

ps. no clue what showalter was thinking not bringing out britton after o'day ...

Ramako · Post #1716 » by **Ramako** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:25 am

Schad wrote:
Ramako wrote:So do we hang an A.L. Wild Card Champion banner? It would feel a little odd excluding a playoff appearance from the rafters at SkyDome.

Nah. You get a banner now, and write "2016 ALDS" on it for the time being, and fill in either "winner" or "runner-up" in a week.

But that then raises the question of why not raise an "ALDS Winner" banner for 2015 as well, or even in place of the division banner?

Rapcity_11 · Post #1717 » by **Rapcity_11** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:27 am

Boogie! wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...

You gotta remember that we had a less than healthy JD on second and EE (the slowest runner on the team on first). What if Bautista (a guy not used to bunting at all) messes the bunt up? He could easily bunt to the pitcher or close to the catcher and JD could be forced out at third. Worst case scenario could also be a double play at second and first. Having a team full of sluggers like we do really limits the stuff you can do when it comes to playing small ball.

id rather the what if scenario of messing a bunt up than the what if scenario of striking out or the what if scenario of grounding into a double play (both of which happened in that same inning.)

Good thing you don't manage the Jays!

Post #1718 » by **Schad** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:28 am

Ramako wrote:But that then raises the question of why not raise an "ALDS Winner" banner for 2015 as well, or even in place of the division banner?

Good point. Instead, I say we take out new reputation for dickishness to a whole 'nother level, and raise a banner that says "Zach Britton: October 2016 Hide and Seek World Champion".

Post #1719 » by **JaysRule25** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:28 am

Boogie! wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...

You gotta remember that we had a less than healthy JD on second and EE (the slowest runner on the team on first). What if Bautista (a guy not used to bunting at all) messes the bunt up? He could easily bunt to the pitcher or close to the catcher and JD could be forced out at third. Worst case scenario could also be a double play at second and first. Having a team full of sluggers like we do really limits the stuff you can do when it comes to playing small ball.

id rather the what if scenario of messing a bunt up than the what if scenario of striking out or the what if scenario of grounding into a double play (both of which happened in that same inning.)

To each their own. I just think that the what if scenario of bunting was just as likely to fail as the what if scenario of a strikeout and double play. JB has one sac bunt since 2010. He has a good eye at the plate, doesn't strike out much and has a knack for coming up clutch in big situations. I have no problem with letting him hit away and at least try to move the runners up, if not drive them in. It's not like this was Pillar or Carrera batting.

RaptorsJunkie · Post #1720 » by **RaptorsJunkie** » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:29 am

Ramako wrote:
Schad wrote:
Ramako wrote:So do we hang an A.L. Wild Card Champion banner? It would feel a little odd excluding a playoff appearance from the rafters at SkyDome.

Nah. You get a banner now, and write "2016 ALDS" on it for the time being, and fill in either "winner" or "runner-up" in a week.

But that then raises the question of why not raise an "ALDS Winner" banner for 2015 as well, or even in place of the division banner?

Why raise any of those banners when you are going to raise a 2016 World Series Champions banner?