J.R. Smith, Cavs $4M-$5M Apart Per Season In Negotiations

[SMTBSI]

Because theyre the only ones whos title hopes rely on him signing with them?

So, what - he's going to sign with a team with vastly less chance of a title, for less money, just to spite the Cavs? That would be the mother of all cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face moves.

If no one else is offering him more than the Cavs have, they have no reason not to sit tight and wait him out.

Who says this is the case? Where is there proof Philly hasn't offered 3 for 45m or something? How is everyone so certain of this? How do we know that he doesn't have big money offers that he's taking into the cavs FO and saying "listen I wanna play here I just won a title here, lebron's my boy, I wanna stay but these gives are giving me 15m and the ONLY thing it costs you is the money, there's 0 opportunity cost or reason not to pay me beyond Dan Gilbert being a stingy *** so just give me my money or I will walk to a crappy team and make the money I deserve."

I'm not certain. I am absolutely assuming.

But, if your scenario were the case, I strongly expect he'd have been signed by the Cavs by now, because you are correct that it wouldn't make a heck of a lot of sense for them to be stingy and play with fire at that point.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out.

JR, the guy you're all saying doesn't deserve this money because of his character issues

Others may have, but I've never said that, and never thought that. He "deserves" what the market will pay him. That was the entire point of my first post, nothing more.

And even if it's not, even if all he can do is get a 1 year 10m deal from someone like philly now then go back on the market next year, you think he wouldn't do that to spite a FO that he feels is totally disrespecting him?

Would you do that? I sure as heck wouldn't. And, I definitely wouldn't feel "disrespected" just because my team wouldn't pay me 50% more than anyone else was offering.

[SMTBSI]

Weird vanished double post error. Both posts show up in the wiretap reader, but the first one doesn't show in the actual thread, so I can't delete/edit. Odd.


Ooh, and I meant this to be an edit not a new post, but can't delete it. I'm learning all sorts of things about how wiretap discussion works today!

[ChokeFasncists]

Say bad things about teammate's salary raise, this is what you get.

BTW, Nets are trying to get good character guys, don't want him.

Nets need talent, teams like the Spurs, Warriors can focus on character, Nets, Knicks and teams that don't make the playoffs need talent.

Marks is totally focused on getting character guys, hence no Waitors, Rondo, Lance etc.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

@Dame curry

Dan Gilbert stingy? Lol. Biggest payroll probably ever xnd you threw out the word stingy and Dan Gilbert in one sentence.

[Trader_Joe]

Say bad things about teammate's salary raise, this is what you get.

BTW, Nets are trying to get good character guys, don't want him.

Nets need talent, teams like the Spurs, Warriors can focus on character, Nets, Knicks and teams that don't make the playoffs need talent.

Nets are run by a Spurs guy trying emulate their model. He has repeatedly said they are focusing in character. They did not go after the talented Brooklyn native Stephenson and would not pursue JR. Can't imagine Philly would want him around their impressionable youth either. Both teams are so far away from the playoffs that one talented player doesn't get them close.

[TimRobbins]

Let the season start. Cavs start losing a few games and they have no choice but to give him the contract.

[Hoopzilla]

This is obviously Lebron just trying to get his friend some money and the Cavs are having none of it. J.R. could be replaced by a handful of players in this league and the Cavs are making that very clear. They will not succumb to Lebron's demands that they just pony up and give him everything J.R. wants. Lebron is trying to prove his power and I am glad to see the Cavs taking the stand. K. Love, no problem. Give away Wiggins for someone that will produce now? No problem. Overpay J.R. simply because Lebron whines publicly? Grow up Lebron.

[Hoopzilla]

Let the season start. Cavs start losing a few games and they have no choice but to give him the contract.

Anyone who thinks the Cavs success has anything to do with J.R. is fooling themselves. He is a piece of the puzzle, but in no way is he unreplaceable. Lebron, Kyrie, K. Love, TT, they are the driving forces. J.R. can be replaced, and for a lot less than he is trying to extort from the Cavs.

[TimRobbins]

Let the season start. Cavs start losing a few games and they have no choice but to give him the contract.

Anyone who thinks the Cavs success has anything to do with J.R. is fooling themselves. He is a piece of the puzzle, but in no way is he unreplaceable. Lebron, Kyrie, K. Love, TT, they are the driving forces. J.R. can be replaced, and for a lot less than he is trying to extort from the Cavs.

He can't be replaced with what the Cavs have. Not offensively and not defensively. Without JR, the Cavs don't even get out of the East.

[MitchB3]

I believe it's time to start paying Smith some type of money; sure he may have his inconsistent moments but during the Finals last year he showed up. When the team need him to play some defense he played defense, he scored at the right time and sure he did do some knuckle head plays but he did his best. If Shumpert can get $11 million and he's coming off the bench, then J.R. should get his $15 Million.

[3Diamantidis]

Let the season start. Cavs start losing a few games and they have no choice but to give him the contract.

Anyone who thinks the Cavs success has anything to do with J.R. is fooling themselves. He is a piece of the puzzle, but in no way is he unreplaceable. Lebron, Kyrie, K. Love, TT, they are the driving forces. J.R. can be replaced, and for a lot less than he is trying to extort from the Cavs.

Name his replacement.
All i'm seeing 10 days now is the bucks trying to get a decent(not quality) SG to play instead of middleton.
Their choices? McLemore, Stauskas, Lamb. These are the names written all the time.
Who is better than smith out of all these guys?
Of course and there are better SGs. The cost to obtain them though goes way above 15mil.
If the cavs rise to 13mil, i have the feeling that JR will sign. They will rise 2mil he will fall 2 mil and they will get the deal done.
It's highly unwise to lose your starting SG and important piece to your success for 2mil per year....

[IAMZOOTED]

Let the season start. Cavs start losing a few games and they have no choice but to give him the contract.

Anyone who thinks the Cavs success has anything to do with J.R. is fooling themselves. He is a piece of the puzzle, but in no way is he unreplaceable. Lebron, Kyrie, K. Love, TT, they are the driving forces. J.R. can be replaced, and for a lot less than he is trying to extort from the Cavs.

Name his replacement.
All i'm seeing 10 days now is the bucks trying to get a decent(not quality) SG to play instead of middleton.
Their choices? McLemore, Stauskas, Lamb. These are the names written all the time.
Who is better than smith out of all these guys?
Of course and there are better SGs. The cost to obtain them though goes way above 15mil.
If the cavs rise to 13mil, i have the feeling that JR will sign. They will rise 2mil he will fall 2 mil and they will get the deal done.
It's highly unwise to lose your starting SG and important piece to your success for 2mil per year....

I'm sure the bucks would love to get him, but unfortunately they don't have the cap space to sign him so that doesn't really matter

[Swoosh_Stripes]

Say bad things about teammate's salary raise, this is what you get.

BTW, Nets are trying to get good character guys, don't want him.

Nets need talent, teams like the Spurs, Warriors can focus on character, Nets, Knicks and teams that don't make the playoffs need talent.

Nets are run by a Spurs guy trying emulate their model. He has repeatedly said they are focusing in character. They did not go after the talented Brooklyn native Stephenson and would not pursue JR. Can't imagine Philly would want him around their impressionable youth either. Both teams are so far away from the playoffs that one talented player doesn't get them close.

Very difficult to copy the Spurs model until Marks finds his own version of Tim Duncan and without owning your first round pick the next 2 drafts, the Nets are in for a rough stretch. As for Philly it's not about actually wanting JR Smith, just giving the appearance that you want JR Smith, my guess is Philadelphia does it as a favor to LBJ and Paul knowing full well that JR is not going to sign with them.

[Trader_Joe]

Nets need talent, teams like the Spurs, Warriors can focus on character, Nets, Knicks and teams that don't make the playoffs need talent.

Nets are run by a Spurs guy trying emulate their model. He has repeatedly said they are focusing in character. They did not go after the talented Brooklyn native Stephenson and would not pursue JR. Can't imagine Philly would want him around their impressionable youth either. Both teams are so far away from the playoffs that one talented player doesn't get them close.

Very difficult to copy the Spurs model until Marks finds his own version of Tim Duncan and without owning your first round pick the next 2 drafts, the Nets are in for a rough stretch. As for Philly it's not about actually wanting JR Smith, just giving the appearance that you want JR Smith, my guess is Philadelphia does it as a favor to LBJ and Paul knowing full well that JR is not going to sign with them.

He is trying to emulate what he can and has specifically mentioned high character players with work ethic of which JR is not. JR is not a Duncan by any stretch nor does he bring the Nets any closer to respectability, if anything the opposite.

[jaywalkszzz]

Because theyre the only ones whos title hopes rely on him signing with them?

So, what - he's going to sign with a team with vastly less chance of a title, for less money, just to spite the Cavs? That would be the mother of all cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face moves.

If no one else is offering him more than the Cavs have, they have no reason not to sit tight and wait him out.

Who says this is the case? Where is there proof Philly hasn't offered 3 for 45m or something? How is everyone so certain of this? How do we know that he doesn't have big money offers that he's taking into the cavs FO and saying "listen I wanna play here I just won a title here, lebron's my boy, I wanna stay but these gives are giving me 15m and the ONLY thing it costs you is the money, there's 0 opportunity cost or reason not to pay me beyond Dan Gilbert being a stingy *** so just give me my money or I will walk to a crappy team and make the money I deserve." How are you all so ******* certain that the case isn't more like that, there are still teams, who one way or another, can pay him. And even if it's not, even if all he can do is get a 1 year 10m deal from someone like philly now then go back on the market next year, you think he wouldn't do that to spite a FO that he feels is totally disrespecting him? JR, the guy you're all saying doesn't deserve this money because of his character issues couldn't possibly be that petty and spiteful? Really? None of this makes any sense, the cavs should give him the money he earned and move on and I can't fathom why I seem to be the only one who realizes this obvious fact.

Dan Gilbert has to also factor in his luxury tax bill even as a billionaire.

If JRS signs for $10M, Gilbert’s Luxury Tax Bill: ~$26.8M
If JRS signs for $12.5M, Glbert’s Luxury Tax Bill: ~$34.4M
If JRS signs for $15M, Gilbert’s Luxury Tax Bill: ~$42.5M

In addition, Gilbert will most likely pay luxury taxes at the repeater rate in 2017-18 (assuming similar CBA rules and no major trades or salary dumps)

(Above are estimates based on the assumption that all guaranteed contracts, plus partial guaranteed (Liggins), plus two camp players make the team, and JRS re-signs. The calculations don’t yet account for Mo Williams’ likely buyout or forfeited salaries due to suspensions, which are tallied at the end of the season)