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[LarryBirdsFingr]

Just dreamt that Darko Milicic pulled off a Stone Cold Stunner on Leandro Barbosa while the Brazilian Blur was going up for a layup. They were reviewing the play when I woke up.

Regular season needs to start already.

You need jesus or weed, or both. Or maybe just real basketball

[Andrew McCeltic]

We need to puff on some insider rumors

[Patsfan1081]

Random OT, but Marquese Chriss looks LEGIT

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In retrospect, would you have wanted to trade up for him?

(Should we assume that it would have costs #s 16, 23, & 35, and that Zizic wouldn't have been available at 31?)

Yes, 1,000,000 times out of 1,000,000. It was a no brainier consolation move

I really like Zizic but the Suns really didn't give up that much for the eight pick, Chriss is going to be a much better prospect than Ender.

[cl2117]

I would have liked to see the C's have traded up for Chriss, but you never know if that was an option. I thought Chriss had all the athleticism to be a steal, but I just felt like he might be further off from contributing than some of the other guys.

I was honestly more upset that we traded Davis after he fell that far than I was that we didn't go up to get Chriss.

I have heard very little about Yabusele since the draft. Read this article a while back about him going to play in China instead of the Euro-league, which seemed odd to me, but the C's organization was in on the decision:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/10/03/celtics-liking-what-they-see-from-guerschon-yabusele/pqoA75wYXFXtvDPqQx0VQK/story.html

He's playing for Yao's team and they seem eager to mold the kid, but he sounds quite far away from being NBA ready.

[ConstableGeneva]

Don't take my word for it, but I heard in a preseason game telecast (forgot which) that the Kings really wanted Papagiannis (don't ask me why) and that they had intel indicating other teams were going to pick him had Sacramento not taken him at #13. Even if the Celtics had sweetened the offer to move up to 8 (no idea if we tried), Kings would've still taken the Suns offer. They also got Bogdan Bogdanovic, who has a connection to Divac via the Serbian Olympic team.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Don't take my word for it, but I heard in a preseason game telecast (forgot which) that the Kings really wanted Papagiannis (don't ask me why) and that they had intel indicating other teams were going to pick him had Sacramento not taken him at #13. Even if the Celtics had sweetened the offer to move up to 8 (no idea if we tried), Kings would've still taken the Suns offer. They also got Bogdan Bogdanovic, who has a connection to Divac via the Serbian Olympic team.

Weren't multiple sources also claiming Hernangomez was slated to be our 2nd pick, which is why he was sniped before us? Not discrediting the Papagiannis tidbit, but sounds like the draft, besides Jaylen, didn't quite unfold as desired. That said, I remain quite pleased with it.

[BakersDozen]

I think DA or maybe it was Brad basically admitted it wasnt how they wanted the draft to turn out. They clearly wanted to deal #3 they just werent willing to sell off all of their assets


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[ddb]

I think DA or maybe it was Brad basically admitted it wasnt how they wanted the draft to turn out. They clearly wanted to deal #3 they just werent willing to sell off all of their assets


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When a team has as many picks as the Celtics had this past summer, there is NO WAY the draft will pan out exactly how they were "hoping". And sometimes that can be a good thing. We're not even into the regular season and I'm already thrilled with what I'm seeing from Jaylen Brown. Kid is legit and has a bright, bright future.
Zicic and Yabu are obviously both stashed which is fine. Next year if they come over it will be like we had 2 lottery picks coming in along with our BK swap pick. This gives Ainge tremendous flexibility for his roster and/or trade.

The Demitrious Jackson, Ben Bentil and Abdul Nader picks even look pretty good. But it's a bit of a head scratcher because there isn't roster space for Bentil....So if he's cut it's essentially a wasted pick. IMO, Ainge will pull off a consolidation trade of some sort.

I think they really like Jackson and he's going to make the roster and split between Boston and Maine. I think they really, really like Nader and are excited he decided to accept a season in Maine. Buys Boston another year to figure out where he can fit. Bentil is probably being packaged with Young in some sort of trade package for a future pick, or pick swap. Maybe a consolidation trade of sorts. We'll see.

[Homerclease]

I think DA or maybe it was Brad basically admitted it wasnt how they wanted the draft to turn out. They clearly wanted to deal #3 they just werent willing to sell off all of their assets


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When a team has as many picks as the Celtics had this past summer, there is NO WAY the draft will pan out exactly how they were "hoping". And sometimes that can be a good thing. We're not even into the regular season and I'm already thrilled with what I'm seeing from Jaylen Brown. Kid is legit and has a bright, bright future.
Zicic and Yabu are obviously both stashed which is fine. Next year if they come over it will be like we had 2 lottery picks coming in along with our BK swap pick. This gives Ainge tremendous flexibility for his roster and/or trade.

The Demitrious Jackson, Ben Bentil and Abdul Nader picks even look pretty good. But it's a bit of a head scratcher because there isn't roster space for Bentil....So if he's cut it's essentially a wasted pick. IMO, Ainge will pull off a consolidation trade of some sort.

I think they really like Jackson and he's going to make the roster and split between Boston and Maine. I think they really, really like Nader and are excited he decided to accept a season in Maine. Buys Boston another year to figure out where he can fit. Bentil is probably being packaged with Young in some sort of trade package for a future pick, or pick swap. Maybe a consolidation trade of sorts. We'll see.

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

[24istheLAW]

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Who is Holmes? Richaun Holmes?

[Homerclease]

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Who is Holmes? Richaun Holmes?

Yes.

[cl2117]

I think DA or maybe it was Brad basically admitted it wasnt how they wanted the draft to turn out. They clearly wanted to deal #3 they just werent willing to sell off all of their assets


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When a team has as many picks as the Celtics had this past summer, there is NO WAY the draft will pan out exactly how they were "hoping". And sometimes that can be a good thing. We're not even into the regular season and I'm already thrilled with what I'm seeing from Jaylen Brown. Kid is legit and has a bright, bright future.
Zicic and Yabu are obviously both stashed which is fine. Next year if they come over it will be like we had 2 lottery picks coming in along with our BK swap pick. This gives Ainge tremendous flexibility for his roster and/or trade.

The Demitrious Jackson, Ben Bentil and Abdul Nader picks even look pretty good. But it's a bit of a head scratcher because there isn't roster space for Bentil....So if he's cut it's essentially a wasted pick. IMO, Ainge will pull off a consolidation trade of some sort.

I think they really like Jackson and he's going to make the roster and split between Boston and Maine. I think they really, really like Nader and are excited he decided to accept a season in Maine. Buys Boston another year to figure out where he can fit. Bentil is probably being packaged with Young in some sort of trade package for a future pick, or pick swap. Maybe a consolidation trade of sorts. We'll see.

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Turn the first into seconds and OK, but Holmes isn't worth a first plus additional value, which when discussing players on this end of the talent spectrum Hunter and Jackson qualify as.

I think Philly would want Rozier, but I'd say Jackson (who I would value higher than his draft spot), Hunter and then maybe the Minny 2018 second or 2 later seconds, would be my max offer.

I'd be down to consolidate some of our lesser pieces into a guy like Holmes, but would rather hold onto any firsts in case something better becomes available as the season goes on.

[Homerclease]

When a team has as many picks as the Celtics had this past summer, there is NO WAY the draft will pan out exactly how they were "hoping". And sometimes that can be a good thing. We're not even into the regular season and I'm already thrilled with what I'm seeing from Jaylen Brown. Kid is legit and has a bright, bright future.
Zicic and Yabu are obviously both stashed which is fine. Next year if they come over it will be like we had 2 lottery picks coming in along with our BK swap pick. This gives Ainge tremendous flexibility for his roster and/or trade.

The Demitrious Jackson, Ben Bentil and Abdul Nader picks even look pretty good. But it's a bit of a head scratcher because there isn't roster space for Bentil....So if he's cut it's essentially a wasted pick. IMO, Ainge will pull off a consolidation trade of some sort.

I think they really like Jackson and he's going to make the roster and split between Boston and Maine. I think they really, really like Nader and are excited he decided to accept a season in Maine. Buys Boston another year to figure out where he can fit. Bentil is probably being packaged with Young in some sort of trade package for a future pick, or pick swap. Maybe a consolidation trade of sorts. We'll see.

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Turn the first into seconds and OK, but Holmes isn't worth a first plus additional value, which when discussing players on this end of the talent spectrum Hunter and Jackson qualify as.

I think Philly would want Rozier, but I'd say Jackson (who I would value higher than his draft spot), Hunter and then maybe the Minny 2018 second or 2 later seconds, would be my max offer.

I'd be down to consolidate some of our lesser pieces into a guy like Holmes, but would rather hold onto any firsts in case something better becomes available as the season goes on.

BOS 18 should be in the 25-30 range anyway, not too far off from a second. They have plenty of picks and not enough roster space to go along with a lack of talent in the front court. Consolidate guards, dump a pick and get a center who can actually play basketball.

[24istheLAW]

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Who is Holmes? Richaun Holmes?

Yes.

Well you're thinking outside the box, I'll give you credit for that.

But...

1) You're trading for a 23 year old who is already in the league, not a one-and-done teenager. I can see him being a useful rotational player. But it's a big projection to trade a 1st for a guy who was a low pick a year ago and hasn't actually done much in the league.

2) I'm not sure if a power forward solves the team's issues defensively. He's a good shot blocker becuase of his length but he's not a banger. He's not much of a rebounder. Is that what we really need next to Horford?

EDIT: I see you refer to him as a center, maybe I'm uninformed but I'm under the impression that while he's a center it's more in a shot blocking sense than in terms of having the bulk to push around and corral rebounds. So is he the right kind of center?

Seems like his upside is a younger version of Amir. Now, getting that for the package you suggest would be a coup. But there's a strong possibility he doesn't reach that upside, and I don't think that package is worth the chance of him turning into a young Amir.

It is outside the box though.

[Homerclease]

Who is Holmes? Richaun Holmes?

Yes.

Well you're thinking outside the box, I'll give you credit for that.

But...

1) You're trading for a 23 year old who is already in the league, not a one-and-done teenager. I can see him being a useful rotational player. But it's a big projection to trade a 1st for a guy who was a low pick a year ago and hasn't actually done much in the league.

2) I'm not sure if a power forward solves the team's issues defensively. He's a good shot blocker becuase of his length but he's not a banger. He's not much of a rebounder. Is that what we really need next to Horford?

Seems like his upside is a younger version of Amir. Now, getting that for the package you suggest would be a coup. But there's a strong possibility he doesn't reach that upside, and I don't think that package is worth the chance of him turning into a young Amir.

It is outside the box though.

Not all firsts are created equal, bostons first in 2018 should be in the late 20's barring a total collapse and Holmes faces the same problem in philly that guys like Hunter and Jackson face here. There's just too many guys out in front of them for them to show their stuff. Holmes can play and his contract is dirt cheap for the next few seasons

[cl2117]

Jackson/Hunter/BOS 18 for Holmes. Boston can afford to overpay Philly here

Turn the first into seconds and OK, but Holmes isn't worth a first plus additional value, which when discussing players on this end of the talent spectrum Hunter and Jackson qualify as.

I think Philly would want Rozier, but I'd say Jackson (who I would value higher than his draft spot), Hunter and then maybe the Minny 2018 second or 2 later seconds, would be my max offer.

I'd be down to consolidate some of our lesser pieces into a guy like Holmes, but would rather hold onto any firsts in case something better becomes available as the season goes on.

BOS 18 should be in the 25-30 range anyway, not too far off from a second. They have plenty of picks and not enough roster space to go along with a lack of talent in the front court. Consolidate guards, dump a pick and get a center who can actually play basketball.

True, but that could still help tip the scales in a more important trade.

I don't think your proposal it's too far off from a reasonable offer, but I wouldn't want to put any pieces on the table that I might rather use elsewhere. I'm totally down to trade that pick all things considered, but I wouldn't be so cavalier to trade it for a guy like Holmes.

Would be more than happy to turn Hunter, Jackson and some seconds into him, but I'd rather hold onto that 2018 first and hope that maybe it lands us Bogut at the deadline for a playoff push or combined with other picks/players for a more impactful player.

Hunter, Jackson, Minny 2018 2nd and Cleveland 2018 first. That'd be my very top offer. Would rather give Mickey the minutes if it's going to cost us any more than that.

[brackdan70]

Don't take my word for it, but I heard in a preseason game telecast (forgot which) that the Kings really wanted Papagiannis (don't ask me why) and that they had intel indicating other teams were going to pick him had Sacramento not taken him at #13. Even if the Celtics had sweetened the offer to move up to 8 (no idea if we tried), Kings would've still taken the Suns offer. They also got Bogdan Bogdanovic, who has a connection to Divac via the Serbian Olympic team.

yep, i don't think we could beat the offer with 16,23, etc etc.

[CelticsLV]

Said it after the game against 6ers that i would trade 10 Zellers and Mickeys for Holmes. I like him a lot, plays extremely physical. We can only hope Mickey will provide something Holmes can provide now for 1mil/3years. Definitely not someone you could put next to Horford now but i would like to see him next to Olynyk or Jerebko.

[ddb]

Said it after the game against 6ers that i would trade 10 Zellers and Mickeys for Holmes. I like him a lot, plays extremely physical. We can only hope Mickey will provide something Holmes can provide now for 1mil/3years. Definitely not someone you could put next to Horford now but i would like to see him next to Olynyk or Jerebko.

giving up an awful lot for HOLMES. I mean, seriously? I'd do James Young/Demitrious Jackson for Holmes and that's about it. Just because we have too many guys for a roster doesn't mean you start making bad trades to consolidate.

[165bows]

The team already picked Mickey over Holmes once. Not sure if they've seen enough to want that choice back or not. IMO it's tough to evaluate these young players on terrible teams because guys are going to get some numbers there no matter what.

I doubt Holmes would be cracking the rotation here as anything other than the fifth big, and as mentioned he's 23, not some 19 year old.