PG Thread: Oof

[HEZI]

Offensively it did, guys were stuck in mud trying to read the defense and make the proper cuts.

Phil wants the triangle to be more reaction based but in reality if we're going to run stuff from it then it should be rehearsed sets so guys can just move and not think.

Example, Melo caught the ball at the wing and the post and top guard were denied so KP is supposed to flash to the high post with Lee going back door while the pass is in this air while Melo down screens for Rose who would then have the option of running the too man game with KP and Lee/Melo in the corners spacing the floor.

But KP was late to flash and Melo ends up going one on one. Now he scored but not in the way the offense designed it.

If Hornacek just makes those reads a set rather than having the players have to figure it out then we'd see more motion and get better shots.

The triangle killed us big time tonight. In my opinion.

You point out one play as if that one play cost us the game. As far as it goes, there is nothing complicated about that play. That is a very basic play. What exactly made that play so difficult to execute? The Cavs brought championship level defense to a team that is still in the early stage of developing cohesion and chemistry.

The "sky is falling" crowd totally ignores that fact. We're a new team facing a CHAMPIONSHIP team with the FIRST game ALL our starters even played together. Get a grip & give the team some time to grow & improve!

We gotta know we are dealing with Knicks fans. They've been bettered way to much to have any faith left, all it takes is one game and all hope is shattered

The funniest part is dudes are talking about lets tank for kids who have not even played 1 NCAA game yet but are the saviors of the franchise

The more things change the more they stay the same

It feels great to have the NBA season back

[Wonderllama]

I really hope the Knicks give up on their playoff dreams sooner rather than later. They NEED to tank... long-term it is 100% the right thing to do

[waya]

Damn son. I'm on record for not expecting much from the team this season, but even I'd agree there's some massive overreactions in here. We were playing the world champions in their own stadium. They brought back pretty much their entire team, we have 5 holdovers from last season... The people upset probably hyped themselves up into thinking we'd spank them

If we're still playing this way in 10-15 games though, you best believe i'm hopping on that tank

[whocares1]

Melo is not a do it all SF. He's a do nothing except shoot SF. And Jackson's legacy can never be destroyed. He has 11 rings.

What this season will show is that Melo will never be a first option for a championship team, and that Rose is no longer the dynamic pg he once was. It's time for Melo to go be a second or third option somewhere, and Rose can forget getting a big paycheck next year.

So you admit this is a championship team, but Melo can't be the #1 option? Because how could he show he's not the #1 option on a championship team when he is NOT on a championship team?

It's not a championship team BECAUSE Melo is the first option.

Lol then who should be the first option? Please tell me because I'd love to know.

[dakomish23]

Melo is not a do it all SF. He's a do nothing except shoot SF. And Jackson's legacy can never be destroyed. He has 11 rings.

What this season will show is that Melo will never be a first option for a championship team, and that Rose is no longer the dynamic pg he once was. It's time for Melo to go be a second or third option somewhere, and Rose can forget getting a big paycheck next year.

So you admit this is a championship team, but Melo can't be the #1 option? Because how could he show he's not the #1 option on a championship team when he is NOT on a championship team?

It's not a championship team BECAUSE Melo is the first option.

That is not what you said.

And that is still you admitting that this is a championship team that is constructed. The pecking order is the only thing that has to change, right?

Thanks for confirming your original thought.

[Knicks Byke]

defense is the reason we lost this game.

[2010]

Knicks are going to feast on less talented bad teams but are going to have some ugly nights and really get beat up on by the good teams who have been together for a while. I am not discouraged. We will peak when it counts.

[dakomish23]

You point out one play as if that one play cost us the game. As far as it goes, there is nothing complicated about that play. That is a very basic play. What exactly made that play so difficult to execute? The Cavs brought championship level defense to a team that is still in the early stage of developing cohesion and chemistry.

The "sky is falling" crowd totally ignores that fact. We're a new team facing a CHAMPIONSHIP team with the FIRST game ALL our starters even played together. Get a grip & give the team some time to grow & improve!

We gotta know we are dealing with Knicks fans. They've been bettered way to much to have any faith left, all it takes is one game and all hope is shattered

The funniest part is dudes are talking about lets tank for kids who have not even played 1 NCAA game yet but are the saviors of the franchise

The more things change the more they stay the same

It feels great to have the NBA season back

This isn't about Knicks fans being battered all these years.

It's about folks showing their true colors.

Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Best believe 95% of the sky is falling crowd is on the bandwagon when we're playing well and winning games. The remaining 5% who only open their mouth when their agenda looks good will hide at that time.

[HEZI]

The "sky is falling" crowd totally ignores that fact. We're a new team facing a CHAMPIONSHIP team with the FIRST game ALL our starters even played together. Get a grip & give the team some time to grow & improve!

We gotta know we are dealing with Knicks fans. They've been bettered way to much to have any faith left, all it takes is one game and all hope is shattered

The funniest part is dudes are talking about lets tank for kids who have not even played 1 NCAA game yet but are the saviors of the franchise

The more things change the more they stay the same

It feels great to have the NBA season back

This isn't about Knicks fans being battered all these years.

It's about folks showing their true colors.

Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Best believe 95% of the sky is falling crowd is on the bandwagon when we're playing well and winning games. The remaining 5% who only open their mouth when their agenda looks good will hide at that time.

Good point

[waya]

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Dude has such low grasp on fundamentals. Everything about his game is ugly, even his damn entry passes. This charlatan shot out of his mind for one month and swindled Phil out of 27 milion. Even his defense is below average, but too many people confuse effort for good defense.

[Rotten Apple]

The triangle has nothing to do with why the team lost the game

Offensively it did, guys were stuck in mud trying to read the defense and make the proper cuts.

Phil wants the triangle to be more reaction based but in reality if we're going to run stuff from it then it should be rehearsed sets so guys can just move and not think.

Example, Melo caught the ball at the wing and the post and top guard were denied so KP is supposed to flash to the high post with Lee going back door while the pass is in this air while Melo down screens for Rose who would then have the option of running the too man game with KP and Lee/Melo in the corners spacing the floor.

But KP was late to flash and Melo ends up going one on one. Now he scored but not in the way the offense designed it.

If Hornacek just makes those reads a set rather than having the players have to figure it out then we'd see more motion and get better shots.

The triangle killed us big time tonight. In my opinion.

You point out one play as if that one play cost us the game. As far as it goes, there is nothing complicated about that play. That is a very basic play. What exactly made that play so difficult to execute? The Cavs brought championship level defense to a team that is still in the early stage of developing cohesion and chemistry.

I brought an example

It plainly shows how we're not reading the defense fast enough, cutting at the right times and executing the complex offense.

What made the play difficult to execute was KP not recognizing that the post and opposite guard were denied so he had to flash, he reacted late and Love denied that option, it led to a one on one or as us fans call it ISO MELO.

The Cavs defense was great but we had some success against it in the first half but when we allow them to set up and dictate where we go with the ball then we're done.

The triangle is about reacting to what the defense gives you, the defense tells you what to run. The Knicks need to take what they want and make opposing defenses react to us.

[Rotten Apple]

Knicks are going to feast on less talented bad teams but are going to have some ugly nights and really get beat up on by the good teams who have been together for a while. I am not discouraged. We will peak when it counts.

Great point.

The 54 win team peaked early but had no room for improvement, this team has a high ceiling and will likely be better later rather than sooner.

[whocares1]

defense is the reason we lost this game.

This is the truth.

1. Switching shows weakness. Knicks did it all night. Created terrible matchups that eventually led to their demise

2. Closing out: Knicks are slow to close out on open three point shooters. They assume the shooter is going to make it so they half assed most of them. The help defender played way to close to the paint and Lebron burned us over and over again by making the right pass

3. Putting Derrick Rose on Lebron made no sense whatsoever. If Holliday cannot guard Lebron then Melo, Thomas, or Lee need to be out there to defend him. Letting Noah guard Channing Frye is idiotic. He is a liability on the perimeter defensively and the Knicks should've adjusted their lineups better to what the Cavs were throwing at them

4. Bad individual defense all across the board. Porzingis, Rose, etc. Knicks are going nowhere with this type of defense.

[dakomish23]

The more I watch him the more I don't think DRose should start. Dude is not making it a priority to get guys involved whatsoever.

Jennings sucks but at least he makes it a point to get everyone the ball and keep the ball moving. DRose is doing iso plays from 25 feet out and taking on two guys at the rim. He's somehow become Monta Ellis from 2 years ago.

Unless he changes how he plays, we'd be so much better with him carrying the 2nd unit.

The KP is infallible crowd will like it a lot more.

Won't ever happen though.

[Rotten Apple]

Well Lebron destroyed us.. without him Cavs looked worse than us.


This is worse than any pre season game, guys lacked communication on defence and cooperation on offence. everyone looked like ****.

Damn LFT looked like he doesnt get his hierarchy anymore and thinks hes Kobe.

There was a sequence when Melo went into ISO mode at the top of the key,KP was right to his left WIDE OPEN for 3, and Melo just looked him off and shot a contested long 2.

Upon seeing this, my heart physically hurt and deep down, I felt like this team and season just might be meant to be.

How did your heart feel when Melo set up KP or set the screen for KP to get an open shot?

Doesn't matter, Melo has to give it to KP every time down the court or he's in Welo mode according to this board.

[QueensG718]

What you guys think about the idea of kp coming off the bench like barely noted? I would be down for that but it would probably stunt his growth

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[MartinsLusis]

Melo really stops the offensive flow with his ISOs. It's a hard thing to watch.

[M2J]

People get fixated on one play where Melo misses KP. Melo did a decent enough job getting others involved. I didn't see enough movement all around, I don't think that's Melo's fault. When people get open and Melo sees them, he passes the ball.

He did so tonight finding JHoliday a few times.

I saw some promising things. This didn't look like a team tonight, but I don't think that will last. The will on the end of the talent is there, just hasn't been enough time. This is a brand new team around Melo. Hell, I don't even count KP as the same player as last year.

What I looked for today was the talent, and the talent is there. We have to be creative with some things however. There needs to be more staggered minutes. I will never understand not having one of the main 3 scorers on the court. Has to happen. And if Lance doesn't get it together soon, then they need to incorporate Kuz and Willy in more, as they need the offense. Jennings needs to be more aggressive scoring also.

Furthermore, I saw so many opportunities for Pick and Rolls it was ridiculous, but the offense doesn't call for it. Needs to be a pick and roll attempted every play. So much talent on this team.

In terms of the talent, I take away that athletically and skill wise we are good. Melo has shown at times over the preseason and tonight that he can still be a superstar talent. I was in awe to see him catch an alley oop, haven't seen that in a while where he actually slams it. He looks good, just needs to figure out his role on this team in this offense, and what that offense is. But, they still have their star.

Rose looks to be athletically strong. There was one play late in the 2nd where he picked up a loose rebound, and everyone else on this team besides Melo would've pulled the ball out and allowed the defense to set in front of him. He made a B-line for the hoop and that's what stars do. Rose looked good athletically, but lost within the offense at times. Some bad turnovers. Turnovers were a killer when the game was in question.

KP had a quiet 10 points prior to his 2 garbage 3s. Looked good overall, but he had a very up and down game too.

But you have to like have 3 strong scoring options. The defense needs so much work though, so much work. But the talent is there to pull it together. But this has to be a defensive and great rebounding team to be truly successful, and turnovers have to be minimized

[Rotten Apple]

Melo really stops the offensive flow with his ISOs. It's a hard thing to watch.

Posts like these show me guys don't know much about basketball.

[dakomish23]

Melo really stops the offensive flow with his ISOs. It's a hard thing to watch.

What offensive flow? There was none. It was DRose iso from the top and him making some cool looking layups. Melo iso is a jumper. They are both isolation plays for a person to score.

What game are people watching??