10/28 | Friday Game Thread

Hindenburg · Post #261 » by **Hindenburg** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:08 am

this GSW/NOP game

picc · Post #262 » by **picc** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:08 am

I hope Davis and John Wall team up.

I know thats random but whatever. Would be nice.

B-Ball Freak · Post #263 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:08 am

KD is slowly taking this team over, Curry playing like a jackass

B-Ball Freak · Post #264 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:10 am

LOL AD with 45/17 now

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #265 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:10 am

Davis has 45 pts and 17 rebs lol

Teko · Post #266 » by **Teko** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:10 am

NaturalThunder wrote:I don't care that his team is 0-2. Two games into the season, Anthony Davis currently holds the crown for best or second best player in the world along with, ahead, or behind Kawhi depending on where you personally stand.

Fixed for you.

picc · Post #267 » by **picc** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:11 am

So Davis is the GOAT right? I dont wanna jump the gun but i dont see any argument against it at this point.

Shock Defeat · Post #268 » by **Shock Defeat** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:11 am

Bad win for the Warriors. Gave up 114 to a one man team.

Post #269 » by **og15** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:11 am

yoyoboy wrote:
og15 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Eh...I wouldn't put Griffin ahead of Millsap.
You wouldn't have much company. Millsap can't do what Griffin did vs SA in 14-15 for example. Griffin has "bad" playoff series that are better than Millsap's best playoff performance as a Hawk. Compare Griffin vs Millsap in the post-season when Griffin isn't sitting out and there's really no argument for Millsap.

Griffin's 27 playoff games in 13-14 and 14-15 per 36:
23.1 pts / 9.5 rebs / 4.7 ast / 2.6 tov / 1.0 stl / 1.0 blk / 55.5 TS% / 113 Ortg

Millsap's 33 playoff games with Atlanta the past three seasons per 36:
16.4 pts / 9.3 rebs / 3.1 ast / 2.4 tov / 1.4 stl / 1.5 blk / 51.3 TS% / 103 Ortg

You can even look at Griffin in the stretches where Paul has been injured and consider both team success and his performance. Of course the argument and only argument would be that Millsap is a superior defender, but Griffin is not a bad defender and Griffin is a superior offensive player and much better as a primary option.

I'm not talking who I'd rather have in the playoffs. You were referring to regular season performance only, and even when Griffin is healthy, he hasn't been as good as Millsap there.

RPM, RAPM, WS/48, and BPM all give Millsap considerable edges over Griffin that can't be ignored. Griffin has a slight edge in PER, but PER is known to overrate volume scoring and not value defense as much as it should, which works heavily in Blake'a favor. And Millsap has those statistical edges largely because he's simply a much more impactful defender. I think you undervalue the disparity between the two on that end. Millsap was a legit top 5 defender last year. And he's been the first option and best player on 60-win and 48-win Hawks teams these past 2 years. Atlanta would fall apart without him. On the flip side, Blake is a clear step below Paul on the Clippers and they haven't missed as much of a beat in the RS as you'd expect without him on the floor. The Clippers won 53 games last season and were on pace for 51 with Griffin healthy. Just something to take into consideration.

I'd listen to an argument that Blake is the more talented player, but simply speaking on who's better...I immediately look to impact and actual production. And in that case, Millsap takes the cake for me no doubt. At least in the regular season.

That's fine, but I'll have to first challenge the "considerable edges". Of course these stats aren't meant to rank players or to specifically say that the player whose numbers are higher is better. They help to give some inferences and direction and suggest the level of their performance.

The only time Millsap has had a higher WS/48 than Griffin was last season.

15-16: Blake .156 | Millsap .183
14-15: Blake .183 | Millsap .166
13-14: Blake .205 | Millsap .129
12-13: Blake .196 | Millsap .154

Millsap's career high was .183 WS/48 last season which was Blake's number in 14-15 and actually from 11-12 to 14-15 it was Blake's lowest WS/48.

Next is BPM. Offensive BPM is more accurate then defensive BPM since defensive BPM is primarily derived from blocks, steals and rebounds, this is also the problem with individual Drtg which is basically team Drtg and a players numbers gets "lower / better" the more they defensive rebound, block and steal. So that's why it is no surprise that Millsap had his highest BPM last season when he had career highs in drebs, steals and blocks. Now, Millsap is a good defender, so we'll give him the credit he gets there from the lack of accuracy in the stat just to not belabour that whole issue. Again, last season was a bad season for Blake, that is obvious. 14-15: Blake 4.1, Millsap 4.4, barely any difference and you could attribute difference to error even. 13-14: Blake 4.6, Millsap 3.1. If you average Blake from 11-12 to 14-15, excluding his 15-16 injury season, he averages 4.4 BPM and Millsap in his three seasons in Atlanta averages 4.2 BPM, so there's certainly no great difference. If we isolate OBPM which at the least is the more accurate one, Blake is way ahead averaging 3.0 OBPM to Millsap's 1.1 OBPM in those same spans.

RPM from ESPN's numbers:
15-16: Blake 2.07 | Millsap 5.24
14-15: Blake 3.35 | Millsap 5.09
13-14: Blake 4.65 | Millsap 2.10

So sure, if we take 15-16 as the standard for Blake then he doesn't look as good, but that was his least productive season in quite some time due to playing injured before be went out for some time and then his 5 games after returning which were awful. Those 5 games alone dropped his ppg by 2, his TS% by 1 and Ortg by 1 from his first 30 games. So I don't know....

pelifan · Post #270 » by **pelifan** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:11 am

Warriors probably recruiting Davis right now

Hindenburg · Post #271 » by **Hindenburg** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:11 am

Warriors need to tighten up their defense big time

They are allowing 121.5 ppg in the first two games

B-Ball Freak · Post #272 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:13 am

AD just NEEDS to stay healthy

inquisitive · Post #273 » by **inquisitive** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:13 am

Warriors defense is a serious work in progress

GooniesNeverDie · Post #274 » by **GooniesNeverDie** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:14 am

i would give my left nut for anthony davis.. dell demps should be embarassed

sikma42 · Post #275 » by **sikma42** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:15 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:Bad win for the Warriors. Gave up 114 to a one man team.

guards were going at Zaza like he isnt even there....

Post #276 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:15 am

AD reminding people who he is, too many people had guys like Towns already ahead of him (nothing against Towns)

really hope he doesn't get hurt again

miman15 · Post #277 » by **miman15** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:16 am

Teko wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:I don't care that his team is 0-2. Two games into the season, Anthony Davis currently holds the crown for best or second best player in the world along with, ahead, or behind Kawhi depending on where you personally stand.

Fixed for you.

Yeah, Davis and Kawhi might look like the 2 best players so far. But like in the past several seasons, Lebron will restore order in the middle season and in the playoffs... He's still the best player on the planet when it matters the most.

Spens1 · Post #278 » by **Spens1** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:17 am

yup AD just ask for a trade now, or at least get Demps and get Gentry out of there now, i love gentry but no just no, get in a coach who can actually coach that situation.

Chuck Everett · Post #279 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:17 am

Hornets with two road wins to start the year. This team seems to be building on the momentum of last year.

inquisitive · Post #280 » by **inquisitive** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:17 am

so when is AD going to be a free agent?

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