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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#241 » by Barkley_34 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:50 pm

Damkac wrote:I wish Suns just trade Knight for anything and end that chapter. Geting him was mistake but it happens. Needs to move on.
I don't want Okafor. Suns have enought scorers, don't needs more players who are useless when not scoring. Especially for center defense is more important than offense. And Okafor is thug. Do we want another Morris on this team?


I dont care. We need talent. Barkley was a thug and took us to the final. I want the talented suns, good and young. Okafor is 20, Its worth.
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Post#242 » by Bogyo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:28 pm

Barkley_34 wrote:
Damkac wrote:I wish Suns just trade Knight for anything and end that chapter. Geting him was mistake but it happens. Needs to move on.
I don't want Okafor. Suns have enought scorers, don't needs more players who are useless when not scoring. Especially for center defense is more important than offense. And Okafor is thug. Do we want another Morris on this team?


I dont care. We need talent. Barkley was a thug and took us to the final. I want the talented suns, good and young. Okafor is 20, Its worth.


Bingo! If you can get that type of talent you do it. Plus I d rather trade Knight, Tucker + a pick for Okafor than trade Knight for "nothing" (or a crappy non-lottery charlotte pick :roll: as discussed earlier...).
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Post#243 » by Synyster9 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:33 pm

Haven't been around for a while. Just getting caught up on everything that's been posted and here are my thoughts on everything Suns....

If Knight can embrace his role as the 6th man, he can do well. If he's continuing to complain about his role and yadda yadda then he will not do well and that trade will become a huge net loss (more than it already is). If he does well, we could deal him to a contending team this year at the deadline and get a 1st back for him and I'd be fine with that.

I've been of the opinion that Bledsoe has the talent to be good but can't stay healthy or hasn't had the drive to do it. This year however, he has the keys, it is his team. He is stepping into a role where is a leader on this team and I have a feeling Tyson is helping him step into that role. If he can stay healthy and put up 15-20ppg, 7ast, 5-7reb, and less than 5TO a game, he is going to re-establish himself as a solid PG in the league. I don't know if he becomes great, but at this point, we aren't expecting him to become the future of this franchise, that title belongs to Booker.

Len has been disappointing to say the least. I've always had high hopes for Len, but not high expectations. I think if we can sign him for less than (preferably) or right around 10Mil/year for 2-3 years, I say we do it.

Chandler has performed well this year. He's rebounding again, he had I think like 3 alley-oops last night. I think he looks good. If he can keep up that production while being the veteran presence along with Dudley, that contract we signed him to looks good imo.

Every Time I watch Booker play, I love him more and more. He still has some decision making kinks to work out and he needs some more presence late in games if he's going to be taking the final shots, but overall he looks good and McD's best addition imo.

I've always LOVED TJ Warren. My stomach churned when a year or two ago everyone had given up on him and wanted him gone. I'm glad that with PJ out he was given the chance to start and is making the most of it. He can score from anywhere on the floor in just about any way possible. He has a unique set of offensive moves and types of shots that shows him as a pure scorer. If he has the ball, he can find a way to score however creative it is. His 15 foot teardrop type shot is almost impossible to defend.

The rooks just need time. Chriss looks good and Bender just needs to find a small role to fill on this team for the time being while his skills develop. If we just use him strictly as a stretch four that can rebound a bit on defense, he can help this team while his skills are being honed. I do not think that Ulis should be playing more than like 5-10 min a game right now. He has shown flashes of what he can do but he is still learning as well. If him and Booker can develop a tandem like in the MyCareer mode in 2K17 with the Pres and Justice Young(if you've played the game you know what I mean), that's best case scenario. I don't see him as the PG of the future but a good backup PG with some playmaking abilities and energy.

Sorry for the long post but a lot of things I needed to catch up on.

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Post#244 » by letsgosuns » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:45 pm

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25 million dollars a year for a role player. That is insane.
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Post#245 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:47 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
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25 million dollars a year for a role player. That is insane.

Alex Len licking his lips.
SHAZAM!

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Post#246 » by OnceUponADime » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:02 pm

What a time to be 7ft tall...
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Post#247 » by alphagorilla » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:42 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
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25 million dollars a year for a role player. That is insane.

Alex Len licking his lips.



Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m
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Post#248 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:47 pm

alphagorilla wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
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25 million dollars a year for a role player. That is insane.

Alex Len licking his lips.



Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m


What teams legitimately need centers that have cap space and you will anticipate wanting Len? I can't really think of any, and if a Philly center gets moved, that's one less.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#249 » by letsgosuns » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:52 pm

alphagorilla wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
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25 million dollars a year for a role player. That is insane.

Alex Len licking his lips.



Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m


Oh yeah he is better, but he is still a role player. However, paying him superstar money is crazy. He is the typical good defensive center that gets garbage points and I cannot believe he is going to get paid like he is a top ten player in the league.
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Post#250 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:56 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Alex Len licking his lips.



Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m


Oh yeah he is better, but he is still a role player. However, paying him superstar money is crazy. He is the typical good defensive center that gets garbage points and I cannot believe he is going to get paid like he is a top ten player in the league.


A team like OKC, especially at this point cannot afford to possibly lose solid defensive bigs. He is still on a rookie contract maybe MAJOR strides. The FA pool is weak and/or is impossible to sign stars. That being said, it sucks a guy like Sabonis is getting far more minutes on an expected playoff team than our rookies on an expected sub 30 win team.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#251 » by alphagorilla » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:02 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Alex Len licking his lips.



Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m


Oh yeah he is better, but he is still a role player. However, paying him superstar money is crazy. He is the typical good defensive center that gets garbage points and I cannot believe he is going to get paid like he is a top ten player in the league.


I agree 25m for Adams is crazy money, my point is Len shouldn't even think he's in the same league as him they way he's playing
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Post#252 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:05 pm

Synyster9 wrote:@bwgood I got your personal message and tried to reply to you but it said I can't cause i just created my account (which is weird..) but I've been super busy with a lot of things and will hopefully be able to contribute more in the near future.


Glad to have you back posting. When it says "just created account" it is referring to # of posts because you need a certain number before having the ability to PM.
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Post#253 » by letsgosuns » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:12 pm

alphagorilla wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:

Steven Adams is so much better then Alex Len, the way Len has played and shown no progress in his game he does not deserve more than 12m


Oh yeah he is better, but he is still a role player. However, paying him superstar money is crazy. He is the typical good defensive center that gets garbage points and I cannot believe he is going to get paid like he is a top ten player in the league.


I agree 25m for Adams is crazy money, my point is Len shouldn't even think he's in the same league as him they way he's playing


Yeah I would not give Len an extension for even 8 million a year right now. He played better yesterday, but then again, the Warriors might have the worst center situation in basketball, so he should play well against them. If Len keeps on getting destroyed by teams with decent centers, I would only pay him backup money at the most, assuming the Suns even want to keep him.
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Post#254 » by letsgosuns » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:21 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-oladipo-thunder-agree-to-84m-extension-200751727.html

So the Thunder give Oladipo 84 million and Adams will supposedly sign for 100 million. Okay, I guess it is good that they kept their own players, but as far as winning a championship goes, I think that is not going to happen. They should be a perennial 8th seed contender with their current core.

Remember it took Westbrook having a 51 point triple-double just to beat the Suns with Bledsoe and Knight playing terribly. Idk if the Thunder are a playoff team even with Westbrook playing that way. I think they are way overrated.
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Post#255 » by thamadkant » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:21 pm

Len will get offers of 15 million plus.

I dont think Suns should match.

You might aswell add another 3 million or so and go for Noel who suits the Suns style better. I mean... Len is better off on a half court team that will set him up using Xs and Os. Suns need a Deandre Jordan type like Henson or Noel.


Unless Suns change their style... But with the current team.. They are committed with small ball.
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Post#256 » by TeamTragic » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:24 pm

McD is not stupid. Len will not get $25M. If it was up to me he would get nothing. We need to trade him ASAP.
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Post#257 » by theSUNalsoRISES » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:26 pm

wow at that Adams deal...thunder fans have to hate that Harden deal even more now that they are spending more on Adams than Harden...

and with Len it won't be down to what we want to pay him but what we have to. I feel like Len is an investment (like most drafted bigs) and we are too far gone to give up, unless we can trade him for a more promising big (Okafor, Favors or WCS). Len will get paid in the hopes he improves and develops into the big first envisioned when we drafted him not as a finished product similar to Adams now. We all need to brace for Lens contract because as our first in this new CBA its gonna be fn nuts.
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Post#258 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:26 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
Oh yeah he is better, but he is still a role player. However, paying him superstar money is crazy. He is the typical good defensive center that gets garbage points and I cannot believe he is going to get paid like he is a top ten player in the league.


I agree 25m for Adams is crazy money, my point is Len shouldn't even think he's in the same league as him they way he's playing


Yeah I would not give Len an extension for even 8 million a year right now. He played better yesterday, but then again, the Warriors might have the worst center situation in basketball, so he should play well against them. If Len keeps on getting destroyed by teams with decent centers, I would only pay him backup money at the most, assuming the Suns even want to keep him.


I don't like Len's play right now but what would you be saving the money for? We are WELL under the cap. We will have two possible max contracts next summer and the following summer but Bledsoe expires that second summer and hopefully Knight is long gone by then.

Look at some of the centers getting major money. Even if we could get Noel we'd have to give up too major of assets to get him and I don't want to do that.
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Post#259 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:29 pm

1UPZ wrote:Len will get offers of 15 million plus.

I dont think Suns should match.

You might aswell add another 3 million or so and go for Noel who suits the Suns style better. I mean... Len is better off on a half court team that will set him up using Xs and Os. Suns need a Deandre Jordan type like Henson or Noel.


Unless Suns change their style... But with the current team.. They are committed with small ball.


GoranTragic wrote:McD is not stupid. Len will not get $25M. If it was up to me he would get nothing. We need to trade him ASAP.


I'm not sure what teams you think are calling about Len or waiting to hand him out a big contract. Which teams are you thinking?
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Post#260 » by letsgosuns » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:34 pm

I would trade Knight for Noel right now. The report today on NBA.com said that the 76ers want to trade him and are not interested in giving him an extension. I think he is out for a few more weeks. Get Noel, keep Len, trade Chandler in the next month or so. Let Noel and Len play center the rest of the year and re-sign whichever you want or even keep both of them. I like Chandler, but at 34 years old, he does not fit the team. With the psychotic contracts being given out for big men, I am sure a contender would trade something good for Chandler. He is still productive.

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