Back again: Getting OKC a wing

[Mystical Apples]

Covington and McConnell for Payne and ....

This package for Payne + filler is excellent value for OKC. Really like McConnell's price for the minutes requirement and flexible options with Oladipo.

[Pillendreher]

Knight and Tucker for Kanter and Payne

Can we pull a third team in on this? Trying to figure out who. Knight is useful, but we're set at 2-guard. We need more competent swings, and I don't think Tucker will get the job done any more.

Denver with Gallo?

[jayjaysee]

I think it should be Knight and Dudley not Tucker. Knight and Tucker for Kanter is closer than with Payne.

But I'd rather see it Tyson and Dudley without Payne, with a third team.

[basketballwacko2]

Well after today the future looks more focused. OKC's likely out of free agency next year, so at this point trade seems the likely way to get a decent SF. Currently the depth is (early on so its still changing):

Westbrook/Payne/Christon
Oladipo/Morrow/Abrines
Roberson/Singler/Huestis
Sabonis/Ilyasova/Collison
Adams/Kanter/Lauvergne

The goal is to upgrade the SF, with the following on the table:
Kanter
Lauvergne
Ilyasova
Morrow
Huestis

and possibly Payne, but only if there's a truly good upgrade and a backup PG as well in return. Ideal targets would be guys like Chandler, Aminu, Matthews. Others in mind would be Tucker or Gay. Not sure of any others. Any interest/other ideas?

How about this:

Thunder receives CJ Miles and Rakeem Christmas for Andre Roberson and Anthony Morrow plus some future draft considerations.

Miles gives the Thunder a 3pt gunner big enough to play SF or SG if needed and can even play some PF, Christmas is a project kinda tearing up the D'League last season could be good down the road. The Pacers would love to have a big SG like Roberson to play some Defense. Monta moves to the 2nd unit and Morrow would add some shooting to the 2nd unit. I hate trading off CJ Miles so I'd like to get something more maybe a 2nd in 2019?

[bondom34]

Well after today the future looks more focused. OKC's likely out of free agency next year, so at this point trade seems the likely way to get a decent SF. Currently the depth is (early on so its still changing):

Westbrook/Payne/Christon
Oladipo/Morrow/Abrines
Roberson/Singler/Huestis
Sabonis/Ilyasova/Collison
Adams/Kanter/Lauvergne

The goal is to upgrade the SF, with the following on the table:
Kanter
Lauvergne
Ilyasova
Morrow
Huestis

and possibly Payne, but only if there's a truly good upgrade and a backup PG as well in return. Ideal targets would be guys like Chandler, Aminu, Matthews. Others in mind would be Tucker or Gay. Not sure of any others. Any interest/other ideas?

How about this:

Thunder receives CJ Miles and Rakeem Christmas for Andre Roberson and Anthony Morrow plus some future draft considerations.

Miles gives the Thunder a 3pt gunner big enough to play SF or SG if needed and can even play some PF, Christmas is a project kinda tearing up the D'League last season could be good down the road. The Pacers would love to have a big SG like Roberson to play some Defense. Monta moves to the 2nd unit and Morrow would add some shooting to the 2nd unit. I hate trading off CJ Miles so I'd like to get something more maybe a 2nd in 2019?

I'd keep Roberson over Miles. Adding Morrow for Christmas just makes it worse.

[nowyouknow]

I think they might move on from the Jokic/Nurkic pairing at some point, since early returns on Jurkic haven't been promising. Too many good players and not enough minutes to go around. But any trade would likely have to be a 3-way.

yeah I don't think Nurkic/Jokic works as an on-court pairing well enough either. And assuming they value Jokic more, then I'd love to see them deal Nurkic rather than make him a lower minute backup. Feels like a waste of value.

Which makes me really want to re-visit my old Nurkic/Gallo to the Celtics idea with Jaylen Brown being part of the value going to the Nuggets because a young SF is something they lack and he would appear to be a good complement to Harris/Murray on the wing. And if a SF of the future comes in and Gallo goes out, then Chandler would be expendable for a team definitely playing for next year. Would Denver take a Ilyasova plus incentive deal for Chandler in a scenario like this? To go into next season with all those talented kids/picks and gobs of cap space? Try and package some of it for a star and then lure a guy or two to come there?

Meh too convoluted, but I've certainly played around with those ideas a few times.

Yeah, I don't think there is a chance that Denver is acquiring Jaylen Brown for an expiring Gallo and an average-good center prospect like Nurkic.

I'm sure Ainge would be more than happy to work something out for that pair involving Olynyk, Yabusele and the 2018 Brooklyn pick.

But Brown is quickly making a case for being a potential franchise type player. At least he's showing the tools and personality to become that type of player. Doubtful the Celtics would look to pass on that without getting a true superstar or potential franchise player in return.

Gallo would be perfect in OKC. Maybe a three way deal where Kanter and Payne go someplace and then Denver gets a young wing.

[Andre Roberstan]

Well after today the future looks more focused. OKC's likely out of free agency next year, so at this point trade seems the likely way to get a decent SF. Currently the depth is (early on so its still changing):

Westbrook/Payne/Christon
Oladipo/Morrow/Abrines
Roberson/Singler/Huestis
Sabonis/Ilyasova/Collison
Adams/Kanter/Lauvergne

The goal is to upgrade the SF, with the following on the table:
Kanter
Lauvergne
Ilyasova
Morrow
Huestis

and possibly Payne, but only if there's a truly good upgrade and a backup PG as well in return. Ideal targets would be guys like Chandler, Aminu, Matthews. Others in mind would be Tucker or Gay. Not sure of any others. Any interest/other ideas?

How about this:

Thunder receives CJ Miles and Rakeem Christmas for Andre Roberson and Anthony Morrow plus some future draft considerations.

Miles gives the Thunder a 3pt gunner big enough to play SF or SG if needed and can even play some PF, Christmas is a project kinda tearing up the D'League last season could be good down the road. The Pacers would love to have a big SG like Roberson to play some Defense. Monta moves to the 2nd unit and Morrow would add some shooting to the 2nd unit. I hate trading off CJ Miles so I'd like to get something more maybe a 2nd in 2019?

MRW



I don't mind Miles, but Miles and Christmas for Roberson and Morrow is bad value.

[Mystical Apples]

That would be spectacular for the Thunder.

I do this tomorrow and don't look back.

What if they changed Aminu for Harkless ?

I like Harkless' 3/4 ability for OKC too. If he shot better OKC wouldn't be able to acquire him. But it's fair $$ for the current skill/age with a chance to seriously outperform his contract with a little development.

[Andre Roberstan]

I do this tomorrow and don't look back.

What if they changed Aminu for Harkless ?

I like Harkless' 3/4 ability for OKC too. If he shot better OKC wouldn't be able to acquire him. But it's fair $$ for the current skill/age with a chance to seriously outperform his contract with a little development.

That's why I posted the BBRef comparison of him and Robes. Outside of Harkless being slightly better from outside (still bad) and probably a marginally more natural scorer, they're the same person.

[BadWolf]

Abrines
Kanter
2 seconds

for

Allen Crabbe

Makes too much sense for both sides.

Kanter for Crabbe might make sense
Throw one of your bigs in for tht whole package, Ed Davis maybe

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, I don't think there is a chance that Denver is acquiring Jaylen Brown for an expiring Gallo and an average-good center prospect like Nurkic.

I would have Denver getting more than just Brown in that deal btw. I know you are personally really high on Brown and that's great, but I don't believe his value league-wide is quite that high at this point.

I don't know how to value that 2018 Nets pick. So hard to say if the Nuggets would prefer it to Brown. I'm guessing not?

[Andre Roberstan]

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[bwgood77]

Can we pull a third team in on this? Trying to figure out who. Knight is useful, but we're set at 2-guard. We need more competent swings, and I don't think Tucker will get the job done any more.

Mhh. Intriguing. I don't know if I like Knight if I'm being honest. Everytime I see him play, he seems to be such a boneheaded player. He had one decent run with Milwaukee for 50 games and hasn't really been all that great since that 50 game-run.

Knight could/would play more of a 6th man guy who can play a little pg but is more of a sg. I wouldn't mind leaving Payne out of it, and as a matter of fact, was going to but it seemed a little too much. I like Ulis at backup pg a lot. So how about Kanter/Morrow for Knight/Tucker?

Knight is the worst when he has high usage and that's kind of impossible playing with Russ.

[spearsy23]

You guys want Lance Thomas back?

YES

Seconded

[QRich3]

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Wow, they're doubling down on not caring about spacing. Depending on which pick they gave away it might be a good trade, Grant is a nice young defensive player. But boy who's gonna get any defender out of the paint for Westbrook to do his thing there?

[Mystical Apples]

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What if they changed Aminu for Harkless ?

I like Harkless' 3/4 ability for OKC too. If he shot better OKC wouldn't be able to acquire him. But it's fair $$ for the current skill/age with a chance to seriously outperform his contract with a little development.

That's why I posted the BBRef comparison of him and Robes. Outside of Harkless being slightly better from outside (still bad) and probably a marginally more natural scorer, they're the same person.

You were saying about Harkless? OKC is speaking my language though with the 3/4 bridge and potential to develop into significant value.

And IMO this signifies OKC is looking into 2 wings....1 a possible LT answer (Grant) and 1 cheap-ish deep rotation wing for immediate shooting help.

[DocRI]

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LMFAO!!!! Grant for Ersan and a conditional pick!

And the reason I'm laughing is just because I H-A-T-E-D Ersan when he was on my Pistons; if it weren't for Josh Smith, he would've easily been my least-favorite Piston since Charlie Villanueva. I was honestly stunned when the Thunder picked up his option and stayed quiet when most projected him as OKC's starting PF, but I knew that would never last. He's simply not good, an antiquated one-trick-pony of a stretch four who can't even perform that one trick well enough anymore and who is utterly incapable of shooting in rhythm / flow of a team offense (I swear, the man will literally pump fake on a free throw). I figured the Thunder would tire of him and ship him off at the deadline as an expiring, but it only took them THREE GAMES to have seen enough! And P.S., to back up this point — Rotoworld is speculating that the Sixers will cut Ersan.

The conditions on that pick are obviously vital to judging the deal, but so long as they're not substantial the Thunder just basically got a young swing forward for nothing.

[Andre Roberstan]

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I like Harkless' 3/4 ability for OKC too. If he shot better OKC wouldn't be able to acquire him. But it's fair $$ for the current skill/age with a chance to seriously outperform his contract with a little development.

That's why I posted the BBRef comparison of him and Robes. Outside of Harkless being slightly better from outside (still bad) and probably a marginally more natural scorer, they're the same person.

You were saying about Harkless? OKC is speaking my language though with the 3/4 bridge and potential to develop into significant value.

And IMO this signifies OKC is looking into 2 wings....1 a possible LT answer (Grant) and 1 cheap-ish deep rotation wing for immediate shooting help.

Nope. Robes is gone. I will bet all of my money forever.

[FrontPageNews]

And they trade a protected first

[Andre Roberstan]

And they trade a protected first

Top 29. Thankfully.

This has to be a setup move. Just opened 7.1mil of space this year, got a Roberson replacement. Either offering DMo a deal (thanks Smitty) or picking up a larger contract.