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Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST

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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#221 » by bondom34 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:13 am

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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#222 » by Todd3 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:04 am

What happens to Ish when Reggie comes back?

He seems to be getting a pass because it's accepted that this is just temporary, but he's still going to be playing 16-18 mpg, and the way he's playing isn't acceptable even for a backup PG.

38% FG, 9% 3FG, 67% FT with almost a 2:1 FGA to AST ratio. The only thing he does adequately is assists, and for every assist, he jacks 2 bad shots on deplorable efficiency, negating even that as a positive.

Meanwhile Beno is shooting 44% FG, 39% 3FG, 92% FT and his AST/48 is almost the same as Ish (9.5 to 10.3). Meaning there is literally nothing to justify playing Ish over Beno. So will Stan bench him and go with Udrih? Or will the politics of his contract keep him in the rotation even if it costs us games?
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#223 » by Moses ShamMoses » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:14 am

Todd3 wrote:What happens to Ish when Reggie comes back?

He seems to be getting a pass because it's accepted that this is just temporary, but he's still going to be playing 16-18 mpg, and the way he's playing isn't acceptable even for a backup PG.

38% FG, 9% 3FG, 67% FT with almost a 2:1 FGA to AST ratio. The only thing he does adequately is assists, and for every assist, he jacks 2 bad shots on deplorable efficiency, negating even that as a positive.

Meanwhile Beno is shooting 44% FG, 39% 3FG, 92% FT and his AST/48 is almost the same as Ish (9.5 to 10.3). Meaning there is literally nothing to justify playing Ish over Beno. So will Stan bench him and go with Udrih? Or will the politics of his contract keep him in the rotation even if it costs us games?


Ish will at least get first crack at leading the 2nd unit. One thing you need to keep in mind is Ish is playing against NBA first units where Beno is playing against nba bench units, so not really apples to apples here. Stan also brought in Ish to push the pace off the bench so this may be where he thrives. His shooting is certainly disappointing though...same can be said for Leuer to a lesser degree. Whats up with shooters coming to Detroit and all of a sudden can't hit anything? Is it the system?
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#224 » by JohnReese » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:39 am

Ish Smith got a pace that fits far better with a second unit than with the lineup. He is gonna be allowed to turn the games crazy, something that right now is trying not to do it.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#225 » by Todd3 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:18 pm

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Todd3 wrote:What happens to Ish when Reggie comes back?

He seems to be getting a pass because it's accepted that this is just temporary, but he's still going to be playing 16-18 mpg, and the way he's playing isn't acceptable even for a backup PG.

38% FG, 9% 3FG, 67% FT with almost a 2:1 FGA to AST ratio. The only thing he does adequately is assists, and for every assist, he jacks 2 bad shots on deplorable efficiency, negating even that as a positive.

Meanwhile Beno is shooting 44% FG, 39% 3FG, 92% FT and his AST/48 is almost the same as Ish (9.5 to 10.3). Meaning there is literally nothing to justify playing Ish over Beno. So will Stan bench him and go with Udrih? Or will the politics of his contract keep him in the rotation even if it costs us games?


Ish will at least get first crack at leading the 2nd unit. One thing you need to keep in mind is Ish is playing against NBA first units where Beno is playing against nba bench units, so not really apples to apples here. Stan also brought in Ish to push the pace off the bench so this may be where he thrives. His shooting is certainly disappointing though...same can be said for Leuer to a lesser degree. Whats up with shooters coming to Detroit and all of a sudden can't hit anything? Is it the system?


While Ish is playing vs better competition, he's performing on par with his career numbers (of which is mostly vs bench players), so I'm not sure we should expect much more than this regardless of competition.

And he's actually going to be counted on to create even more playing with the 2nd unit with less talent around him.

Beno is already proving that he can carry that unit. There isn't much reason to believe Ish can do it better (or even as good), and I just don't want Stan to waste games trying to justify his signing if we have a better option. We're already behind w/o Reggie. I don't think we can afford another 10 game experiment in the midst of a playoff run ( ie Monroe/Reggie, Stanley/Bullock) if we want to get HCA.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#226 » by Todd3 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:20 pm

JohnReese wrote:Ish Smith got a pace that fits far better with a second unit than with the lineup. He is gonna be allowed to turn the games crazy, something that right now is trying not to do it.


idk I'd say he's playing pretty crazy right now :lol:
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#227 » by Pharaoh » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:09 pm

Ish will get the back up PG role and will then be able to play his natural game.

He needs to run and push the pace - not wise when we've got Dre, Mook & Harris in the starting line up

If anything our bench 5 is far more equipped to play with Ish:

Baynes cleans the glass

Stanimal gets out and runs

Jon & Bull can spot up from 3

Ish can push it

In the halfcourt we can have SJ & Ish handle the ball running PnRs with Baynes while Bullock & Jon Boy space the floor...

If the help comes off Ish or SJ then they need to attack the D and make the right pass

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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#228 » by ChuckVanBrown » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:15 pm

Great game last night.

Pistons are the only team in the NBA with an undefeated home record. This team needs to learn how to take that defensive effort on the road, and then they'll be in really good shape.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#229 » by DBC10 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:11 pm

Todd3 wrote:What happens to Ish when Reggie comes back?

He seems to be getting a pass because it's accepted that this is just temporary, but he's still going to be playing 16-18 mpg, and the way he's playing isn't acceptable even for a backup PG.

38% FG, 9% 3FG, 67% FT with almost a 2:1 FGA to AST ratio. The only thing he does adequately is assists, and for every assist, he jacks 2 bad shots on deplorable efficiency, negating even that as a positive.

Meanwhile Beno is shooting 44% FG, 39% 3FG, 92% FT and his AST/48 is almost the same as Ish (9.5 to 10.3). Meaning there is literally nothing to justify playing Ish over Beno. So will Stan bench him and go with Udrih? Or will the politics of his contract keep him in the rotation even if it costs us games?


Well, the bench mob is more constructed toward Ish's favor. Guys like SJ, Bullock (if he plays), Leuer, and Baynes are smart and more system oriented players, while our starters are more akin to creating something (looking at primarily on Morris) which sometimes fail and the onus is on Ish to make something happen.

Plus, I remember Ish playing a lot better once he was relegated toward a more staggered/bench role in favor of more younger players taking his minutes.

But I do agree, Beno is a proven vet and should start seeing more minutes.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#230 » by Todd3 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:15 pm

KCP/Dre/Harris/Morris are all better transition players than SJ/Baynes/Leuer though. So if he's not succeeding with them, I'm not sure how putting less talent around him in that department will make him better.

You have to get stops to run too, and Ish's defense is still going to be bad regardless.
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Post#231 » by Pharaoh » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:59 am

Todd3 wrote:KCP/Dre/Harris/Morris are all better transition players than SJ/Baynes/Leuer though. So if he's not succeeding with them, I'm not sure how putting less talent around him in that department will make him better.

You have to get stops to run too, and Ish's defense is still going to be bad regardless.

He's not succeeding with them because we're not really pushing the pace dude

Where do we rank in pace vs the League?

And it's not about putting less talented players around him and expecting better results - it's allowing him to actually play his natural game

And he'd be going up against mostly bench players as opposed to starters

You can't argue he sucks as a starter and then claim his numbers show he'd suck as a benchie when the numbers you're using came against starters!

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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#232 » by BIG BEN'S FRO » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:41 pm

Does anyone have a video link to Boban's block on Oladipo? I couldn't see the game but heard it looked like a video game.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#233 » by El Chivo » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:44 pm

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:Does anyone have a video link to Boban's block on Oladipo? I couldn't see the game but heard it looked like a video game.




maybe they were talkin' about Boban's block on Adams.
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Re: Game 11: Pistons (5-5) vs. Thunder (6-4) - 7:30 PM EST 

Post#234 » by BIG BEN'S FRO » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:49 pm

Gracias!!!

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