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2016 Offseason (continued)

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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#621 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Ruzious wrote:And the problem if Beal does rehab his trade value - that will only serve to make Ted and Ernie think they did the right thing by signing him - making him virtually untouchable. We are stuck with Beal unless/until Ted fires Ernie. Ted... Fire Ernie!

Call it the Terd and Ernie Interminable Sweet Spot Player Valuation Phenomenon: the recurring development/acquisition of players who hover near a production line above which they overpay and commit to a player and below which they receive poor play obvious to all, including potential trade partners. When a player below the line improves just enough to trade, they cross the valuation equator, and T 'n' E decide not to trade and recommit to the player.

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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#622 » by WallToWall » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:17 am

....and now, we can call this off season the suck. EG got us nothing, and we lost a 2nd round pick, and paid a lot of money for nothing.
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#623 » by payitforward » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:59 pm

Would I be wrong that in September most people here were saying we'd had a good off-season?

Whiffed on Durant, obviously. But at least came close to getting Horford. And most people thought signing Nicholson was a good move, which I didn't understand in the slightest. Most people thought signing Jason Smith was a good move, which I also didn't understand. And most people thought trading a R2 pick some years out for ex-lottery pick Trey Burke, a move I really hated, was good as well.

I do think a lot of people were ??? on Mahinmi -- a good player, but a lot of money for a backup given our needs.

You could think of the off season as having begun w/ the trade of our R1 pick for Morris, another bad move most people liked.

But, hey, no worries: we're 8-3, right? Oh... wait a minute.
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#624 » by AFM » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:05 pm

Go back and look at the thread, I don't think a single poster liked the Jason Smith signing.

I think most people here thought we had a bad offseason. "HORRIBLE" seems more fitting now.
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#625 » by WallToWall » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:16 pm

payitforward wrote:Would I be wrong that in September most people here were saying we'd had a good off-season?

Whiffed on Durant, obviously. But at least came close to getting Horford. And most people thought signing Nicholson was a good move, which I didn't understand in the slightest. Most people thought signing Jason Smith was a good move, which I also didn't understand. And most people thought trading a R2 pick some years out for ex-lottery pick Trey Burke, a move I really hated, was good as well.

I do think a lot of people were ??? on Mahinmi -- a good player, but a lot of money for a backup given our needs.

You could think of the off season as having begun w/ the trade of our R1 pick for Morris, another bad move most people liked.

But, hey, no worries: we're 8-3, right? Oh... wait a minute.


Reading back through the offseason thread, I think most people either had a "wait and see" or a "what the $*^@%" attitude.
Speaking for myself, I wanted this group to get enough burn to see all these moves amounted to anything, although I was not optimistic. I am still not optimistic about the future of this team. I think we are wasting away prime years for Wall. We have not put a team together that can take advantage of the strengths he brings. This past offseason, we overpaid for players, lost a pick, and made it even more difficult for us to make moves to improve.
Morris was an ok move, but I think the cost was high.

If there was any time that we needed a fresh new outlook, it is now. It begins with the GM. We need an identity...are we a half court team, or a 3 point shooting team, or a running team, or ??. We have a bunch of players that dont really mesh right now. Time to blow it up.
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#626 » by tontoz » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:52 am

Jason Smith's current ORTG is 68.

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Let's just pray he is included as trade filler at some point.
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#627 » by tontoz » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:40 pm

Among 4s Morris ranks 51st in TS and 49th in rebound rate. :nonono:
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Re: 2016 Offseason (continued) 

Post#628 » by FAH1223 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:36 am

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