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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#421 » by No-Man » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:01 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Kaleb Swanigan lost a lot of weight. He must have pushed himself this offseason. I really think he's going to be a steal wherever he goes. You can just tell he loves basketball by the way he plays. If he can push himself to get his body right, he can push his skills to higher and higher levels. I'm a fan.

He was already thin and moving really well last season, he has looked in shape for a while now.
He's the type of tweener I like, not gonna get bullied in the post by bigger guy because of that natural body strength he has, can move his feet and switch on smaller dudes, rebounds like crazy, not explosive enough to be a rim protector but you can live with him at the 5 for some stretches, and the guy will murder any small ball PF on him in terms of rebounding or scoring down low, can shoot also.
Robert Carter Jr. was more advanced offensively, while been older, and went undrafted, so you never know, but I do agree that Caleb looks good.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#422 » by BillyKingGM » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:49 pm

Draft Express still has Harteinstein at 24, so I think he can count as a sleeper if I say he goes top 8 :)
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Post#423 » by No-Man » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:27 pm

BillyKingGM wrote:Draft Express still has Harteinstein at 24, so I think he can count as a sleeper if I say he goes top 8 :)

How in the world does he go top8? like sure he is athletic on ball, can shoot, and has a decent ball handling ability for his size, but his awareness and effort are terrible and he has 0 positional versatility, I like him as a 1st rounder based on talend and stashability, but likely more in the 20s.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#424 » by Cammo101 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:45 pm

Kolkmania wrote:I'm expecting Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk to have a breakout season. With all the talk about Josh Jackson and the attention he's going to attract in the court he's going to get plenty catch and shoot opportunities (if he gets enough minutes of course). Don't forget that he's a junior who's still younger(!!) than Josh Jackson. I think he could rise into the lottery.


I agree on Mykhailiuk. He hasn't been able to show his full skillset yet at Kansas, but I expect a big step forward this year. And he's off to a solid start after playing well against Indiana.
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Post#425 » by jmnvcavs » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:20 pm

Look out for Cam Oliver to potentially sneak into the lotto he's listed at 6'8 again this year, but he looks bigger. A+ athlete, reliable jumper, rebounds, and has improved his ball handling in the off season. Has stretches of good defense, but his issue is he is always in foul trouble.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#426 » by doordoor123 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:34 am

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BillyKingGM wrote:Draft Express still has Harteinstein at 24, so I think he can count as a sleeper if I say he goes top 8 :)

How in the world does he go top8? like sure he is athletic on ball, can shoot, and has a decent ball handling ability for his size, but his awareness and effort are terrible and he has 0 positional versatility, I like him as a 1st rounder based on talend and stashability, but likely more in the 20s.


Awareness and effort this early on is a bit ridiculous to talk about because it's his first year and he doesn't know his teammates long enough for you to dictate his comfort level. It also takes bigs longer to figure it out, especially if they don't know where to stand on defense. I remember Wiggins this time of year and everyone thought he was a bust and everyone thought he didn't have the the feel and awareness. Just give him some time to figure it out.
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Post#427 » by Notanoob » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:17 am

I haven't heard much of Jeremy Morgan from Northern Iowa but I think that he could be a sleeper. He played really active defense at SG, picking up tons of steals and blocks, and shot 40% from three. The top two scorers at UNI graduated leaving him with more responsibilities on offense this year. If he manages to get his name out there with a good year as the team's lead guard and best defender I could see him get drafted.
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Post#428 » by kennydorglas » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:39 pm

My sleeper pick is Mikal Bridges.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#429 » by NormanBU » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:18 pm

So amazed that people say Hartenstein shows no effort. I've seeen him as a 14-year-old lanky kid enter the gym in Germany. He practiced (and already does) so hard that they had to close the gym after he was 6, 7 hours per day doing nothing else, he didn't even want to have one day in the week off. His family is living basketball, his father was (and is) probably the most successful youth coach in the last years in Germany (6-9 Flo Hartenstein, played college ball in Oregon). His mother is the cheerleading coach there. 2 years ago he was still so skinny and now he is up to 250 pounds (listed by Zalgiris). When you standing near him you realize that he's really big. For those who think he doesn't show any effort and has no awarness just look at the last game in the Lithuanian League where he played. He was great defensively. Even Zalgiris coach recently said in an interview that he was impressed by Hartenstein defensively and how he played hard in the last minutes. 15.5 rebounds per 40 at the U18's and people tell he has no awarness and effort (he was one year younger than the competition). That's just so superficial based on what he has done in the past. And just in case you didn't know he played the 5 at the U18's at times with Leon Kratzer sitting on the bench. Why can't he? 7-foot, 7-3 wingspan, athletic and a monster rebounder. In addition, I'm really surprised no one talks about his playmaking which was and is really his best most unique skill right now. For sure, there are a lot of things to work on but always put things into perspective and stop overreacting due to some bad plays on the floor. Mostly a quiet reader but had to post it here because I've seen him so often and don't think it's true what some people tell about him.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#430 » by treefi » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:20 pm

1) PF - Caleb Swanigan (6'9", 245, 7'3.5" wingspan) is a couple months younger than Josh Jackson and putting up:
20.7ppg, 13.0rpg, 4.3apg on 58.8% shooting through 3 games for Purdue.

2) PF - Dedric Lawson (6'8" 235, 7'2.5" wingspan) is a few months younger than Caleb Swanigan and putting up:
21.0ppg, 13.0rpg, 3.7apg, 1.7spg, 1.3bpg on 47.1% shooting through 3 games for Memphis.

3) PF - TJ Leaf (6'10" 220, 6'11" wingspan) is a month younger than Josh Jackson and putting up:
20.0ppg, 10.3rpg, 3.0apg, 0.7spg, 1.7bpg on 75.0% shooting through 3 games for UCLA... Though I suspect his efficiency is due to fellow Freshman PG - Lonzo Ball, who will definitely be taken in the lottery (top 5 if he keeps shooting like this) of the 2017 draft.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#431 » by No-Man » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:49 pm

treefi wrote:1) PF - Caleb Swanigan (6'9", 245, 7'3.5" wingspan) is a couple months younger than Josh Jackson and putting up:
20.7ppg, 13.0rpg, 4.3apg on 58.8% shooting through 3 games for Purdue.

2) PF - Dedric Lawson (6'8" 235, 7'2.5" wingspan) is a few months younger than Caleb Swanigan and putting up:
21.0ppg, 13.0rpg, 3.7apg, 1.7spg, 1.3bpg on 47.1% shooting through 3 games for Memphis.


Check the 1st page of this post, those guys were sleepers last year at this point, not anymore.
Leaf is nice and all but he is not an NBA athlete, plus short for his height, gonna be an uphill battle for him to make it and he's a multiyear player 100%.
Typical guy that plays Euroleague, plus he is from Israel, gonna get more $$ playing for Maccabi than in the league-dleague.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#432 » by 12footrim » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:09 pm

Andre Washington almost 7-2, 235lb pretty athletic big man transfer from Wake Forest to ECU, someone to keep an eye on.

Never played much before now but he has one of the highest block rates in NCAA history in the minutes he has played. 67 blocks in a little under 500 career minutes. That's a pretty elite skill to go along with elite length.

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Post#433 » by No-Man » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:05 pm

My guys to follow in terms of sleepers so far, mixed box;

Gary Clark, a jumpshot away of been a really nice do-it all 4, his presence is everywhere for Cincy
Charles Cooke, quick, active hands, can really shoot+7 feet wingspan
KJ Lawson, Dedric's brother, looks much more confident on his shooting so far, has always been a better athlete than his younger brother, long, bouncy.
Rodney Bullock, lacks feel but can move and catch fire from 3, feels like a natural shooter but the numbers have never been strong, they are so far.
Davon Reed, another 3&D prototype wing, defensively has everything you want, not many mistakes.
Vince Edwards, super disciplined, can do a bit of everything offensively, not a scorer but a solid role player at the combo-F, reminds me of a better passing Darius Miller
Matt Jones, I like Matt Jones, he is not as quick as Sulaimon but clearly smarter, can play some on-ball also, really like his all around D.
Amile Jefferson, another guy I am a fan off, outstanding IQ and will go to war for any ball, can't shoot it but that's workable, he's old and thin, but gonna be better than McAdoo and he's in the league.
Robert Johnson, similar to Matt Jones but a tad smaller, can be more of a playmaker, gotta say that I think he comes back to IU.
Juwan Morgan, def coming back but has shown some niftiness, liked his passing skills too, intrigued.
DJ Wilson, haven't seen more than highlights but trusting reanimator here.
Manu Lecomte, damn is Baylor fan, Lecomte biggest reason so far, he is tiny but has similar skills to Shane Larkin, probably would make more money in Europe right away, he's from Belgium, if the passing keeps up watch out, always been a superb shooter.
Jo Lual-Acuil Jr., where the heck did this guy come from? my gosh is he fun, he's everywhere, reminds of DDiop first year as a Mav, not as bulky in terms of build, but he shoots 3s.
Semi Ojeleye, old ex-dukie playing for SMU, hitting shots now, always has been a tank in terms of his body type, he's a PF clearly at the next level, gotta keep evaluating because the shooting is important in his case.
Taurean Thompson, playmaking PF in the mold of the THarris/MMorris/JMartin, smooth, offensively gifted, has moves, plays under control, doubt he declares, but the guy is damn talented.
Frank Howard, another Cuse guy, thought he was no more than a defensive specialist but he has shown more, his size for the position is great and if he can shoot, at least that's something.
Justin Jackson-Maryland, similarly to Ojeleye all bets are off if he hits his jumpers, another smallball 4, built like a tank, explosive, old for his class so he might make the jump.
London Perrantes, I think he can be more than what he is for UV, never gonna be a supercreative passer, he is steady, but good shooter and has some more creativity in the PnR than what he has shown at UV.
Wenyen Gabriel, didnt know much about him, he isnt a combo-f, barely a big, more C than SF in any case, can shoot it some, has shown good feel, not advanced passes, but extra-pass, keep the ball moving stuff, and plays hard, there is a role for him.
Dazon Ingram, liked him last year already until the injury, in the mold of the combination Guards that can make it without needing too much ball and bring extra length for the position,super young.
PJ Dozier, similar to Ingram in that sense.
Matisse Thybulle, Fultz's sidekick, funky athlete with length and shooting ability, kind of thin and not much of a creator.
Chris Boucher, if he's gonna shoot 3s like this he has legit unicorn potential.
Tyler Hall, lights out shooter and only a sophmore, has some size for playing the 1 eventually, superyoung also, just turned 19 kind of.
Jessie Govan, talked about him last year, has shown some on the move ability, can absorbe contact and finish with his touch, sweet jumper, not much of a profile defensively, but as a 2nd round type big not that much of a deal.
Eric Paschall, Nova back-up frontcourt guy, similar to Jenkins but bigger and with more upside do to athleticism and handles.
Bryant Crawford, turnovers are down so far, assists are up and his physical profile is as enticing.
Ted Kapita, got to watch him for 1st time ever the other day, was trying to check on Dennis and he jumps, literally, out of the screen, he's more or less what people want Bam Adebayo to be, freaking elite athlete for his size and bulk.
Eric Vila, nobody is gonna talk about him and with reason so far, but I know him from Spain, A&M frosh, up an inch and around 6'11 now, rail thin but mobile and athletic, can shoot, can switch and defend any position 2-4, good feel for the game, needs to tough up and add mass, but better prospect at the same age than Juancho.
Robert Williams, another A&M guy that I've never seen and got to watch trying to catch up on EVila, he tried two 3s that surprised me, killed the boards, productive player.
Zach Collins&Killian Tillie, had Gonzaga 1st due to their depth, these guys have been even better than expected, just damn advanced offensively for their age, Collins is huge and turned 19 yesterday basically, Tillie is more athletic, both really mobile and can pass, the Zags are loaded.

Too early to put some other names that have barely played 1-2 games, others like Frankie Hughes have no shot this year due to the volume of Guards, and as frosh they are gonna still be too inconsistent, always liked Reid Travis who has started on fire, but he doesnt shot and is not really a guy that produces blocks-steals while been an undersized big.
Has anybody seen Marcus LoVett from the Johnnies?
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#434 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:37 pm

I'm going to have to go with Fischella on this one with Semi Ojeleye. Legit 6'8 that is built like a freaking tank, it's almost scary how buff this dude is. He can also jump out of the freaking gym, legit 40" vertical. I also think his jumper is real, shot 38% from 3 as a senior in high school and was always known to be a good shooter. He couldn't get minutes at Duke because he didn't want to be a front court player. He'd always slide out to the perimeter and it was extremely frustrating and you could always see K yelling at him to go battle inside. When K is telling you that you know you're really focusing too much out on the perimeter haha. But so far this year he seems to be willing to battle inside and doing a good job on the boards. He's definitely a small stretch 4 in the NBA, but with his strength, athleticism and shooting, he's going to be a steal as a mid 2nd rounder probably.
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Post#435 » by reanimator » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:29 am

Definitely tracking Charles Cooke, PJ Dozier, Chris Boucher and Bryant Crawford. I'd add in Jacob Evans. Speaking of Semi, DJ Wilson put the clamps on him but he definitely has a nice blend of strength and skill. Very familiar with Frankie Hughes since he hails from B1G country and was a UM recruit...thought he had Tim Hardaway Jr type potential out of HS. Cool to see him off to a good start in college.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#436 » by No-Man » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:33 pm

Holy hell Jawun Evans, the guy is damn amazing, dont even know how many possesions did he had, almost 40 I'd say, but superefficient, no turnovers for the usage he has, and he can do it all, really high on him
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Post#437 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:35 pm

Fischella wrote:Zach Collins&Killian Tillie, had Gonzaga 1st due to their depth, these guys have been even better than expected, just damn advanced offensively for their age, Collins is huge and turned 19 yesterday basically, Tillie is more athletic, both really mobile and can pass, the Zags are loaded.

Zags always seem to have some unusual interesting prospects. Those 2 really hit the boards. Collins is the one of them that I really want to follow, but Tillie is hard to not watch - he's so bouncy around the basket. It is impressive the way they both look to pass.

I like Monte Morris - the PG from Iowa State - a genuine senior prospect. Still just 21 - he's a young senior. Has gotten off to a great start - though just against 3 cupcakes. He's not known as an explosive scorer, but maybe that was just because he was asked to be more of a facilitator. Now's his chance. But your guy Jawun Evans is probably a better choice as a pure sleeper.

Someone to follow on Maryland - Justin Jackson - almost a clone of Justin Anderson - the former UVA 1st rounder - same size, great length, also has 3 point range.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#438 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:11 pm

Man when you watch tape, and you are trying to check another guy, in this case Shake Milton, you can't not notice how Ojeleye jumps out, he is just miles ahead of anybody at this level of play athletically, and keeps hitting the 3s, how in hell is he so jacked up? seriously looks like a linebacker out there, not fair.
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Post#439 » by doordoor123 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:14 pm

Joel Berry II on UNC is good. Quick, but not athletically gifted and has a wonky-looking shot, but he has a high IQ and his shots go in.

The more and more I watch Nigel Hayes, the more I think Nigel Hayes won't make it in the NBA. I just think he's naturally inconsistent at everything.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#440 » by No-Man » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:05 pm

Havent seen them this year but Jalen Adams and Jaylen Fisher numbers are good

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