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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#941 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:00 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:When do you guys think we are going to start trading players? I think we need to start planning right now. No need to waste this season on playing Knight/Tucker/Len unless they are getting traded.

I know that Chriss has struggled however I appreciate his energy. Bender/Ulis need to get into the rotation. I don't see this team keeping Bledsoe/Chandler at this rate. Can we get them traded to a contender?


McD seems to hold out as long as possible to try and get max value. Personally I think the only players the may be traded are Knight and Tucker. I'm not saying that is right, to only consider them, but I think those moves would clear up a ton of issues and it would be easier to assess if anyone else needed to be traded.


Does anyone else feel deja vu? This is exactly what we did last season and only moved Kieff. How much more time does Sarver give McD before the hammer comes down?


Of course, we all do. We got good value for Kieff but it destroyed the season. Not something you can do every year or players will not want to play here. I don't think there is any ill will with players, but I think if Knight and Tucker are traded things will clear up quite a bit.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#942 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:46 am

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DRK wrote:Walton is getting all the players to buy in to a great offensive system. I think hes doing a fantastic job there. Their offence and ours is like watching a comparison between a pickup game and a real basketball team with structure.

I dont know whether its the players, or the coaching. If Walton can get players like Nick Young and Lou Williams to play within a system, then really... theres no excuse for Watson not being able to instill any sort of offence with Bledsoe and Knight.
I wish we had Walton as our coach right now.


I like McD but he may have now missed it twice when it comes to coaching. Hornacek over Budenholzer/Kerr and now Watson over Walton.

Lakers don't do yoga, they actually try and run sets in practice so they know what to do in games.


I'm not a fan of Watson thus far, but he is young, and seems to identify with the players well. His rotations disgust me, but I'm waiting to see what happens if McD forces his hand by dealing some of Watson's man crushes like Tucker and Knight.

That said, we have drafted very well over McD's tenure. Booker and Warren are close to being All-Star level players. Bender and Chriss have boatloads of potential. I don't understand the pessimism some have with them. Bender could be Kirilinko on roids with a better jumper and higher skill level. Chriss's raw athleticism puts no real limit on his upside and he can already shoot the 3 well which is the main issue with most raw, young bigs, and is the thing many NEVER develop. Most youngsters can't defend at an NBA level (Bender is the exception, but for some reason never plays). Chriss has been playing very few years of organized ball. Give him 3 years. His D may improve a ton. TJ sucked at defense as a rookie with more experience and he is far from a liability on that end at this point.

McD isn't the problem. I'm fine with us sucking this year. In fact, the best thing for us is to suck so badly we get a top 3 pick--maybe luck into Markelle Fultz and then see what this team looks like. If you're upset because Minnesota has a better roster, well, they've lucked into 2 monumental, obvious 1st overall picks, and 1 of them they only got because he refused to sign with Lebron's incredibly stupid agent, thus leading to the Kevin Love trade.

We have gotten really good value with the picks we have had and have drafted as well as nearly anybody despite having late lotto picks for most of McD's tenure. What we need more than anything is to draft well. If we still suck in 2 years with 2 more great drafts then make the move for the team builder who can get you a more balanced roster when you have the talent to win. Firing McD now, with the Miami picks staring us down in a couple years, would be an absolute disaster imo. Keep the drafter. Build slowly. Let's just hope that come the trade deadline some of the dead weight gets moved.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#943 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
McD seems to hold out as long as possible to try and get max value. Personally I think the only players the may be traded are Knight and Tucker. I'm not saying that is right, to only consider them, but I think those moves would clear up a ton of issues and it would be easier to assess if anyone else needed to be traded.


Does anyone else feel deja vu? This is exactly what we did last season and only moved Kieff. How much more time does Sarver give McD before the hammer comes down?


Of course, we all do. We got good value for Kieff but it destroyed the season. Not something you can do every year or players will not want to play here. I don't think there is any ill will with players, but I think if Knight and Tucker are traded things will clear up quite a bit.


Sarver in interviews seems okay with a rebuild. I don't think he expected wins this season. If he did, we probably don't draft 2 18 year olds and openly build around a 19 year old. Young teams don't win in the NBA.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#944 » by TeamTragic » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
McD seems to hold out as long as possible to try and get max value. Personally I think the only players the may be traded are Knight and Tucker. I'm not saying that is right, to only consider them, but I think those moves would clear up a ton of issues and it would be easier to assess if anyone else needed to be traded.


Does anyone else feel deja vu? This is exactly what we did last season and only moved Kieff. How much more time does Sarver give McD before the hammer comes down?


Of course, we all do. We got good value for Kieff but it destroyed the season. Not something you can do every year or players will not want to play here. I don't think there is any ill will with players, but I think if Knight and Tucker are traded things will clear up quite a bit.


Knight and Tucker getting moved. When that day comes I will be ecstatic.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#945 » by thamadkant » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:34 am

Start trading veterans for younger players and picks.

Knight for WCS
Bledsoe for Okafor
Chandler for first rounder
Waive Tucker

Draft Multz or Jackson
Let Len go
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Post#946 » by Damkac » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:23 am

What teams could be interested in Bledsoe, Knight and Chandler?
Chandler - Charlotte? Boston? (do they want to play forfrod at C or at PF?) Milwaukee? Orlando? Lakers? Spurs?
Bledsoe - Milwaukee? Orlando? Philly? Spurs?
Knight - Orlando? Philly? Dallas? Sacramento?
Not mentioned teams that have nothing valuable to trade.
Tucker may get 2nd round pick if lucky.
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Post#947 » by asudevil » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:57 am

1UPZ wrote:Start trading veterans for younger players and picks.

Knight for WCS
Bledsoe for Okafor
Chandler for first rounder
Waive Tucker

Draft Multz or Jackson
Let Len go


I'm sorry, but the idea of letting Len just expire and leave makes no sense. Len has averaged 9/9.5/1.5 for November. Yeah, it's not pretty, and he makes mistakes. But he has value.

On the Trade Board someone posted (wolves fan):
Bledsoe/Chandler
for
Rubio/Dieng

I'd be in favor of something like that. Yeah, Rubio cant shoot worth a crap, but with Booker/Warren and guys like Chriss/Bender the last thing we need is scoring PG. Give me playmaking to distribute to the youth and i'm happy.

Suns trade:
Len/Knight
Magic trade:
Vuc/Hez

Two teams each unhappy with a youngster and a player making decent money.

And then:
Suns trade:
Tucker
Bucks trade:
Henson

Bucks get out of one of the terrible big man contracts they signed (again), while the suns get some needed true PF help

Dieng/Vuc/Williams
Chriss/Henson
Warren/Bender/Dudley
Booker/Hez/Jones Jr.
Rubio/Ulis/Barbosa
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#948 » by Djedefre » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:31 am

Why should we do a trade for a PG like Rubio now, when we're almost certainly going to end up in the upper half of the lottery, in a class absolutely stacked with PG's with high potential? Never was i a fan of Bledsoe's style of play, but replacing him with even more flawed guy, while ignoring what i wrote above is plain bad move to me. If we really want a fresh start and if we're ready to move on from Bled, we should look no further from this draft class.
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Post#949 » by Damkac » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:36 am

Yes I too would rather have Fultz, Smith or Ball over Rubio but other than that I like those trades. Maybe Rubio could go to another team?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#950 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:13 pm

What you guys think about this...
Suns get-
Tristan Thompson - 4 year contract roughly 17mil per year
Channing Frye - 2 year contract, 7.5 next season and then expires
2021 1st round pick 2023 1st round pick (no protection)

Cavs get-
Eric Bledsoe
Tyson Chandler

Lebron and mini-Lebron! we do Tyson a solid with this trade too! Cavs do this to try and repeat and hold off the Warriors in the Finals. Tyson Chandler with Kevin Love is a dream front court.
Suns get similar value from that Dragic deal with 2 1st round picks. Also similar to Melo getting traded to the Knicks, and Nets getting D-Will (I think). Should be far enough away that Lebron starts to decline (funny I know).

Don't trade Knight! He has too much value as our tank commander! With a PG heavy draft we probably need to trade Bledsoe before the summer in order to get maximum value.
Think it's too lopsided in our favor?
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Post#951 » by Djedefre » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:23 pm

Damkac wrote:Yes I too would rather have Fultz, Smith or Ball over Rubio but other than that I like those trades

What could Dieng bring us? He hangs between PF and C, and isn't exactly a coach's dream for fitting and making useful. He's practically a poor man's Noel. Vucevic, on the other hand, is one of the worst defending bigs in past few decades. Henson would be interesting addition, but we have a little jam at PF, with 2 very young players needing consistent minutes.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#952 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:41 pm

Qwigglez wrote:What you guys think about this...
Suns get-
Tristan Thompson - 4 year contract roughly 17mil per year
Channing Frye - 2 year contract, 7.5 next season and then expires
2021 1st round pick 2023 1st round pick (no protection)

Cavs get-
Eric Bledsoe
Tyson Chandler

Lebron and mini-Lebron! we do Tyson a solid with this trade too! Cavs do this to try and repeat and hold off the Warriors in the Finals. Tyson Chandler with Kevin Love is a dream front court.
Suns get similar value from that Dragic deal with 2 1st round picks. Also similar to Melo getting traded to the Knicks, and Nets getting D-Will (I think). Should be far enough away that Lebron starts to decline (funny I know).

Don't trade Knight! He has too much value as our tank commander! With a PG heavy draft we probably need to trade Bledsoe before the summer in order to get maximum value.
Think it's too lopsided in our favor?


I'd need a 3rd team to take Thompson. Don't want a 4 year deal that was given just because the guy shares agents with GM Lebron.
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Post#953 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:08 pm

Last player they need on the Cavs is Bledsoe. Sure there is some connection because of agents and stuff, but the last thing they need is a subpar shooter, high usage guy when they have Lebron and Kyrie as adequate ball handlers and better shooters.

What does he add for them?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#954 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:10 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:What you guys think about this...
Suns get-
Tristan Thompson - 4 year contract roughly 17mil per year
Channing Frye - 2 year contract, 7.5 next season and then expires
2021 1st round pick 2023 1st round pick (no protection)

Cavs get-
Eric Bledsoe
Tyson Chandler

Lebron and mini-Lebron! we do Tyson a solid with this trade too! Cavs do this to try and repeat and hold off the Warriors in the Finals. Tyson Chandler with Kevin Love is a dream front court.
Suns get similar value from that Dragic deal with 2 1st round picks. Also similar to Melo getting traded to the Knicks, and Nets getting D-Will (I think). Should be far enough away that Lebron starts to decline (funny I know).

Don't trade Knight! He has too much value as our tank commander! With a PG heavy draft we probably need to trade Bledsoe before the summer in order to get maximum value.
Think it's too lopsided in our favor?


I'd need a 3rd team to take Thompson. Don't want a 4 year deal that was given just because the guy shares agents with GM Lebron.


The Cavs would be foolish to give up Frye. While the trade is "equal" in terms of player value, the floor spacing that Frye give that team is huge.
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Post#955 » by NTB » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:14 pm

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/11/21/94250750/?hootPostID=79d110bf243880adc658996ae4947660

“It’s kind of like the same,” Morris said of the Suns’ and Wizards’ experiences. “Both teams, it’s a freelance of basketball. We just play for the most part. You find your spots. John (Wall) does a great job of getting me the ball here. In Phoenix, I had Bled (Eric Bledsoe) doing a great job. It’s like the same brand of basketball.”


“I had a wonderful time there,” Morris said of Phoenix. “It was a great experience. That’s a place that I might go back and live. It’s a great city. You have your ups and downs anywhere but my five years there were some of the best times in my life.”

Does Marcus feel the same way?

“No, no, no, he’s all the way done,” Morris said. “I was there longer so it’s kind of more set in my heart. He’s completely done in Phoenix.”
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#956 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:17 pm

NTB wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/11/21/94250750/?hootPostID=79d110bf243880adc658996ae4947660

“It’s kind of like the same,” Morris said of the Suns’ and Wizards’ experiences. “Both teams, it’s a freelance of basketball. We just play for the most part. You find your spots. John (Wall) does a great job of getting me the ball here. In Phoenix, I had Bled (Eric Bledsoe) doing a great job. It’s like the same brand of basketball.”


“I had a wonderful time there,” Morris said of Phoenix. “It was a great experience. That’s a place that I might go back and live. It’s a great city. You have your ups and downs anywhere but my five years there were some of the best times in my life.”

Does Marcus feel the same way?

“No, no, no, he’s all the way done,” Morris said. “I was there longer so it’s kind of more set in my heart. He’s completely done in Phoenix.”



Interesting.
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Post#957 » by KLEON » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:36 pm

What is the name of the guy that had links to the Suns' front office and gave us info?
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Post#958 » by Barkley_34 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:51 pm

KLEON wrote:What is the name of the guy that had links to the Suns' front office and gave us info?

Ray Ray?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#959 » by KLEON » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:59 pm

Barkley_34 wrote:
KLEON wrote:What is the name of the guy that had links to the Suns' front office and gave us info?

Ray Ray?

Right, Anybody heard anything from him?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#960 » by Barkley_34 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:08 pm

KLEON wrote:
Barkley_34 wrote:
KLEON wrote:What is the name of the guy that had links to the Suns' front office and gave us info?

Ray Ray?

Right, Anybody heard anything from him?


No, unfortunately

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